Bad crash at my local boy racer meet
Discussion
matjk said:
I wasn’t there fortunately, the “meet” is about 1/3mile from my house and I live on the road it’s takes place on. The accident point is on my evening dog walking route as there’s a path that runs next to the road up a 50ft bank.
There would have been a good 200 spectators, is it likely the police would bother trying to prosecute any of them ?
Everyone is up in arms now as there have been complaints for months now and knew this was going to happen yet nothing was done to stop it !
What I couldn’t understand is why they didn’t covertly record the goings on ( plain clothes with camcorder or phone) then send out NIPs in the post , just a few handed out would have sent a shockwave around the drivers and nipped it in the bud
This. There would have been a good 200 spectators, is it likely the police would bother trying to prosecute any of them ?
Everyone is up in arms now as there have been complaints for months now and knew this was going to happen yet nothing was done to stop it !
What I couldn’t understand is why they didn’t covertly record the goings on ( plain clothes with camcorder or phone) then send out NIPs in the post , just a few handed out would have sent a shockwave around the drivers and nipped it in the bud
The police have the resources to plaster the country with fixed and mobile cameras, but they can’t get round to deploying one where there is provable stupid driving and (according to the post quoted) loads of complaints.
Unmarked car, loads of blue lights, first bloke doing > 45 gets handed three points, and gets taken to the cleaners for undeclared mods.
But that will never happen because all of their resources are out nicking yummy mummies for doing 35 in a 30 coming back from the school run, or finding criminals who have insured their car for SD&P, and are driving to work in it.
The real problem for car enthusiasts is that meets will now be closed down (far too dangerous), and that’s probably the only place that a lot of people can actually be enthusiastic about cars. There is nothing wrong with meets - there is a lot wrong with idiots being stupid in powerful cars.
PorkRind said:
Darwinism at its finest, as harsh as that may sound..
Harsh, but I do agree. When i've attended these meets I never stand near the exits/along the roads. There's far too many idiots with a point to prove. I remember being at Gaydon once and nearly getting totaled by some knob who span a DB9.I have been to this meet a few times over the last few years in various locations, this is just down the road from me too. To begin with, most people were well behaved and there was never any hint of such driving.
After not going for a couple of years, I visited a few months back and couldn't believe the behavior of those charging up and down that road. I didn't feel comfortable and left soon after with no plans to return. I'm amazed it's taken this long to happen
After not going for a couple of years, I visited a few months back and couldn't believe the behavior of those charging up and down that road. I didn't feel comfortable and left soon after with no plans to return. I'm amazed it's taken this long to happen
There’s a video showing the incident from the other side of the road. The Toyota appears to be drifting (or rather attempting to drift) along the exit road from the car park up to junction. Stops momentarily - view is restricted by people on the corner - proceeds anyway - along comes Nissan at what looks like quite a lot more than 40mph. Nissan careers into the crowd of people standing on the central reservation. Toyota is pushed to the left and appears to hit people standing on the pavement.
Lots of people are at fault here, in my eyes, and have questions to answer:
- ‘Cruise’ organisers. It’s obvious to anyone with half a brain that people leaving the cruise don’t just pootle off home. They do several ‘laps’ getting increasingly excited with each lap as the crowd grows. People end up standing on the corner, restricting the view from the junction. The obvious thing to do would have been to at least try and to prevent people standing right on the corner with some cones or something. No sign of any attempt to do that.
- Drivers - obviously. Could the Toyota driver see anything, or was he just judging when to proceed form the junction based on the throw of headlights from approaching cars. Nissan driver’s speed appeared to be excessive (ie above that used by most others) and therefore exacerbated the visibility issue, and also the consequences of any accident.
- Spectators - people standing on the corner contributed to this by restricting visibility from the junction. Someone with half a brain would think, we are in the way here, we are making this even more dangerous than it already was. People standing close to the road (central reservation or pavement) whilst this was happening have to have some personal responsibility for their own safety.
- Police (Government) - Why has this sort of thing been allowed to become common place. Get a f
king grip.
Lots of people are at fault here, in my eyes, and have questions to answer:
- ‘Cruise’ organisers. It’s obvious to anyone with half a brain that people leaving the cruise don’t just pootle off home. They do several ‘laps’ getting increasingly excited with each lap as the crowd grows. People end up standing on the corner, restricting the view from the junction. The obvious thing to do would have been to at least try and to prevent people standing right on the corner with some cones or something. No sign of any attempt to do that.
- Drivers - obviously. Could the Toyota driver see anything, or was he just judging when to proceed form the junction based on the throw of headlights from approaching cars. Nissan driver’s speed appeared to be excessive (ie above that used by most others) and therefore exacerbated the visibility issue, and also the consequences of any accident.
- Spectators - people standing on the corner contributed to this by restricting visibility from the junction. Someone with half a brain would think, we are in the way here, we are making this even more dangerous than it already was. People standing close to the road (central reservation or pavement) whilst this was happening have to have some personal responsibility for their own safety.
- Police (Government) - Why has this sort of thing been allowed to become common place. Get a f
king grip.Riley Blue said:
Would the event organisers, 'Cruise-Herts' according to the BBC, be culpable to some degree?
This feels like it's in a grey area between a social gathering and an organised public event. If it were a public event, then I think the organisers would definitely have been cuplable, maybe criminally, if they hadn't notified the police/council/got a permit/got the roads closed, and not risk assessed/kept spectators away from the road. If the police wanted to crack down on all car meets, then going after the organisers and the spectators would probably have a bigger effect than going after the drivers.
Hungrymc said:
MaxSo said:
It’s utterly shameful that these kind of events, on public roads, can be allowed to happen on a regular basis. A lack of police resources is undoubtedly, IMO, a contributory factor here.
Resources or priorities? Wonder why they don’t send a camera van (although it would not be well received). Munter said:
I mentioned earlier. There's a High Court injunction in the west midlands. It's pushed it out of this area mostly. So for me it's got to be priorities, other areas simply don't prioritise shutting this down, or getting the powers in place to really trouble people involved, before someone get's hurt.
If week 2, the police turned up and issued everybody driving like a muppet/there for the cruise with a £2000 fine. Week 3 wouldn't happen.
The powers that be in that area, just need to be incentivised to do it.
only last sunday were "the races" raided in Birmingham and a load of spectators were arrested too. The injunction hasn't really done anything, hence why the A38 and nechells are a race track every sunday. If week 2, the police turned up and issued everybody driving like a muppet/there for the cruise with a £2000 fine. Week 3 wouldn't happen.
The powers that be in that area, just need to be incentivised to do it.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-new...
Echoing a few thoughts above and there's plenty of blame to go around - but seems pretty clear cut to me.
When you drive a car, you make the decisions using your judgement, for better or worse. It's not the spectators, the cruise organisers, the police or KFC (as someone mentioned above) it's the people behind the wheel.
The driver of the 350Z is at fault for driving at a speed that clearly wasn't appropriate to the situation. Forget the speed limit, it's immaterial. With folk lining the roads like that the appropriate speed is 10, or 20, not 40 or 70 or whatever the hell he was doing.
The driver of the GT86 is also at fault. I've seen the footage from the drivers side of the car and he pulled out without looking right. With an obstructed view he should have been looking right and 'creeping' not looking left and booting.
A night of people making poor choices and I hope all those injured get back on their feet soon. For those of us who enjoy driving cars appropriately, this is just another nail in the coffin. Get out there and enjoy your car while you can, because the bds are coming for it (in part, thanks to d*ckheads like these).
When you drive a car, you make the decisions using your judgement, for better or worse. It's not the spectators, the cruise organisers, the police or KFC (as someone mentioned above) it's the people behind the wheel.
The driver of the 350Z is at fault for driving at a speed that clearly wasn't appropriate to the situation. Forget the speed limit, it's immaterial. With folk lining the roads like that the appropriate speed is 10, or 20, not 40 or 70 or whatever the hell he was doing.
The driver of the GT86 is also at fault. I've seen the footage from the drivers side of the car and he pulled out without looking right. With an obstructed view he should have been looking right and 'creeping' not looking left and booting.
A night of people making poor choices and I hope all those injured get back on their feet soon. For those of us who enjoy driving cars appropriately, this is just another nail in the coffin. Get out there and enjoy your car while you can, because the b
ds are coming for it (in part, thanks to d*ckheads like these). I've been to a few meets over the years (not at the one in question) and it is indeed a case of a significant number (not just a few) that ruin it for all the genuine enthusiasts.
Even when the event meeting rules stipulate that there should be no burn-outs, drifting, pointless engine revving etc. etc. .. there are always those that turn up and simply couldn't give a shyte.
For those types its all about them, in their selfish eyes everyone else is there purely there to appreciate them and nobody else.
And its no wonder when they go to show off "their great driving skills", when all they seem to do is possess the ability to put the accelerator to the floor, its inevitable that stupid stuff will happen.
I went to attend one of the early Gumball events back in the day - it was my one and only attendance as I was shocked at how many idiots there were. Similar to modern car meets, these events do not seem to attract enthusiasts, they seem to attract the morons who are only focussed on people paying them attention, mostly when people point phones at them.
I can only remember one or two events that I attended where the atmosphere was great and when those attended where genuine car enthusiasts. Its now been a good number of years since I've attended any such events and its sad to see that things have not got any better.
As mentioned, its always the retards that ruin it for the rest. And there will surely be the knee jerk reaction that will have a punishing effect on the enthusiasts.
Even when the event meeting rules stipulate that there should be no burn-outs, drifting, pointless engine revving etc. etc. .. there are always those that turn up and simply couldn't give a shyte.
For those types its all about them, in their selfish eyes everyone else is there purely there to appreciate them and nobody else.
And its no wonder when they go to show off "their great driving skills", when all they seem to do is possess the ability to put the accelerator to the floor, its inevitable that stupid stuff will happen.
I went to attend one of the early Gumball events back in the day - it was my one and only attendance as I was shocked at how many idiots there were. Similar to modern car meets, these events do not seem to attract enthusiasts, they seem to attract the morons who are only focussed on people paying them attention, mostly when people point phones at them.
I can only remember one or two events that I attended where the atmosphere was great and when those attended where genuine car enthusiasts. Its now been a good number of years since I've attended any such events and its sad to see that things have not got any better.
As mentioned, its always the retards that ruin it for the rest. And there will surely be the knee jerk reaction that will have a punishing effect on the enthusiasts.
rxe said:
matjk said:
I wasn’t there fortunately, the “meet” is about 1/3mile from my house and I live on the road it’s takes place on. The accident point is on my evening dog walking route as there’s a path that runs next to the road up a 50ft bank.
There would have been a good 200 spectators, is it likely the police would bother trying to prosecute any of them ?
Everyone is up in arms now as there have been complaints for months now and knew this was going to happen yet nothing was done to stop it !
What I couldn’t understand is why they didn’t covertly record the goings on ( plain clothes with camcorder or phone) then send out NIPs in the post , just a few handed out would have sent a shockwave around the drivers and nipped it in the bud
This. There would have been a good 200 spectators, is it likely the police would bother trying to prosecute any of them ?
Everyone is up in arms now as there have been complaints for months now and knew this was going to happen yet nothing was done to stop it !
What I couldn’t understand is why they didn’t covertly record the goings on ( plain clothes with camcorder or phone) then send out NIPs in the post , just a few handed out would have sent a shockwave around the drivers and nipped it in the bud
The police have the resources to plaster the country with fixed and mobile cameras, but they can’t get round to deploying one where there is provable stupid driving and (according to the post quoted) loads of complaints.
Unmarked car, loads of blue lights, first bloke doing > 45 gets handed three points, and gets taken to the cleaners for undeclared mods.
But that will never happen because all of their resources are out nicking yummy mummies for doing 35 in a 30 coming back from the school run, or finding criminals who have insured their car for SD&P, and are driving to work in it.
Its not the Police that put the speed cameras up afaik.
Have you ever been an officer or worked for the Police, I did 12 years for Greater Manchester Police, as a civilian but you deal with the front line officers and get to know what goes on, it was an eye opener.
The Police are generally pulling their tripe out dealing with domestics, theft, car crashes, kids causing agro, criminal damage, concern for welfare jobs, pissed up folk, drugs, stabbings, petty neighbor disputes etc etc etc.
There will be an car to cover a large area, maybe a couple, traffic cars but only so many on duty, if they have to deal with a domestic, then they cant be sorting out a cruise, which is, to be fair hundreds of people and loads of fast cars vs 2 coppers in a van or a diesel Astra, they cant be in two places at once, they go and sort it out and get jeered at, then have to leave due to another shout and it all continues unabated.
Those folk chose to do that, chose to drive at speed when its busy with people stood all over, those people chose to stand on the central reservation whilst fast cars get flogged past them, inches away, with no barrier, the Police cant sort that out, not without it being targeted, and then something else loses focus. they are either acused of heavy handedness or not doing anything.
It will still happen though, maybe a bit subdued for a while but will soon be back to normal, as the desire to show off and the excitement is more compelling than the outside chance of playing skittles with spectators, and they want to see it despite the chance of being hit.
Don’t drive like a .
If you do, hurt yourself and others then it’s YOUR fault.
Not the police for “letting” you have a cruise, not the Police or local gov for not shutting down your stty car meet.
Accept the responsibility, you the driver chose to drive in a manner that resulted in injury to others. No one forced you too.
.If you do, hurt yourself and others then it’s YOUR fault.
Not the police for “letting” you have a cruise, not the Police or local gov for not shutting down your s
tty car meet.Accept the responsibility, you the driver chose to drive in a manner that resulted in injury to others. No one forced you too.
My 2ps..
If you go to these events don't be shocked if you get into an accident "that's not your fault".
Would you go and stand in the middle of the M25 "for fun" on a Thursday night. No you would not.
Looked to me like the car with right of way was doing about 60. Then hard braking at the last second, speed of impact was probably 40 ish which hopefully will mean everyone will survive.
I doubt the courts will do much tbh. Anyone read the case recently of the 18 y/o Met police officers son who crashed his dads Audi into 2 guys fatally injuring them? His punishment for killing 2 guys whilst high on drugs? 100 hours community service.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9160265/police-offic...
If you go to these events don't be shocked if you get into an accident "that's not your fault".
Would you go and stand in the middle of the M25 "for fun" on a Thursday night. No you would not.
Looked to me like the car with right of way was doing about 60. Then hard braking at the last second, speed of impact was probably 40 ish which hopefully will mean everyone will survive.
I doubt the courts will do much tbh. Anyone read the case recently of the 18 y/o Met police officers son who crashed his dads Audi into 2 guys fatally injuring them? His punishment for killing 2 guys whilst high on drugs? 100 hours community service.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9160265/police-offic...
Hazmat1 said:
Don’t drive like a .
If you do, hurt yourself and others then it’s YOUR fault.
Not the police for “letting” you have a cruise, not the Police or local gov for not shutting down your stty car meet.
Accept the responsibility, you the driver chose to drive in a manner that resulted in injury to others. No one forced you too.
You're so right, but in todays society it always has to be someones else's fault, Police, Council, Schools etc etc..If you do, hurt yourself and others then it’s YOUR fault.
Not the police for “letting” you have a cruise, not the Police or local gov for not shutting down your s
tty car meet.Accept the responsibility, you the driver chose to drive in a manner that resulted in injury to others. No one forced you too.
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