Bad crash at my local boy racer meet

[ntiz]

I can safely say that when I have shown my cars to my friends it hasn’t involved punting it up a road in the middle of a town or a couple 100 people watching in close proximity.

I have done some mad driving on the road but the only neck I have risked is my own.

It’s not mates getting together to have fun it’s showing off to a crowd of random people.

You mention having marshals let you up the strip (public road) they do this it’s called Santa Pod. It sounds like you want road racing events which is full blown motorsport.

[over_the_hill]

Tyre Smoke said:

ashleyman said:

How do the Police determine which people are there for the meet and who just happened to be passing through?

Prime example is the Reading meet, it's in a retail park that opens late. Someone like me who has a 'fast' car but doesn't attend meets might happen to stop off to pick up takeaway or visit a store whilst the meet is underway. I wouldn't be happy to be lumped in with them just because of the car I drive.

How do Police ensure the injunction isn't abused and innocents are fined or reported?

Because you are unlikely to he in the thick of it, and are walking towards your car with a bag full of Primark goodness or Rajput curry.

Plod aren't totally stupid.

Perhaps on spotting this on the approach common sense might tell you to give the shopping a miss that night or to use a different takeaway. It's a bit like people who "apparently" quite innocently get caught up in the middle of a riot while just "passing through".

If I turned a corner and saw a riot going on I wouldn't be carrying on down the road. I'd be heading back in the opposite direction and taking the long way home.

[SOL111]

GEllisM4 said:

SOL111 said:

If you think the bad apple in this case was the guy not checking the junction then I think you're already lost.

Why not start again.

Forgot that you’ve never exceeded the speed limit once in your life ha

Of course I have but doing 70mph whilst putting people's lives in danger is way beyond what one would consider 'being young once'.

Sorry but you've got no argument here.

[fatboy18]

GEllisM4 said:

After reading a couple of pages of this forum, it shocks me how anti car community this forum has become.

I’m 19 and honestly I don’t believe anyone on this forum remembers being a teenager. I own a powerful car for my age and have driven many other powerful cars, however I am not stupid when it comes to car events.

When going to these meets, I go to see friends and look/hear other people’s cars. The amounts of friends I have made at these meets is unbelievable. Great way to meet new people and see new builds and cars.

Naturally, like any spectator event. Golf, tennis, cricket, there are some bad apples that take it a little too far and make it a bit more dangerous than it should be. Not checking when coming out of junctions in this case...

I do think the council should provide an area where likeminded people can share there passion for cars... Disused car park, why not make it into an organised event the police won’t raid every weekend? Organised properly with volunteer Marshall’s telling cars when they are allowed to race up the strip or not... just throwing it out there as an idea.

If anyone has the guts to tell me on this forum that they’ve never as a young person, wanted to show people their car and let people hear their new golf R etc, you’re a liar. Wouldn’t be on this forum or not.

I do think some people when they hit a certain age forget about being young, and begin to hate on the young. ‘Stupid 4 cylinders’ ‘leased golf R’ ‘S3 fart box’

Yes people enjoy their cars now and some people take it too far sometimes, however this event does not warrant meets being faced with £2000 fines for attending as I think mentioned above.

I work hard through the week to be able to pay for everything I have, and on a weekend I owe it to myself to enjoy my things and my car with friends.

Think about how many meets will go on EVERY night in England. How many deaths has there been this year???

Not many. Why should everyone be punished for a motor incident? People of all ages crash their cars everyday.

Hope this will get everyone to have a little think for a moment...

I gree with almost everything you said.... But... The guy in the black car ragging it sideways on the way up to the exit, stopping for a split second then hoofing it (looking at the Video footage, He did not look right) and pulled way into the path of the other car. Now don't get me wrong, testosterone must have been running high, but he cocked up big time!

There are a lot of posts on here that are clearly from either Non car owners or people that hate any level of modified car!

[marksx]

fatboy18 said:

I gree with almost everything you said.... But... The guy in the black car ragging it sideways on the way up to the exit, stopping for a split second then hoofing it (looking at the Video footage, He did not look right) and pulled way into the path of the other car. Now don't get me wrong, testosterone must have been running high, but he cocked up big time!

There are a lot of posts on here that are clearly from either Non car owners or people that hate any level of modified car!

It's an increasingly large group of aging men who think if you can't buy it from a dealer for a big wad of cash it must be wrong.

[98elise]

GEllisM4 said:

After reading a couple of pages of this forum, it shocks me how anti car community this forum has become.

I’m 19 and honestly I don’t believe anyone on this forum remembers being a teenager. I own a powerful car for my age and have driven many other powerful cars, however I am not stupid when it comes to car events.

When going to these meets, I go to see friends and look/hear other people’s cars. The amounts of friends I have made at these meets is unbelievable. Great way to meet new people and see new builds and cars.

Naturally, like any spectator event. Golf, tennis, cricket, there are some bad apples that take it a little too far and make it a bit more dangerous than it should be. Not checking when coming out of junctions in this case...

I do think the council should provide an area where likeminded people can share there passion for cars... Disused car park, why not make it into an organised event the police won’t raid every weekend? Organised properly with volunteer Marshall’s telling cars when they are allowed to race up the strip or not... just throwing it out there as an idea.

If anyone has the guts to tell me on this forum that they’ve never as a young person, wanted to show people their car and let people hear their new golf R etc, you’re a liar. Wouldn’t be on this forum or not.

I do think some people when they hit a certain age forget about being young, and begin to hate on the young. ‘Stupid 4 cylinders’ ‘leased golf R’ ‘S3 fart box’

Yes people enjoy their cars now and some people take it too far sometimes, however this event does not warrant meets being faced with £2000 fines for attending as I think mentioned above.

I work hard through the week to be able to pay for everything I have, and on a weekend I owe it to myself to enjoy my things and my car with friends.

Think about how many meets will go on EVERY night in England. How many deaths has there been this year???

Not many. Why should everyone be punished for a motor incident? People of all ages crash their cars everyday.

Hope this will get everyone to have a little think for a moment...

I don't remember meeting up with mates to drift, street race, or doughnut around car parks. Plenty of meets and events manage to function up and down the country without the various antics that make news headlines.

I assume by council provided facilities, you mean paid for by the tax payer? There are plenty of Motorsport events you can attend and do what every you want to, as long as you don't object to paying.

I personally wouldn't want to see meets, events etc banned, but the simple thing is people have to stop using it as an excuse to drive like a cock on public roads. The rest of us don't have to adjust to the whims of the few, especially if they expect us to pay for it.

[xx99xx]

GEllisM4 said:

Naturally, like any spectator event. Golf, tennis, cricket, there are some bad apples that take it a little too far and make it a bit more dangerous than it should be.

I do think the council should provide an area where likeminded people can share there passion for cars...

I can't recall a single golf, tennis or cricket event in the history of those sports, that has been made dangerous by some 'bad apples'. Also, 'an area where likeminded people can share their passion for cars = a track day. If you can afford those powerful cars then you can afford to use a proper race track.

[Ed Moses]

GEllisM4 said:

After reading a couple of pages of this forum, it shocks me how anti car community this forum has become.

I’m 19 and honestly I don’t believe anyone on this forum remembers being a teenager. I own a powerful car for my age and have driven many other powerful cars, however I am not stupid when it comes to car events.

When going to these meets, I go to see friends and look/hear other people’s cars. The amounts of friends I have made at these meets is unbelievable. Great way to meet new people and see new builds and cars.

Naturally, like any spectator event. Golf, tennis, cricket, there are some bad apples that take it a little too far and make it a bit more dangerous than it should be. Not checking when coming out of junctions in this case...

I do think the council should provide an area where likeminded people can share there passion for cars... Disused car park, why not make it into an organised event the police won’t raid every weekend? Organised properly with volunteer Marshall’s telling cars when they are allowed to race up the strip or not... just throwing it out there as an idea.

If anyone has the guts to tell me on this forum that they’ve never as a young person, wanted to show people their car and let people hear their new golf R etc, you’re a liar. Wouldn’t be on this forum or not.

I do think some people when they hit a certain age forget about being young, and begin to hate on the young. ‘Stupid 4 cylinders’ ‘leased golf R’ ‘S3 fart box’

Yes people enjoy their cars now and some people take it too far sometimes, however this event does not warrant meets being faced with £2000 fines for attending as I think mentioned above.

I work hard through the week to be able to pay for everything I have, and on a weekend I owe it to myself to enjoy my things and my car with friends.

Think about how many meets will go on EVERY night in England. How many deaths has there been this year???

Not many. Why should everyone be punished for a motor incident? People of all ages crash their cars everyday.

Hope this will get everyone to have a little think for a moment...

Well said.

[GetCarter]

GEllisM4 said:

...the council should provide an area where likeminded people can share there passion for cars...

FFS (on so many levels).

[GEllisM4]

xx99xx said:

I can't recall a single golf, tennis or cricket event in the history of those sports, that has been made dangerous by some 'bad apples'. Also, 'an area where likeminded people can share their passion for cars = a track day. If you can afford those powerful cars then you can afford to use a proper race track.

Unfortunately no tracks are open late at night when most people are not at work. Further to that, not everyone fancies paying for a track day and then track day insurance on top of that.

What I was meaning about golf, cricket etc... bad apples is that you always get someone who gets aggressive in a crowd or takes something too far. Didn’t mean literally, someone in the crowd at a golf event drifting around...

[Alucidnation]

Looks to me like Gellis is a 'partaker' in these awesome gatherings and is concerned for their demise.

[GEllisM4]

SOL111 said:

Of course I have but doing 70mph whilst putting people's lives in danger is way beyond what one would consider 'being young once'.

Sorry but you've got no argument here.

Are you trying to imply that because you think you’re correct and I’m wrong that I have no reason to be commenting on here?

Using classic PH logic, you’ve admitted to speeding. You were putting lives in danger.

[GEllisM4]

98elise said:

I don't remember meeting up with mates to drift, street race, or doughnut around car parks. Plenty of meets and events manage to function up and down the country without the various antics that make news headlines.

I assume by council provided facilities, you mean paid for by the tax payer? There are plenty of Motorsport events you can attend and do what every you want to, as long as you don't object to paying.

I personally wouldn't want to see meets, events etc banned, but the simple thing is people have to stop using it as an excuse to drive like a cock on public roads. The rest of us don't have to adjust to the whims of the few, especially if they expect us to pay for it.

Considering I used the word ‘volunteer’... there will be no additional costs to the tax payer.

[slipstream 1985]

I think apart from the original tvr group of pistonheads of old a much higher percentage of pistonheads users have come from their local car cruising scene. It was huge back in the early 00s.

The only saving grace was that no one had recording equiptment at hand like today. The things that went on at cruises only got reported by fast car or max power so you had to be into it to know about it. Rarely a local newspaper would get involved if something big had gone wrong but like all local news it is forgotton about after a while.

I am no innocent wise old pistonheads poster here I did some extrememly stupid stuff when younger in cars and not getting caught or just being lucky got me through alot of them.

I remember the days of convoying to cruises on the motorways and duel carrageways at whatever max speed your car could do 93mph in my 1.4 clio.
Finding deseerted roads with mates that had a bump in it and going max speed to get air etc.

Money is easier to come by nowadays big loans hire purchase balloon payments etc.

[RemyMartin81D]

Julian Thompson said:

GEllisM4 said:

After reading a couple of pages of this forum, it shocks me how anti car community this forum has become.

I’m 19 and honestly I don’t believe anyone on this forum remembers being a teenager. I own a powerful car for my age and have driven many other powerful cars, however I am not stupid when it comes to car events.

When going to these meets, I go to see friends and look/hear other people’s cars. The amounts of friends I have made at these meets is unbelievable. Great way to meet new people and see new builds and cars.

Naturally, like any spectator event. Golf, tennis, cricket, there are some bad apples that take it a little too far and make it a bit more dangerous than it should be. Not checking when coming out of junctions in this case...

I do think the council should provide an area where likeminded people can share there passion for cars... Disused car park, why not make it into an organised event the police won’t raid every weekend? Organised properly with volunteer Marshall’s telling cars when they are allowed to race up the strip or not... just throwing it out there as an idea.

If anyone has the guts to tell me on this forum that they’ve never as a young person, wanted to show people their car and let people hear their new golf R etc, you’re a liar. Wouldn’t be on this forum or not.

I do think some people when they hit a certain age forget about being young, and begin to hate on the young. ‘Stupid 4 cylinders’ ‘leased golf R’ ‘S3 fart box’

Yes people enjoy their cars now and some people take it too far sometimes, however this event does not warrant meets being faced with £2000 fines for attending as I think mentioned above.

I work hard through the week to be able to pay for everything I have, and on a weekend I owe it to myself to enjoy my things and my car with friends.

Think about how many meets will go on EVERY night in England. How many deaths has there been this year???

Not many. Why should everyone be punished for a motor incident? People of all ages crash their cars everyday.

Hope this will get everyone to have a little think for a moment...

I think it’s great to hear the view of someone younger. Thanks for posting.

In other news, 19 year old try hard, thinks he knows more than people with double if not triple his life experiences.

Why should the council provide something? In your own words you work hard, so why not go on a track day where you can drive as hard as you want, I mean you have the funds....from working hard.

[Driver101]

GEllisM4 said:

After reading a couple of pages of this forum, it shocks me how anti car community this forum has become.

I’m 19 and honestly I don’t believe anyone on this forum remembers being a teenager. I own a powerful car for my age and have driven many other powerful cars, however I am not stupid when it comes to car events.

When going to these meets, I go to see friends and look/hear other people’s cars. The amounts of friends I have made at these meets is unbelievable. Great way to meet new people and see new builds and cars.

Naturally, like any spectator event. Golf, tennis, cricket, there are some bad apples that take it a little too far and make it a bit more dangerous than it should be. Not checking when coming out of junctions in this case...

I do think the council should provide an area where likeminded people can share there passion for cars... Disused car park, why not make it into an organised event the police won’t raid every weekend? Organised properly with volunteer Marshall’s telling cars when they are allowed to race up the strip or not... just throwing it out there as an idea.

If anyone has the guts to tell me on this forum that they’ve never as a young person, wanted to show people their car and let people hear their new golf R etc, you’re a liar. Wouldn’t be on this forum or not.

I do think some people when they hit a certain age forget about being young, and begin to hate on the young. ‘Stupid 4 cylinders’ ‘leased golf R’ ‘S3 fart box’

Yes people enjoy their cars now and some people take it too far sometimes, however this event does not warrant meets being faced with £2000 fines for attending as I think mentioned above.

I work hard through the week to be able to pay for everything I have, and on a weekend I owe it to myself to enjoy my things and my car with friends.

Think about how many meets will go on EVERY night in England. How many deaths has there been this year???

Not many. Why should everyone be punished for a motor incident? People of all ages crash their cars everyday.

Hope this will get everyone to have a little think for a moment...

There is plenty of places you can pay to use your car. The council don't own most of the car parks and even still they shouldn't be giving land away for free.

Organised motorsport venues and events are struggling. People want everything for free.

I've seen these boy racer meets take over retail park car parks. It intimidates customers and the shops were forced to close early. It shouldn't be allowed to happen.

Also let's not pretend all the antics are confined to the car park. More nonsense goes on with all the cars traveling to and from the car parks.

Edited by Driver101 on Sunday 21st July 18:20

[loskie]

GEllisM4 said:

GetCarter said:

The wisdom of a 19 year old.

Oh I see, you want a biased forum with just your thoughts and no other contribution?

Have you not heard of MSA (sorry MotorsportUK) accredited car clubs?

All types of events run for a wide variety of budgets, autosolos, autotests, grass tests, trials, targa rallies, 12 car and road rallies (they maybe on thin ice IMHO)

What makes you think the council should pay for and provide a location for these events you speak of?
If the young lads and lassies can afford to barry up their cars they should be able to afford to pay an entry and membership fee.
Would be interested to see how many of these cars are correctly insured.
BUT even if correctly insured in this incident that would be negated by using hem for racing and speed trials.

You do sound like a wee huffy teenager though GEllisM4. You have a lot of life lessons to learn.

[marksx]

RemyMartin81D said:

In other news, 19 year old try hard, thinks he knows more than people with double if not triple his life experiences.

Why should the council provide something? In your own words you work hard, so why not go on a track day where you can drive as hard as you want, I mean you have the funds....from working hard.

fking hell. What a condescending post.
In other news. Old bloke thinks he's seen everything.

[GEllisM4]

RemyMartin81D said:

In other news, 19 year old try hard, thinks he knows more than people with double if not triple his life experiences.

Why should the council provide something? In your own words you work hard, so why not go on a track day where you can drive as hard as you want, I mean you have the funds....from working hard.

a bitter response from yourself. Yeah maybe I am a try hard, I like to have nice things and the only way to have them is to ‘try hard’...? If you take issue with that, you’ve got problems.

Why is it that I’m not allowed to ask/suggest that the council provide something? I pay tax as well as yourself... why do you have a sudden right over me to suggest use of funds when you can? I pay tax, you pay tax. You have no right over me when it comes to how much more your money is worth because you’ve been on the planet triple the more years than me.

Didn’t realise tax money was worth more when you get older???

[Driver101]

GEllisM4 said:

a bitter response from yourself. Yeah maybe I am a try hard, I like to have nice things and the only way to have them is to ‘try hard’...? If you take issue with that, you’ve got problems.

Why is it that I’m not allowed to ask/suggest that the council provide something? I pay tax as well as yourself... why do you have a sudden right over me to suggest use of funds when you can? I pay tax, you pay tax. You have no right over me when it comes to how much more your money is worth because you’ve been on the planet triple the more years than me.

Didn’t realise tax money was worth more when you get older???

Unless your council is different from most they are probably skint.

Why would they prioritise a large amount of money to a tiny amount of people? You tax contributions won't come close to the cost of having a car park suitable for car events.

Why would they actively encourage antisocial driving into their council anyway? My local council and police detest the boy racer meeting that come here due to the amount of issues It causes.