RE: 2020 Volkswagen Golf GTI spied at 'Ring
Discussion
The front end is fugly. Allegedly, when the original design was presented to the board, they all assumed it was a Mk7 with an ugly NCAP-compliant bonnet. Then, the CEO said:
“How would it look if the grille and headlights were turned upside down?”
“Jah, herr docktor CEO, that could work...”
And the rest, unfortunately, is history.
“How would it look if the grille and headlights were turned upside down?”
“Jah, herr docktor CEO, that could work...”
And the rest, unfortunately, is history.
Chestrockwell said:
My friend has a MK7.5 GTI manual and he broke his leg so we swapped cars as my car was an automatic and I had it for nearly 2 months.
People think they look bland but not the 7.5 with the lovely LED lights that really set the car apart from the lesser versions. It was a very very good all rounder, wouldn’t say it’s a ‘hot’ hatch though, it’s a fast version of a Golf, didn’t handle anywhere near as good as my Civic Type R but then, it shouldn’t as it’s not a ‘hot hatch’, a mere marketing exercise and the proof would be Audi offering the same engine with the same output badges as TFSI or 2.0 pre WLTP.
The Golf R would be the car you should look for when words ‘class leading’ pop up. They are so sought after, people are breaking into people’s homes just to get the keys and the residuals are very good.
I wasn’t around in the 80’s when the first GTI’s came but what I do know is that the MK3 and MK4 GTI’s we’re far from class leading so I’m not sure what return to form you’re looking for. MK5 & 6 were essentially the same cars with a different body as well and they didn’t cause a fuss!
Isn't describing it as a fast version of a Golf, pretty much summing up what a hot hatch is? A faster version of a fairly mundane car, one that is faster but can still work on school runs etc.People think they look bland but not the 7.5 with the lovely LED lights that really set the car apart from the lesser versions. It was a very very good all rounder, wouldn’t say it’s a ‘hot’ hatch though, it’s a fast version of a Golf, didn’t handle anywhere near as good as my Civic Type R but then, it shouldn’t as it’s not a ‘hot hatch’, a mere marketing exercise and the proof would be Audi offering the same engine with the same output badges as TFSI or 2.0 pre WLTP.
The Golf R would be the car you should look for when words ‘class leading’ pop up. They are so sought after, people are breaking into people’s homes just to get the keys and the residuals are very good.
I wasn’t around in the 80’s when the first GTI’s came but what I do know is that the MK3 and MK4 GTI’s we’re far from class leading so I’m not sure what return to form you’re looking for. MK5 & 6 were essentially the same cars with a different body as well and they didn’t cause a fuss!
The fact that the engine was shared elsewhere across the VAG range means sweet FA - they're masters of platform sharing.
I don't think the thefts of Golf R's has much to do with residuals or them being 'class leading' more than that discrete, fast, easy to drive and you can get four or five scumbags in easily...
Back on topic; the power increases are pretty modest particularly for the GTI. The R has just enough to outgun the A35/M135i but someway off the hyper hatches like the RS3.
I read recently that the new EU Co2 based manufacturer fines kick in this year, and that they will hit hot hatchbacks particularly hard due to weight being factored into the equation. (Compared to fleet average they’re relatively light but relatively polluting).
Could the need to keep Co2 in check be behind the relatively modest power hikes, VW being particularly sensitive to this sort of thing given their recent track record?
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/analys...
Could the need to keep Co2 in check be behind the relatively modest power hikes, VW being particularly sensitive to this sort of thing given their recent track record?
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/analys...
Court_S said:
Isn't describing it as a fast version of a Golf, pretty much summing up what a hot hatch is? A faster version of a fairly mundane car, one that is faster but can still work on school runs etc.
The fact that the engine was shared elsewhere across the VAG range means sweet FA - they're masters of platform sharing.
I don't think the thefts of Golf R's has much to do with residuals or them being 'class leading' more than that discrete, fast, easy to drive and you can get four or five scumbags in easily...
Back on topic; the power increases are pretty modest particularly for the GTI. The R has just enough to outgun the A35/M135i but someway off the hyper hatches like the RS3.
I’m sorry but I drove the same Golf to Bicester Village from Surrey last week and it’s not a hot hatch, it’s nothing like my Civic Type R which admittedly is in a class above. That’s a hot hatch, silly turning circle, loud, responsive and sharp. My Civic used to egg me on, I could never drive it normally. The Golf? Just a very very good car, comfortable, smooth and quiet. It’s a Fast Golf, not a ‘Hot Hatch’, the Club Sport is probably different story. The fact that the engine was shared elsewhere across the VAG range means sweet FA - they're masters of platform sharing.
I don't think the thefts of Golf R's has much to do with residuals or them being 'class leading' more than that discrete, fast, easy to drive and you can get four or five scumbags in easily...
Back on topic; the power increases are pretty modest particularly for the GTI. The R has just enough to outgun the A35/M135i but someway off the hyper hatches like the RS3.
You’re wrong on this one, unless you’ve driven a proper hot hatch extensively and a Golf GTI extensively, in that case, we’ll have to agree to disagree
Chestrockwell said:
I’m sorry but I drove the same Golf to Bicester Village from Surrey last week and it’s not a hot hatch, it’s nothing like my Civic Type R which admittedly is in a class above. That’s a hot hatch, silly turning circle, loud, responsive and sharp. My Civic used to egg me on, I could never drive it normally. The Golf? Just a very very good car, comfortable, smooth and quiet. It’s a Fast Golf, not a ‘Hot Hatch’, the Club Sport is probably different story.
You’re wrong on this one, unless you’ve driven a proper hot hatch extensively and a Golf GTI extensively, in that case, we’ll have to agree to disagree
In that case, no GTI has ever been a hot hatch....they’ve never been silly looking, particularly loud or shouty. By your definition a 205 GTI isn’t a hot hatch either. They’ve never been about extremes, yet they always do well in reviews and have been popular since their inception. Perhaps, it’s you who’s wrong?You’re wrong on this one, unless you’ve driven a proper hot hatch extensively and a Golf GTI extensively, in that case, we’ll have to agree to disagree
Chestrockwell said:
Court_S said:
Isn't describing it as a fast version of a Golf, pretty much summing up what a hot hatch is? A faster version of a fairly mundane car, one that is faster but can still work on school runs etc.
The fact that the engine was shared elsewhere across the VAG range means sweet FA - they're masters of platform sharing.
I don't think the thefts of Golf R's has much to do with residuals or them being 'class leading' more than that discrete, fast, easy to drive and you can get four or five scumbags in easily...
Back on topic; the power increases are pretty modest particularly for the GTI. The R has just enough to outgun the A35/M135i but someway off the hyper hatches like the RS3.
You’re wrong on this one, The fact that the engine was shared elsewhere across the VAG range means sweet FA - they're masters of platform sharing.
I don't think the thefts of Golf R's has much to do with residuals or them being 'class leading' more than that discrete, fast, easy to drive and you can get four or five scumbags in easily...
Back on topic; the power increases are pretty modest particularly for the GTI. The R has just enough to outgun the A35/M135i but someway off the hyper hatches like the RS3.
Stop trying to justify your car purchase.
Edited by Alucidnation on Thursday 23 January 08:20
Edited by Alucidnation on Thursday 23 January 08:20
It will do very well, it won't be boring (but it will be fashionable on here to say it is) and will be excellent to live with, just like the 7/7.5.
If you want a hot hatch that shakes your teeth out, is noisy & impractical, looks like someone ram raided Halfords and requires 10/10ths all the time, WTF are you buying a hatchback for? Buy a sports car. The whole reason for a hot hatch existing is to do hatch first and hot second - precisely what the Golf does (and excellently).
If you want a hot hatch that shakes your teeth out, is noisy & impractical, looks like someone ram raided Halfords and requires 10/10ths all the time, WTF are you buying a hatchback for? Buy a sports car. The whole reason for a hot hatch existing is to do hatch first and hot second - precisely what the Golf does (and excellently).
Chestrockwell said:
Court_S said:
Isn't describing it as a fast version of a Golf, pretty much summing up what a hot hatch is? A faster version of a fairly mundane car, one that is faster but can still work on school runs etc.
The fact that the engine was shared elsewhere across the VAG range means sweet FA - they're masters of platform sharing.
I don't think the thefts of Golf R's has much to do with residuals or them being 'class leading' more than that discrete, fast, easy to drive and you can get four or five scumbags in easily...
Back on topic; the power increases are pretty modest particularly for the GTI. The R has just enough to outgun the A35/M135i but someway off the hyper hatches like the RS3.
I’m sorry but I drove the same Golf to Bicester Village from Surrey last week and it’s not a hot hatch, it’s nothing like my Civic Type R which admittedly is in a class above. That’s a hot hatch, silly turning circle, loud, responsive and sharp. My Civic used to egg me on, I could never drive it normally. The Golf? Just a very very good car, comfortable, smooth and quiet. It’s a Fast Golf, not a ‘Hot Hatch’, the Club Sport is probably different story. The fact that the engine was shared elsewhere across the VAG range means sweet FA - they're masters of platform sharing.
I don't think the thefts of Golf R's has much to do with residuals or them being 'class leading' more than that discrete, fast, easy to drive and you can get four or five scumbags in easily...
Back on topic; the power increases are pretty modest particularly for the GTI. The R has just enough to outgun the A35/M135i but someway off the hyper hatches like the RS3.
You’re wrong on this one, unless you’ve driven a proper hot hatch extensively and a Golf GTI extensively, in that case, we’ll have to agree to disagree
t but this is your finest effort yet!!gigglebug said:
Chestrockwell said:
Court_S said:
Isn't describing it as a fast version of a Golf, pretty much summing up what a hot hatch is? A faster version of a fairly mundane car, one that is faster but can still work on school runs etc.
The fact that the engine was shared elsewhere across the VAG range means sweet FA - they're masters of platform sharing.
I don't think the thefts of Golf R's has much to do with residuals or them being 'class leading' more than that discrete, fast, easy to drive and you can get four or five scumbags in easily...
Back on topic; the power increases are pretty modest particularly for the GTI. The R has just enough to outgun the A35/M135i but someway off the hyper hatches like the RS3.
I’m sorry but I drove the same Golf to Bicester Village from Surrey last week and it’s not a hot hatch, it’s nothing like my Civic Type R which admittedly is in a class above. That’s a hot hatch, silly turning circle, loud, responsive and sharp. My Civic used to egg me on, I could never drive it normally. The Golf? Just a very very good car, comfortable, smooth and quiet. It’s a Fast Golf, not a ‘Hot Hatch’, the Club Sport is probably different story. The fact that the engine was shared elsewhere across the VAG range means sweet FA - they're masters of platform sharing.
I don't think the thefts of Golf R's has much to do with residuals or them being 'class leading' more than that discrete, fast, easy to drive and you can get four or five scumbags in easily...
Back on topic; the power increases are pretty modest particularly for the GTI. The R has just enough to outgun the A35/M135i but someway off the hyper hatches like the RS3.
You’re wrong on this one, unless you’ve driven a proper hot hatch extensively and a Golf GTI extensively, in that case, we’ll have to agree to disagree
t but this is your finest effort yet!!TheBALDpuma said:
I've got to agree - Chestrockwell you are very much misunderstanding the concept of a hot hatch. Or you're deliberatly talking nonsense to live up to some imagined PH status that Golf GTIs are boring.
Classic case of buying a car, finding out he really likes it, and then everything else immediately being st. Never said it was st! Just said it was boring compared to the Civic (which I sold for everyone’s information) so I’m trying to establish what a ‘hot hatch’ is?
If the Golf GTI is so good and so engaging, why make the Club Sport?
Because the standard Golf GTI doesn’t cut it!
I only used the Civic as an example as I owned one, let’s use a Megane Trophy as an example, are you telling me it’s in the same league as a standard Golf GTI?
Times have changed, 230 bhp doesn’t exactly cut it anymore when you’re talking hot hatches.
I don’t make the rules
t! Just said it was boring compared to the Civic (which I sold for everyone’s information) so I’m trying to establish what a ‘hot hatch’ is?If the Golf GTI is so good and so engaging, why make the Club Sport?
Because the standard Golf GTI doesn’t cut it!
I only used the Civic as an example as I owned one, let’s use a Megane Trophy as an example, are you telling me it’s in the same league as a standard Golf GTI?
Times have changed, 230 bhp doesn’t exactly cut it anymore when you’re talking hot hatches.
I don’t make the rules
If the Mk8 R is going to have 329bhp and the TCR 296bhp, then presumably, when the latter’s lack of 4WD gubbins is considered, their bhp/tonne will be similar?
So, why is VW producing two Mk8 Golfs with similar straight line speed / performance? Is the TCR going to be a more hardcore GTI, to take on the CTR, i30N and Megane RS?
So, why is VW producing two Mk8 Golfs with similar straight line speed / performance? Is the TCR going to be a more hardcore GTI, to take on the CTR, i30N and Megane RS?
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