RE: ABT pumps Audi RS3 up to 470hp

[anonymous-user]

Thornaby said:

Hatchback with 400bhp, 0-60 in 4secs, does 174mph and constantly gets slagged off on here.

15 years time, this car will be an absolute legend

No chance.

[Plate spinner]

Thornaby said:

Hatchback with 400bhp, 0-60 in 4secs, does 174mph and constantly gets slagged off on here.

15 years time, this car will be an absolute legend

Errrr, why do you think that?

[Onehp]

If you don't get why one puts lightweight weels on a car, then don't do it. If you did get the wheels, and you still don't get it, don't do it again.

I'm on my 4th car with significantly lighter wheels (and maybe double the sets of wheels, winters also sometimes), they always do what I expect and like.
Don't feel the need to explain why, because if you cared much about driving, you can easily find out why.

Edited by Onehp on Saturday 13th July 22:51

[Pizzaeatingking]

wab172uk said:

gigglebug said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

gigglebug said:

wab172uk said:

I've just had an S3 engine (totally standard) go pop. Injector problem led to a Piston disintegrating. Cost to find the fault, ship over a brand new engine (still on back order) and to install said new engine. £18,380.

Mines out of warranty, but Audi have accepted the failure was due to a faulty part. This alone has put me off ever thinking about tuning a car. If I'd had mine mapped, I'd have to write the car off.

Bloody hell! My partners 2.0TFSI has had a new engine and I'm sure the bill was 8-9K. I'll have a look when I get a spare minute.

If you value your warranty you will not mod an RS, audi have a people that look for them to void warranties

My second RS3 needed a new mechatronic unit as the car would jump into neutral on high g cornering and you could not select a gear for 30ish seconds, after all the fault diagnostics they had the car in for 2 days to inspect it for mods before they booked the car in a few weeks later to swap the unit

Not the same engine obviously but hers was a timing chain tensioner failure causing the valves to hit the pistons. £8572.42 would have been the bill if it hadn't have been within warranty.

It was £2500 for them to diagnose the problem. Think the Engine itself it £9000, shipping etc. Then add VAT on, and dealers time / labour to fit the new engine. Was first told £13,000, but then this changed to over £18k.

I had a very dry throat when getting told the price, until he said Audi have accepted the fault.

The thing is though, anyone who is modding their car isn't going to take it to the dealer to repair. Lots of huge numbers get battered about often with newer cars but in reality a decent independent specialist will have the car sorted for thousands less than a dealer.

dukebox9reg said:

Back to the car. Wonder if mapping GPF cars will lead to filter blocking up like diesels

Petrols run hotter than diesels and create less particles to clog up filters and valves so unlikely.

[SidewaysSi]

Thornaby said:

Hatchback with 400bhp, 0-60 in 4secs, does 174mph and constantly gets slagged off on here.

15 years time, this car will be an absolute legend

No it won't - it is still crap to drive. A car for the press and go type.

[Miserablegit]

Onehp said:

If you don't get why one puts lightweight weels on a car, then don't do it. If you did get the wheels, and you still don't get it, don't do it again.

I'm on my 4th car with significantly lighter wheels (and maybe double the sets of wheels, winters also sometimes), they always do what I expect and like.
Don't feel the need to explain why, because if you cared much about driving, you can easily find out why.

Edited by Onehp on Saturday 13th July 22:51

Let’s not forget this car weighs 1500kg- guessing weight distribution is 60/40.
On that basis front suspension is suspending 450kg per corner- any potential suspension advantage with a lower unsprung mass is hobbled by the need to suspend 450kg. Much more relevant on a lightweight vehicle.

Likewise the rotational benefits of lower mass unsprung weight when changing direction are going to be compromised by the momentum of a 1500kg front engined vehicle. Hence the usual Audi understeer comments.

Lighter wheels will make a tiny difference - I don’t think the difference will be significant and certainly not significant enough for the review comments. That is all.

[gigglebug]

Pizzaeatingking said:

The thing is though, anyone who is modding their car isn't going to take it to the dealer to repair. Lots of huge numbers get battered about often with newer cars but in reality a decent independent specialist will have the car sorted for thousands less than a dealer.

I think the real point is that in both cases the repairs were made by the manufacturer for free but had there been evidence of any modifications they almost certainly wouldn't so at that point it wouldn't matter what independent specialist you took it too they certainly wouldn't be saving you any money over what could have been paid.

It was just a precautionary tale of what could happen.

[Jon_S_Rally]

dukebox9reg said:

Guess you don't live on a main through road to a recently opened car themed pub/cafe near me. The darlings with their bean can exhausts seem to think flat out acceleration through 2/3 gears and dropping the clutch and bouncing the engine of the limiter for pops and farts is acceptable behaviour in a quiet village that is a 30mph limit. I'm sure their mummies wouldn't like it if I parked out side their house nailing my car off its limiter. The ones who want the attention for their exhausts 99% of the time funnily enough drives like b'ends.

NIMBY alert...

I happen to live in a village that, for some reason or other, has quite a large population of yoofs in modified cars and is used by many as a route to get to one of the local car hang-out spots. When I hear one (or more) of these cars driving through the village, I think, "That's a modified car" and then, within milliseconds, have forgotten about it again. I don't sit there stewing about it. Who cares? It last a few seconds and is gone again.

As someone who spends a lot of time on the road, the behaviour of yoofs in modified cars pales in comparison to the idiocy of those in totally standard cars, who plod along in a world of their own, oblivious to their surroundings. I wonder how many of them sail through your village at 40-50mph every day? The difference is, their cars are quiet, so you don't hear them doing it.

wab172uk said:

Personally I don't like all the popping and farting noises. I just prefer a decent engine / exhaust note. But it's the manufacturers who are writing these farting noises into new cars. Just a shame you can't turn them off. Same as pumping fake noise in through the speakers. Just no.

They're writing them in for a reason though. They wouldn't do it if the majority of buyers didn't like it. As for the fake noise thing, that's just a byproduct of the way modern cars are. Most customers want maximum refinement, so we've packed cars with sound deadening and used double bulkheads to insulate engine noise from the cabin. When they then making the sporting version, they have to use one of these resonator pipes, or use the speakers, as otherwise you wouldn't hear as much as in an older car. Sadly, luddites like us that want the car to sound natural are very much a dying breed.

[steveb8189]

Jon_S_Rally said:

I happen to live in a village that, for some reason or other, has quite a large population of yoofs in modified cars and is used by many as a route to get to one of the local car hang-out spots. When I hear one (or more) of these cars driving through the village, I think, "That's a modified car" and then, within milliseconds, have forgotten about it again. I don't sit there stewing about it. Who cares? It last a few seconds and is gone again.

When you have a child who wakes up in the night due to the yoofs and then won't go back to sleep for a couple of hours it's not so much fun

[Terminator X]

Thornaby said:

Hatchback with 400bhp, 0-60 in 4secs, does 174mph and constantly gets slagged off on here.

15 years time, this car will be an absolute legend

I agree albeit perhaps the PFL version rather than the FL or indeed this car which is a FL with a GPF^! The original 8V was just a bit rawer imho and I do see original unmolested versions keeping their value in the future. Even the oldest low ish mileage ones haven't yet dropped below £30k which for a car that came out in 2015 at £40k is pretty remarkable.

TX.

^O/T this dreaded GPF imho will kill off a lot of demand for new cars from "drivers", new cars getting quieter and more muffled year on year. Already the main feedback on this RS3 is that it is virtually silent vs the previous ones.

[steveb8189]

steveb8189 said:

Jon_S_Rally said:

I happen to live in a village that, for some reason or other, has quite a large population of yoofs in modified cars and is used by many as a route to get to one of the local car hang-out spots. When I hear one (or more) of these cars driving through the village, I think, "That's a modified car" and then, within milliseconds, have forgotten about it again. I don't sit there stewing about it. Who cares? It last a few seconds and is gone again.

When you have a child who wakes up in the night due to the yoofs and then won't go back to sleep for a couple of hours it's not so much fun

Actually, I take that back now I've had a chance to think about it. I completely understand that people want to modify their cars and I appreciate it that people take the time (and expense) to personalise them. Sometimes this means they add more "character" with a louder exhaust. When I see people like this I really don't care.

The problem is that mainstream production cars are now doing the same so anyone with a heavy right foot farts their way around town. It's almost like it's not earned..? These aren't necessarily car enthusiasts, they're usually just idiots.

[Court_S]

Terminator X said:

^O/T this dreaded GPF imho will kill off a lot of demand for new cars from "drivers", new cars getting quieter and more muffled year on year. Already the main feedback on this RS3 is that it is virtually silent vs the previous ones.

Are they that bad on the RS3? My 140 with a PPF is quieter than the older cars without one, but it still sounds pretty good to me albeit without many of the pops and bangs that upset people.

[AC43]

Jon_S_Rally said:

I love how angry people get about how other people drive and about people revving their engines, or the whole 'pops and bangs' thing.

Yes it can be annoying, yes it can be dangerous, but it's been happening happening ever since the car was invented. It might be time to get over it.

The fake pooping and banging has only been around two or three years.

Round my way it definitely appeals to a certain type of moron who's encouraged to take his "driving" to a previously unheard of level of tttishness.

My mate has a Golf GTI that does it if he makes it. He's a grown up. It makes him embarassed.

[Gerradi]

My TVR Cerbera used to pop & bang , was really hard to have a conversation at times, forget a radio, never had so many Thumbs up whilst driving a car on the move or at traffic lights /garages etc....

[anonymous-user]

steveb8189 said:

When you have a child who wakes up in the night due to the yoofs and then won't go back to sleep for a couple of hours it's not so much fun

The problem is this is a site full of inconsiderate asshats. There’s two RS3’s locally. Both have blacked out windows and chrome mirrors, very tasteful. The noise the pair of the make when you see them in the high street is just embarrassing. These seem to falling into the hands of total chavs. Easy to map, and it’s an RS innit bruv. Shame really, it’s a discreet way to cover ground fast as a stock car.

[Miserablegit]

Gerradi said:

My TVR Cerbera used to pop & bang , was really hard to have a conversation at times, forget a radio, never had so many Thumbs up whilst driving a car on the move or at traffic lights /garages etc....

yes but at least the TVR did the decent thing and threatened to kill you once in a while thereby ensuring you were a half-decent driver- TVRs were proper sportscars- the issue comes with the digital generation of 600hp and no skill. Pure reliance on driving aids to get them out of trouble.

I remember going to a Wales/Argentina game in Cardiff (by train from London) and one of the group was driving there in poor conditions. He arrived late. "Why are you late," we asked.
"Some tt in a TVR decided to try to kill himself on the M4" came the reply.

"How badly damaged is your car" we asked. It was fine once he pulled the turf out. That was a great looking car (T350) and he still has it I think.

[Gerradi]

Hmmm I do remember being rather terrified on more than one occasion when pressing on down country lanes , you know the ones, that each side had subsided . Hearing(feeling) the exhausts scraping,
the terrifiying thing was you were barely touching land , mostly airborne & the brakes... well you needed strong thigh muscles ....felt ten years younger & lighter afterwards ...but sadly so did the wallet...
Today, sacriledge (apparently) I have a TTRS, its an S-Tronic as back surgery, TVR didn't help etc...but also have a nice little 916 Spider ,that I have to admit, I do enjoy driving that more than the TTRS ??? Old fool Yarp thats me!

[cerb4.5lee]

Gerradi said:

My TVR Cerbera used to pop & bang , was really hard to have a conversation at times, forget a radio, never had so many Thumbs up whilst driving a car on the move or at traffic lights /garages etc....

I used to get disapproving looks and finger wagging in supermarket car parks in mine...because everyone thought that you were going quickly(even though you actually weren't) because of the noise it made.

I also always got a positive response from people when filling it up with petrol etc. Great cars with such a lovely angry noise at high revs!

[Miserablegit]

Gerradi said:

Hmmm I do remember being rather terrified on more than one occasion when pressing on down country lanes , you know the ones, that each side had subsided . Hearing(feeling) the exhausts scraping,
the terrifiying thing was you were barely touching land , mostly airborne & the brakes... well you needed strong thigh muscles ....felt ten years younger & lighter afterwards ...but sadly so did the wallet...
Today, sacriledge (apparently) I have a TTRS, its an S-Tronic as back surgery, TVR didn't help etc...but also have a nice little 916 Spider ,that I have to admit, I do enjoy driving that more than the TTRS ??? Old fool Yarp thats me!

Seems reasonable - you needed to replace the TVR with two cars. An old Italian for the "foibles" and a TTRS for the performance!
Brakes are for wimps!

[Gerradi]

Cerb4.5le
Garage forecourts oh no....ever wanted to find a hole to hide in....
Well pull in , all heads look across , some smile , some may come over ,all great. but then...press the start button & "Click"..ah the bloody over heated starter motoer cabling etc, fitted a 35Amp relay plus 35MM tig cables for earth & all good ...
Miserablegit
I often thought an anchor would be a good idea at times...
OP, sorry for rambling.