RE: Lotus Evija to target Nurburgring record
Discussion
sidesauce said:
RobM77 said:
sidesauce said:
Baldchap said:
Porsche911R said:
Lotus make great cars 10 years too late. they don't make bad cars, just very out of date ones vs other brands the last 15 years !!
I disagree. The Elise/Exige is the only car left for sale today (Caterfields excluded, perhaps) that is 100% a driver's car. It's not 10 years too late, it's the last hope for most of us in a world increasingly moving towards driving experiences that get ever closer to watching TV.Nothing from any other manufacturer that I sampled came anywhere near.
So for me, I'd echo the above comment that nothing comes close, but only on the proviso that we're not including Caterhams, Atoms etc.
And what about GT86s or MX5s in terms of daily driving/mini-GT usage? Are these not 'drivers cars' either?
I did kind of mean what Rob is saying in that I was thinking about what you'd consider to be a useable car for normal road journeys, rather than a track special, though you're absolutely correct in that I didn't actually say that.
Certainly for me the MX-5 is getting a bit sensible these days and the GT86 doesn't do it for me.
No doubt someone does their shopping in an Atom or similar to make me wrong again!!!
Rawwr said:
Porsche911R said:
Did not take long, It's sad you fail on every level to debate a topic without going into personal attacks.
It's not an attack, I genuinely believe you're an idiot.MrDemon, your behaviour is flat-out unpleasant. Go crawl back under your bridge.
sidesauce said:
only brought those up as he specifically said "the only car left for sale today (Caterfield's excluded perhaps) that is 100% a drivers car" which didn't even take the cars I've mentioned into account neither did he say anything about day-to-day usability and as such it's a pretty sweeping statement; if he'd said, for example, "one of very few" there'd be no need for provisos whatsoever!
And what about GT86s or MX5s in terms of daily driving/mini-GT usage? Are these not 'drivers cars' either?
well caterham is essentially a Lotus anyway And what about GT86s or MX5s in terms of daily driving/mini-GT usage? Are these not 'drivers cars' either?
I wouldn't class the mx5 as a drivers car. I would class it as a i can't really afford or live with a drivers car and the mx5 is the best i can get that is also daily drivable and it will do car.
Edited by lotuslover69 on Thursday 18th July 15:44
I confess I've not tried a GT86, but I have driven several MX5s, MR2s, S2000s etc, and whilst I liked them all, I'd group them with Boxsters and Caymans - they're not in the same league as a Lotus for chassis tuning, feedback and involvement. Driving down a bumpy B road in an Elise is an experience everyone who loves driving should have - the way the car's wheels jiggle independently whilst the chassis stays planted is quite special, and is a behaviour that's been there in all Lotuses that I've driven: Esprit, Evora, 2-Eleven, both generations of Exige, and Elise. The delicate feedback coming at the driver equally from all four corners of the car is also pretty special and, in my opinion and experience, unique to Lotus.
I've driven road cars with better handling (it's hard to argue against the Cayman for this, or a Caterham), and I've driven cars that are more raw and instinctive (Caterham), and one hell of a lot faster (single seaters); but Lotuses really are special; they have their own niche. I'd liken a Porsche to listening to your favourite song on the radio, a Caterham to being at a rock concert, a single seater to playing on stage at a rock concert, and a Lotus to sitting at home listening to a studio recording on the best hi-fi money can buy. None is right or wrong, just different.
I've driven road cars with better handling (it's hard to argue against the Cayman for this, or a Caterham), and I've driven cars that are more raw and instinctive (Caterham), and one hell of a lot faster (single seaters); but Lotuses really are special; they have their own niche. I'd liken a Porsche to listening to your favourite song on the radio, a Caterham to being at a rock concert, a single seater to playing on stage at a rock concert, and a Lotus to sitting at home listening to a studio recording on the best hi-fi money can buy. None is right or wrong, just different.
ntiz said:
Cripes said:
ntiz said:
I just realised I started a debate with massive Porsche fanboy. Why do you have link to the Porsche website on your profile?
I love Porsche motor cars but i'm beginning to feel that as a company, they have a corporate responsibility for the metal wellbeing of some of their most zealous fans.Maybe they could contribute to some form of charitable institution which councells die hard fans and introduces them to the idea that other cars can and will exist, they might even be quite different and good for different reasons...
Group: Hi Ntiz!
It has been a whole hour since I told someone how much better the 911 is compared to anything ever in the history of man kind.
Group: loudly cheers and claps at my inner strength.
Edited by Cripes on Thursday 18th July 18:13
Terminator X said:
At what point would a human black out? I say this as my RS4 got to 60 in 3.3s and it literally made me dizzy trying.
Well the fastest top fuel dragsters can do 0-100 in about 0.8 seconds and the drivers don't (usually) pass out. If the acceleration is constant over that time (which it probably is, roughly), that would be 0-60 in half a second. The limit on human consciousness is about 5-6G for most people, which is roughly what that equates to.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 18th July 18:54
lotuslover69 said:
I wouldn't class the mx5 as a drivers car. I would class it as a i can't really afford or live with a drivers car and the mx5 is the best i can get that is also daily drivable and it will do car.
too harsh. all variants are great platforms for mods, esp suspension to eliminate that jinba ittai stuff (excessive roll in inglish)Edited by lotuslover69 on Thursday 18th July 15:44
some might say that mods are a different story, but when an mx5 costs from 1 - 25k, and extra 2-5k is nothing to build a true driver's car. i'd say a 15k nearly new ND with 7k of suspension and BBR tuning would be a great car. on my list in fact...
i've had 3 mx5s in various tunes and love them. the Elise sits in a different corner of the garage, along with others marques.
As Rob says, they're all different and that's half the fun.
Looks awesome. I personally don't have any interest in electric sports cars, seem great for a daily but not for making your balls tingle the way a n/a sports car can.
Clever move though by lotus, if they can sell enough of them to break even. They can then justify a huracán/ v8 ferrari price tag for a lower priced model in the future by having a halo car then I am all for it.
Clever move though by lotus, if they can sell enough of them to break even. They can then justify a huracán/ v8 ferrari price tag for a lower priced model in the future by having a halo car then I am all for it.
It is truly tiresome.
ANOTHER unobtanium special with stratospheric numbers and claims that will probably not see the light of day, one might say fake news.
Add in talk of the Nurburgring to finish it off and we have the standard process.
Next year it will run up the hill at Goodwood whilst a commentator who seems to know f
k all about anything before 1990 will quote said figures again as it farts it's way up the hill with another collection of cars to be never sold to anyone.
These cars, like the 918, LA, P1 and most of the modern st do little for me. They don't excite, they don't even make me want them and I can't really understand why. I could not afford a hypercar today but I am lucky can probably access most of them through people who can, friends but they also seem to never keep them that long, or use them much, or talk about them much after they sell them.
Odd as when they had them they were "the best car ever" but when they silently vanish from the garage they were flawed.
Modern motoring isn't about fun these days for many. It is about being a member of the 'can have' club, which falls on its face when you 'have' it seems to me.
ANOTHER unobtanium special with stratospheric numbers and claims that will probably not see the light of day, one might say fake news.
Add in talk of the Nurburgring to finish it off and we have the standard process.
Next year it will run up the hill at Goodwood whilst a commentator who seems to know f
k all about anything before 1990 will quote said figures again as it farts it's way up the hill with another collection of cars to be never sold to anyone. These cars, like the 918, LA, P1 and most of the modern s
t do little for me. They don't excite, they don't even make me want them and I can't really understand why. I could not afford a hypercar today but I am lucky can probably access most of them through people who can, friends but they also seem to never keep them that long, or use them much, or talk about them much after they sell them.Odd as when they had them they were "the best car ever" but when they silently vanish from the garage they were flawed.
Modern motoring isn't about fun these days for many. It is about being a member of the 'can have' club, which falls on its face when you 'have' it seems to me.
Porsche911R said:
Rawwr said:
Yes but you're quite demonstrably a complete f*cking idiot so if you think it's the wrong one then Lotus most likely has a bright future.
Did not take long, It's sad you fail on every level to debate a topic without going into personal attacks.crofty1984 said:
Porsche911R said:
Rawwr said:
Yes but you're quite demonstrably a complete f*cking idiot so if you think it's the wrong one then Lotus most likely has a bright future.
Did not take long, It's sad you fail on every level to debate a topic without going into personal attacks.Strong move that few people on here seem to understand.
They've saturated the drivers enthusiast market, do you think by making a new Elise they are going to suddenly attract thousands more customers? More like 3 more blokes that picked it over a Porsche.
This is a statement and I think if they build it, it will bring them new custom.
They've saturated the drivers enthusiast market, do you think by making a new Elise they are going to suddenly attract thousands more customers? More like 3 more blokes that picked it over a Porsche.
This is a statement and I think if they build it, it will bring them new custom.
Edited by Speed_Demon on Thursday 18th July 22:58
Europa1 said:
crofty1984 said:
Porsche911R said:
Rawwr said:
Yes but you're quite demonstrably a complete f*cking idiot so if you think it's the wrong one then Lotus most likely has a bright future.
Did not take long, It's sad you fail on every level to debate a topic without going into personal attacks.He is a Lotus wanabee really - he has checked out but can never leave
Back on topic - absolutely brilliant - next please bring on the new Esprit so I can return to the fold
Edited by Matty3 on Thursday 18th July 23:35
Speed_Demon said:
They've saturated the drivers enthusiast market, do you think by making a new Elise they are going to suddenly attract thousands more customers?.
Not sure that they've saturated it - plenty of lads want something like a Civic Type-R to impress their mates - Lotus' limitation for some time has been dealer network and public visibility. When your local 'car nut' stops to ask "so what's that then?", you know that brand awareness is not good for Lotus these days. And until the guy going to the Honda dealer can just as easily pass by a Lotus showroom, how many people ever actually find out just how damn good their cars are to drive?
Housey said:
as it farts it's way up the hill
As Baldchap said, it's fully electric, there's no air being moved/combusted to propel it so no, it will quite literally be not farting its way up any hill whatsoever.Housey said:
These cars, like the 918, LA, P1 and most of the modern st do little for me. They don't excite, they don't even make me want them and I can't really understand why. I could not afford a hypercar today but I am lucky can probably access most of them through people who can, friends but they also seem to never keep them that long, or use them much, or talk about them much after they sell them.
Well, I don't care for most of the old st do little for me. They don't excite, they don't even make me want them and I can't really understand why. I could not afford a hypercar today but I am lucky can probably access most of them through people who can, friends but they also seem to never keep them that long, or use them much, or talk about them much after they sell them.t but the 3 you've mentioned do do it for me and even if I'm not in the habit of keeping things for very long I still would enjoy any of them (or indeed this Lotus, or the new Ferrari SF90, or the Rimac Model Two, or a Konigsegg Regera etc) for the time I had them. They're obviously not for you and there's an entire plethora of cars at many price points can buy secondhand and enjoy - I can appreciate that people have different things that appeal to them.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff