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If it was my money, I'd find it difficult to look past one of these:
I've seen it in the flesh and it is unbelievable.
https://www.guntherwerks.com/gallery
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That looks stunning!
anonymous said:
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Agreed about the wheels and tyres; but then I think that about most cars nowadays. Apart from that though, Singer has nailed it - not as apparent with this featured wrapped mule car, but I've visited them in downtown LA and looked at a bunch of their regular cars and their interior quality and choices are beyond reproach. Decent bunch of guys too. I have to confess that I personally think this is a step to far and there previous stuff hits the perfect sweet spot.
Why do some seem to think the potential owners are deciding between this and something else like a GT2 RS?
Don’t want to assume but I would hazard a strong guess that pretty much all of the potential owners don’t make much of a choice beyond “I fancy one of those”. It’s not this or something else it’s this will go nicely with my GT2, GT3, GT4, 550 Spyker etc.
Just another exciting car to have alongside there others.
For me the real question is who are these people that looked at there previous work and said meh that’s boring wish they would go the whole hog with it. It’s not as if there older stuff was badly built or slow.
Why do some seem to think the potential owners are deciding between this and something else like a GT2 RS?
Don’t want to assume but I would hazard a strong guess that pretty much all of the potential owners don’t make much of a choice beyond “I fancy one of those”. It’s not this or something else it’s this will go nicely with my GT2, GT3, GT4, 550 Spyker etc.
Just another exciting car to have alongside there others.
For me the real question is who are these people that looked at there previous work and said meh that’s boring wish they would go the whole hog with it. It’s not as if there older stuff was badly built or slow.
Edited by ntiz on Wednesday 17th July 09:02
Amazing the amount of hate and b
hing here from what are supposed to be petrolheads.
Wait till stuff like this is as extinct as dinosours, it wont be long.
Anyone winging about the cost has clearly never ever attempted to engineer something to truly the very best it could ever possibly be. It cost millions to do what these guys have done, which is why nobody has done it quite like this before.
As for the car in the images, its the test mule, its not the finished product. The finished product is as much a work of art as it is a automotive masterpiece.
Having spoken to Rob personally at Goodwood last year about the car and his work, i truly wish them the very best of luck.
Lovely guy with an amazing vision, thank you so much Singer for making what some of us can only dream of
hing here from what are supposed to be petrolheads.Wait till stuff like this is as extinct as dinosours, it wont be long.
Anyone winging about the cost has clearly never ever attempted to engineer something to truly the very best it could ever possibly be. It cost millions to do what these guys have done, which is why nobody has done it quite like this before.
As for the car in the images, its the test mule, its not the finished product. The finished product is as much a work of art as it is a automotive masterpiece.
Having spoken to Rob personally at Goodwood last year about the car and his work, i truly wish them the very best of luck.
Lovely guy with an amazing vision, thank you so much Singer for making what some of us can only dream of
ntiz said:
Don’t want to assume but I would hazard a strong guess that pretty much all of the potential owners don’t make much of a choice beyond “I fancy one of those”. It’s not this or something else it’s this will go nicely with my GT2, GT3, GT4, 550 Spyker etc.
Just another exciting car to have alongside there others.
Indeed. The few people I know of who own Singers have car collections us mere mortals can only dream of, so yes, it really does come down to "if Singer build it (well) we will buy it".Just another exciting car to have alongside there others.
frayz said:
Amazing the amount of hate and bhing here from what are supposed to be petrolheads.
Wait till stuff like this is as extinct as dinosours, it wont be long.
Anyone winging about the cost has clearly never ever attempted to engineer something to truly the very best it could ever possibly be. It cost millions to do what these guys have done, which is why nobody has done it quite like this before.
As for the car in the images, its the test mule, its not the finished product. The finished product is as much a work of art as it is a automotive masterpiece.
Having spoken to Rob personally at Goodwood last year about the car and his work, i truly wish them the very best of luck.
Lovely guy with an amazing vision, thank you so much Singer for making what some of us can only dream of
Agreed, my complaint is not about the cost but about the claim that its unprofitable. Just don’t buy ithing here from what are supposed to be petrolheads.Wait till stuff like this is as extinct as dinosours, it wont be long.
Anyone winging about the cost has clearly never ever attempted to engineer something to truly the very best it could ever possibly be. It cost millions to do what these guys have done, which is why nobody has done it quite like this before.
As for the car in the images, its the test mule, its not the finished product. The finished product is as much a work of art as it is a automotive masterpiece.
Having spoken to Rob personally at Goodwood last year about the car and his work, i truly wish them the very best of luck.
Lovely guy with an amazing vision, thank you so much Singer for making what some of us can only dream of
GingerPixel said:
Slippydiff said:
the great unwashed
Most of what I find offputting about Singer and the DLS is the suggestion that I should like it, and if I don't then I must be some kind of uncultured swine. I do like it, by the way.
anonymous said:
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I think it fair to say no one 'needs' a DLS any more than they need a hypercar and that, in many regards they serve a similar market and have a similar lack of proportionality and sanity. Which is a good thing. They are the 4 wheeled equivalent of a gin palace or private jet.The DLS is very much focused on handling, involvement and 'feeling' but that end does not solely justify the cost. If tyhe dynamic connection was all customers wanted, they end up with a 'track' car like a Caterham, Lotus, Aerial etc. etc.
GingerPixel said:
Slippydiff said:
the great unwashed
Most of what I find offputting about Singer and the DLS is the suggestion that I should like it, and if I don't then I must be some kind of uncultured swine. Several individuals have happened across this thread and have seen the asking price, having done so they’ve then waded in with comments about the Dymo stickers on the dash, the clocks etc.
The “Singer cognoscenti” will have seen the car in the flesh at Goodwood or read PH’s recent comments on the car in the run up to the same event, and would know this car is the development hack, whilst the great unwashed wouldn’t...
No one is asking (or indeed expecting) you to like it, but merely to appreciate it for what it is and the standard it sets for modified air cooled 911s.
As for the size of the wheels and tyres and the huge amount of time Dickinson acknowledges was spent perfecting the wheelarches, wheel sizes, offsets and widths to fill the arches perfectly, all I can say is this, when the amount of time isn’tdevoted to these matters, the end results can be somewhat testing aesthetically...
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/features/evolutos...
But from a practical perspective, I’d suggest that any of Singers creations packing in excess of 350hp would need those wheel/tyre sizes.
If Dickinson were building 2.0/2.2/2.3 220-240hp short stroke, MFi, 8200rpm, air cooled cars with 912 bodywork,, skinny tyres and wheels would be entirely understandable, but 3.8 ? litres and 350hp in a 964 chassis needs a certain amount of rubber to be anything other than a liability when driven quickly in the road or track.
The 260hp 964 RS wears 205 Fr 255 Rr, the hallowed 300hp 964 3.8RS 235 Fr and 285 Rr.
The “standard” Singer ? 225 Fr and 275Rr.
Not sure what the DLS wears tyre wise, but it’ll need some pretty wide, sticky rubber to keep those 550+ aircooled horsepower in check.
Would the great unwashed be pretentious enough to compare polishing an old car with either Concorde or landing on the moon? Or do you have to spot it in a dusty West Sussex field before you can do that?
Slippydiff said:
The car is an object lesson in what can be done with an aircooled 911, Singer should be applauded for pushing the envelope, just as others have done in other fields, because without such individuals, Concorde, landing a man on the moon or climbing the highest mountains wouldn’t have ever happened.
Esceptico said:
I’m not sure about this. I’ve owned two early 911s, the last was a hot rod that weighed around 1000kg and had about 210-215 bhp. For road use that was absolutely perfect. Enough power to be seriously quick yet not so much power that you couldn’t use all of it. I’m sure on track it would get lapped pretty quickly by this Singer and it didn’t have any creature comforts (no radio nevertheless AC). However it was brilliant to drive and I did two drives around Scotland (starting near London) and it was comfortable enough (and didn’t let me down).
You can have too much of a good thing.
Sounds like you had just about the right amount of a good thing! Would work for me aswell. You can have too much of a good thing.
Cold said:
Would the great unwashed be pretentious enough to compare polishing an old car with either Concorde or landing on the moon? Or do you have to spot it in a dusty West Sussex field before you can do that?
Where's the Whoosh Parrot emoji when you need it ... Slippydiff said:
The car is an object lesson in what can be done with an aircooled 911, Singer should be applauded for pushing the envelope, just as others have done in other fields, because without such individuals, Concorde, landing a man on the moon or climbing the highest mountains wouldn’t have ever happened.
anonymous said:
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That’s just awful J, I mean tasteless doesn’t even start to describe it. I can’t imagine ANY individual finding it in anyway appealing, I mean seriously it really grates.
But enough of Bov’s shirt ... the car’s not my thing either, I far prefer their second effort :
https://petrolicious.com/articles/workshop5001s-la...
As you’ve said, a large part of the wheel/tyre choice is indeed down to aesthetics, and personal preference.
But would I want my current 465hp steed on tyres/wheels any narrower than it currently wearing ? Absolutely not (for the record it’s running standard size 285 Cup 2’s on 11” E88’s) on the rear.
I figured the narrower tyres (as opposed to a 295’s) looked better for being a tiny bit stretched on the slightly wider than stock rims, but with that set up, it certainly isn’t over tyred ...
A 200hp 2.5 Boxster on 255 rears may be overkill, but a 550 plus hp N/A air cooled 911 on 255 rears, good luck with that ...
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