RE: Lotus unveils 2000hp, £2m Evija
Discussion
kambites said:
I think it's pretty unlikely that any "Esprit" will have an internal combustion engine at all. I don't think Geely have any interest in getting Lotus to play catch-up with the established competition; I suspect they will want to leap-frog them, even if it takes a while for that to be profitable.
Surely the next Esprit will have the biggest output turbo4 that Volvo have available. Tweek it, bigger Turbos, EV to fill-in. Call it an Esprit.Edited by kambites on Wednesday 17th July 09:47
kambites said:
Porsche911R said:
Hybrids are todays and the next 5 years cars, not electric.
In Europe perhaps, but I'm not convinced that's true of China. China is looking to be 100% EV within 11 years.
otolith said:
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/01/19/china-flexes-...
China is looking to be 100% EV within 11 years.
They’ve got to use all those new fossil fuel power stations for something.China is looking to be 100% EV within 11 years.
Benbay001 said:
800kw charging?
800000W / 240V = 3000A
Thats a HUGGEE amount of current.
The average amount house has a 100A supply.
You would need your own substation (probably not your biggest concern if youve just spent £2m on a car..)
I’m sure it’s the normal case of marketing or journo’s complete lack of understanding of electric propulsion.800000W / 240V = 3000A
Thats a HUGGEE amount of current.
The average amount house has a 100A supply.
You would need your own substation (probably not your biggest concern if youve just spent £2m on a car..)
They are getting confused by the battery system being of the 800v nature (most are 400v)
The 800v chargers are the ones that can output a (theoretical) 350kW
kambites said:
LotusOmega375D said:
They’ve got to use all those new fossil fuel power stations for something.
I know China are still massively dependent on coal, but have they really been building more coal fired power stations? Macboy said:
FWIW said:
I'm just going by what the Marketing Director told me when I was at Hethel last September. Position could have changed since then, but the fleet of T8 XC90s in the car park makes sense...
Yes but he and ever other member of the senior management team are gone and with a new CEO and a new strategic plan, all bets are off when it comes to plans they were working from in 2018. kambites said:
What sort of "new chassis tech" could they be planning? I can't see any reason to abandon VVA unless they're ditching the whole concept of bonded extruded aluminium. If they are going to fundamentally change their architecture, in favour of what? Steel would seem a retrograde step; CFRP probably too expensive for their "mainstream" models;... maybe switching from extruded to folded aluminium and/or from bonded to welded in order to improve the potential for economies of scale?
I beleive Lotus helped AM with their VH architecture which was bonded - but now AM have moved from extruded/bonded to some castings as well (https://www.theengineer.co.uk/aston-martin-vantage-review/)Edited by kambites on Wednesday 17th July 08:56
Maybe Lotus is going the same way.
kambites said:
What sort of "new chassis tech" could they be planning? I can't see any reason to abandon VVA unless they're ditching the whole concept of bonded extruded aluminium. If they are going to fundamentally change their architecture, in favour of what? Steel would seem a retrograde step; CFRP probably too expensive for their "mainstream" models;... maybe switching from extruded to folded aluminium and/or from bonded to welded in order to improve the potential for economies of scale?
They've definitely said that they are investing in a new platform which will spawn multiple new cars.They haven't said, as far as I know, that it will be a different technology to the existing one, just that it will be a new platform.
https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/lotus-ceo-p...
otolith said:
They've definitely said that they are investing in a new platform which will spawn multiple new cars.
They said that about VVA too. 
Interestingly though, from that article:
Popham said:
We are a sports-car brand, and we are developing an all-new sports car, which you will see towards the end of next year. It won't be on sale, but you'll see it. It won't be an electric car. It will be a car that is within the price band that we have today in our range of products. And it will be a car that will appeal to a greater audience.
So apparently I'm wrong, although curiously the next model they announced after that was an electric sports (well super) car. It will be interesting to see what "all new" means in this context. Even if they do produce an ICE sports car, developing a new platform to take an ICE (rather than developing another VVA car) would imply a commitment to ICE for a number of models, which IMO would be utterly stupid.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 17th July 12:47
Benbay001 said:
800kw charging?
800000W / 240V = 3000A
Thats a HUGGEE amount of current.
The average amount house has a 100A supply.
You would need your own substation (probably not your biggest concern if youve just spent £2m on a car..)
Yep and you wont get that sort of current out of a single phase (240V) supply.800000W / 240V = 3000A
Thats a HUGGEE amount of current.
The average amount house has a 100A supply.
You would need your own substation (probably not your biggest concern if youve just spent £2m on a car..)
olliep82 said:
I don't post often (or really at all) but I feel compelled to put in a pennies worth here.
Obviously an opinion is like an assh@le, but surely a British brand as steeped in history for being innovative and forward thinking as Lotus is, that has created a car that is stunning in both shape and stats, should be celebrated shouldn't it?
Especially considering that it was on its knees (again) not so long ago.
Yes, an Elise/Exige replacement is long overdue, and yes the Esprit should have been replaced when we got the Evora instead, blah blah blah. It seems as though some people who profess to be true car enthusiasts on here will never ever be happy.
But yesterday, for me, someone who loves cars and has a particular soft spot for what Lotus do, was actually exciting.
It may be £2 million and totally unattainable for most here (maybe that's the root of the bitterness?) but as a beacon for a brand now seemingly looking forwards again, its surely something priceless.
For some reason , there are folk on here who always slag off Lotus, I don't get it (some Porsche owners are the worst, I think they feel threatened that actually for a driver Lotus makes some excellent cars that are as good as or better than a Porsche).Obviously an opinion is like an assh@le, but surely a British brand as steeped in history for being innovative and forward thinking as Lotus is, that has created a car that is stunning in both shape and stats, should be celebrated shouldn't it?
Especially considering that it was on its knees (again) not so long ago.
Yes, an Elise/Exige replacement is long overdue, and yes the Esprit should have been replaced when we got the Evora instead, blah blah blah. It seems as though some people who profess to be true car enthusiasts on here will never ever be happy.
But yesterday, for me, someone who loves cars and has a particular soft spot for what Lotus do, was actually exciting.
It may be £2 million and totally unattainable for most here (maybe that's the root of the bitterness?) but as a beacon for a brand now seemingly looking forwards again, its surely something priceless.
My personal view on the Evija is that it looks great, better than many current hypercars. If I had £2m to spend on a car it would be going on the Lotus.
I think its a good way to bring attention to Lotus who for years have had poor marketing and hence are often overlooked by buyers because they don't even realise the cars exist.
The timing is right if they have replacement cars for the rest of their line up to follow.
DonkeyApple said:
That’s exactly it. The single purpose of this vehicle is to start changing the global brand mindset of Lotus that currently means they can’t sell any big ticket goods.
After 30 years of ‘adding cheapness’ the world looks at a Lotus product and thinks cheap. They think cheap because the company has promoted their brand this way. We live in a consumer world where goods have to be aspirational and give off the image of success and wealth.
The purpose of this hypercar is to ‘park down the side of Harrods’ and for little bits of the £2m car to filter down to a £150k car so that consumers can make that aspirational leap.
This car looks stunning but it’s what it is marketing that I can’t wait to see and if looks anything like this car then Lotus might have cracked it.
Good points. An Evora would be my ideal car ATM but i can't bring myself to spend so much on a Lotus...After 30 years of ‘adding cheapness’ the world looks at a Lotus product and thinks cheap. They think cheap because the company has promoted their brand this way. We live in a consumer world where goods have to be aspirational and give off the image of success and wealth.
The purpose of this hypercar is to ‘park down the side of Harrods’ and for little bits of the £2m car to filter down to a £150k car so that consumers can make that aspirational leap.
This car looks stunning but it’s what it is marketing that I can’t wait to see and if looks anything like this car then Lotus might have cracked it.
fblm said:
otolith said:
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