RE: Lotus unveils 2000hp, £2m Evija
Discussion
hyphen said:
My bad, I keep forgetting how incompetent Pistonheads are 
They just had one job to do, send a bloke with a camera to the launch which was a short distance away, no wonder Schmee and so on are leaving traditional car media behind.
Have posted on the Flemke & 2manycarz thread, to see what these potential buyers think of it
Do you have a link to that thread please. Search is proving unreliable!They just had one job to do, send a bloke with a camera to the launch which was a short distance away, no wonder Schmee and so on are leaving traditional car media behind.
Have posted on the Flemke & 2manycarz thread, to see what these potential buyers think of it
Edited by hyphen on Wednesday 17th July 22:20
blueg33 said:
hyphen said:
My bad, I keep forgetting how incompetent Pistonheads are
They just had one job to do, send a bloke with a camera to the launch which was a short distance away, no wonder Schmee and so on are leaving traditional car media behind.
Have posted on the Flemke & 2manycarz thread, to see what these potential buyers think of it
Do you have a link to that thread please. Search is proving unreliable!They just had one job to do, send a bloke with a camera to the launch which was a short distance away, no wonder Schmee and so on are leaving traditional car media behind.
Have posted on the Flemke & 2manycarz thread, to see what these potential buyers think of it
Edited by hyphen on Wednesday 17th July 22:20
) 1st one: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
current: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Flemke I imagine you would be aware of: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Edited by hyphen on Wednesday 17th July 23:10
Amazing that Aston Martin are now shipping 14,000 units per year and that they want to limit their SUV to 5,000 units! (understandable) AM were making maybe 500 cars per year before year 2000?
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
With the right ingredients (which Geely seem to provide?) it ought to be easy for Lotus to achieve similar or greater volumes.
Lotus is probably the last brand which can be elevated to Porsche/Aston/Ferrari levels so it's fantastic to see someone with the money willing to have a go.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
With the right ingredients (which Geely seem to provide?) it ought to be easy for Lotus to achieve similar or greater volumes.
Lotus is probably the last brand which can be elevated to Porsche/Aston/Ferrari levels so it's fantastic to see someone with the money willing to have a go.
Lord Flashheart said:
It's getting to the point when performance figures don't mean a thing. £2m for something that accelerates no faster than a Tesla Ludicrous Performance and maybe goes 37mph faster, which of course no one will doing. I guess it's all about rarity now, but even if I had the money I'd feel a proper chump having spent £2m and still failing to shake off Mr & Mrs Jones with their kids in their Model S!
If this is for real it's 750kg lighter and has almost 3 times the power of the S.
As I mentioned earlier, cars at this exalted price point make me feel poor. Additionally cars with the level of performance are well beyond my driving ability to access anywhere close to their limits. My normal track car is a GT3 RS which even at that level is a better car than I am a driver.
This thing will of course utterly obliterate lesser supercars that in turn will obliterate something like an RS.
I am still glad it exists. It has always been the case that there were cars that were rare enough to be virtually unobtainable, which set impossible levels of performance in their time, and were the purview of the privileged few.
This is no different.
Of course there will be people who will buy it for status, ( hardly a new concept) but there will be some who will have the means and talent to use it to the full. Having new levels of performance has always been how cars developed.
I'll never drive one, but it is still a fascinating story. I wish them luck.
This thing will of course utterly obliterate lesser supercars that in turn will obliterate something like an RS.
I am still glad it exists. It has always been the case that there were cars that were rare enough to be virtually unobtainable, which set impossible levels of performance in their time, and were the purview of the privileged few.
This is no different.
Of course there will be people who will buy it for status, ( hardly a new concept) but there will be some who will have the means and talent to use it to the full. Having new levels of performance has always been how cars developed.
I'll never drive one, but it is still a fascinating story. I wish them luck.
fblm said:
Lord Flashheart said:
It's getting to the point when performance figures don't mean a thing. £2m for something that accelerates no faster than a Tesla Ludicrous Performance and maybe goes 37mph faster, which of course no one will doing. I guess it's all about rarity now, but even if I had the money I'd feel a proper chump having spent £2m and still failing to shake off Mr & Mrs Jones with their kids in their Model S!
If this is for real it's 750kg lighter and has almost 3 times the power of the S.
I guess this car like so many, are just examples to show us what can be done and will make the odd appearance at the FOS.
Maldini35 said:
hyphen said:
+1
Releasing computer generated images is for university students on design courses.
Build something and show it Lotus, or stop wasting our time.
Calm down dear!Releasing computer generated images is for university students on design courses.
Build something and show it Lotus, or stop wasting our time.
Sorry to P155 on your chips but this car is really happening.
Geeley have a lot riding on this to relaunch the Lotus brand in other markets.
After a chat with someone who actually sells Lotus last week, I’ve been informed that the production line is running.
Also, you can’t now order a factory new Exige or Evora (didn’t mention the Elise but I assume the same) as the factory is tooling up for the new versions, of which some of the tech from the Evija will be used.
Lord Flashheart said:
I guess this car like so many, are just examples to show us what can be done and will make the odd appearance at the FOS.
That's hardly a recent thing. Supercars arguably passed the point where they would really be fully exploited on the public road in the 60s, certainly by the 80s they were well past it; only a small proportion of supercars ever find their way to a track. MellowshipSlinky said:
Maldini35 said:
hyphen said:
After a chat with someone who actually sells Lotus last week, I’ve been informed that the production line is running.
Also, you can’t now order a factory new Exige or Evora (didn’t mention the Elise but I assume the same) as the factory is tooling up for the new versions, of which some of the tech from the Evija will be used.
Also, you can’t now order a factory new Exige or Evora (didn’t mention the Elise but I assume the same) as the factory is tooling up for the new versions, of which some of the tech from the Evija will be used.
I think your source is talking BS. Sounds like he doesn’t want to sell any Lotuses to me.
LotusOmega375D said:
MellowshipSlinky said:
Maldini35 said:
hyphen said:
After a chat with someone who actually sells Lotus last week, I’ve been informed that the production line is running.
Also, you can’t now order a factory new Exige or Evora (didn’t mention the Elise but I assume the same) as the factory is tooling up for the new versions, of which some of the tech from the Evija will be used.
Also, you can’t now order a factory new Exige or Evora (didn’t mention the Elise but I assume the same) as the factory is tooling up for the new versions, of which some of the tech from the Evija will be used.
I think your source is talking BS. Sounds like he doesn’t want to sell any Lotuses to me.
fblm said:
Lord Flashheart said:
It's getting to the point when performance figures don't mean a thing. £2m for something that accelerates no faster than a Tesla Ludicrous Performance and maybe goes 37mph faster, which of course no one will doing. I guess it's all about rarity now, but even if I had the money I'd feel a proper chump having spent £2m and still failing to shake off Mr & Mrs Jones with their kids in their Model S!
If this is for real it's 750kg lighter and has almost 3 times the power of the S.
Even though it's lighter and more powerful, the straightline 'point n squirt' nature of an electric car I think it will be very similar across the board - granted, composure round corners on a nice B-road this will probably show a Model S a clean pair of heels.... the every day drive, the Model S would be right behind it.
ikarl said:
fblm said:
Lord Flashheart said:
It's getting to the point when performance figures don't mean a thing. £2m for something that accelerates no faster than a Tesla Ludicrous Performance and maybe goes 37mph faster, which of course no one will doing. I guess it's all about rarity now, but even if I had the money I'd feel a proper chump having spent £2m and still failing to shake off Mr & Mrs Jones with their kids in their Model S!
If this is for real it's 750kg lighter and has almost 3 times the power of the S.
Even though it's lighter and more powerful, the straightline 'point n squirt' nature of an electric car I think it will be very similar across the board - granted, composure round corners on a nice B-road this will probably show a Model S a clean pair of heels.... the every day drive, the Model S would be right behind it.
Lotus claim this thing will average over 0.9g from 0-186mph. A P100D averages 0.76g from 0-100mph. It's going to feel like 30mph in ludicrous mode well into three figures.
And, yes, it's irrelevant on the public road, but that ship sailed decades ago.
It looks very nice for sure, but I cannot get excited about an electric car.
With a normal engine - say a screaming V12 - I can appreciate the fine engineering that has gone into it, creating horsepower, sound and emotion out of petrol, oil, air and metal.
Getting 2000hp from an electric motor is as easy (to the uninitiated) as hooking up a big but simple motor to a big battery. All it is is a 1:1 scale Scalextric. Where is the emotion? Where is the engineering skill? Where are the polished steel and alloy parts, the artistry of the exhaust pipes, the essential spark of life? .
The Evija is like a supermodel overdosing on smack - beautiful on the outside, but dead inside.
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With a normal engine - say a screaming V12 - I can appreciate the fine engineering that has gone into it, creating horsepower, sound and emotion out of petrol, oil, air and metal.
Getting 2000hp from an electric motor is as easy (to the uninitiated) as hooking up a big but simple motor to a big battery. All it is is a 1:1 scale Scalextric. Where is the emotion? Where is the engineering skill? Where are the polished steel and alloy parts, the artistry of the exhaust pipes, the essential spark of life? .
The Evija is like a supermodel overdosing on smack - beautiful on the outside, but dead inside.
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Ayahuasca said:
It looks very nice for sure, but I cannot get excited about an electric car.
With a normal engine - say a screaming V12 - I can appreciate the fine engineering that has gone into it, creating horsepower, sound and emotion out of petrol, oil, air and metal.
Getting 2000hp from an electric motor is as easy (to the uninitiated) as hooking up a big but simple motor to a big battery. All it is is a 1:1 scale Scalextric. Where is the emotion? Where is the engineering skill? Where are the polished steel and alloy parts, the artistry of the exhaust pipes, the essential spark of life? .
The Evija is like a supermodel overdosing on smack - beautiful on the outside, but dead inside.
The trouble is that the V12 monsters which used to be so impressive are obsolete.With a normal engine - say a screaming V12 - I can appreciate the fine engineering that has gone into it, creating horsepower, sound and emotion out of petrol, oil, air and metal.
Getting 2000hp from an electric motor is as easy (to the uninitiated) as hooking up a big but simple motor to a big battery. All it is is a 1:1 scale Scalextric. Where is the emotion? Where is the engineering skill? Where are the polished steel and alloy parts, the artistry of the exhaust pipes, the essential spark of life? .
The Evija is like a supermodel overdosing on smack - beautiful on the outside, but dead inside.
Glorious historical pieces, but soon to be obsolete.
Soon, all that engineering to produce something that's no faster than a much simpler battery car will be all sound and fury, signifying nothing.
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