Bad crash at my local boy racer meet
Discussion
unbiased said:
Skyedriver said:
unbiased said:
Agreed.
To be honest, it's nigh on impossible to stop these events so the OPs suggestion seems a sensible way to give a level of safety - for both participants and the general public.
It will likely cost. But what doesn't.
It's nigh on impossible to stop young people knifing each other and shooting each other.To be honest, it's nigh on impossible to stop these events so the OPs suggestion seems a sensible way to give a level of safety - for both participants and the general public.
It will likely cost. But what doesn't.
Should we set up an area for that to happen too?
There already are perfectly decent, safely organised, away from the general public, events organised by the MSA should you want to compete against others. These vary from multiple vehicle events like races to one at a time events like hillclimbs, sprints, drag races etc
MSA is one, or Spedeworth or BRISCA too if you fancy stock car racing.
I don't fancy any of that, but I'm not attending these events.
The OP has proposed a solution. It may have legs, it may not.
Tracks are all well and good, but they're a distance away, they cost a lot, and often require a day off work. Hence why 'cruises' happen.
dme123 said:
TBF the council always finds the money to put out facilities for travellers. Boy racers may actually pay some tax, are not half so anti social, and tend not to spread detritus and crime for 10 miles in every direction from wherever they are...
Sadly you will find that this is a legal requirement, the council will have no choice.GEllisM4 said:
Yes, thank you. That’s what I’ve been trying to get at.
Separate the general public from car lovers who can enjoy their cars in a designated space.
Sadly as suggested by another poster about going to SantaPod or a race track, sadly neither me or lots of other people live near Santapod or any other race tracks/raceways so they aren’t really a viable alternative.
SantaPod is around 3 hours away from me and the nearest racetrack (that I’m aware of) is Donington which is around 2 hours away
Half the boy racers that turn up to big meets in car parks aren't local either. Big meets are coordinated on social media and car forums with people willing to travel for hours. Separate the general public from car lovers who can enjoy their cars in a designated space.
Sadly as suggested by another poster about going to SantaPod or a race track, sadly neither me or lots of other people live near Santapod or any other race tracks/raceways so they aren’t really a viable alternative.
SantaPod is around 3 hours away from me and the nearest racetrack (that I’m aware of) is Donington which is around 2 hours away
You can bet if there was free facilities to come rag cars people would be travelling similar distances.
Councils aren't going to build suitable facilities in every town. You're expectations are just silly.
You don't sound much of a "car lover" when things car enthusiasts are happy to do are too much effort for you.
Edited by Driver101 on Sunday 21st July 19:46
dme123 said:
TBF the council always finds the money to put out facilities for travellers. Boy racers may actually pay some tax, are not half so anti social, and tend not to spread detritus and crime for 10 miles in every direction from wherever they are...
Councils have a legal responsibility to provide "traveller" facilities. There’s a lot of snobbery going on in this thread.
Older people somehow thinking more years on the earth gives them a god given right to talk down to younger people and rubbish their opinions based on age alone.
People banging on about loud exhausts which have pretty much zero relevance to the fact this happened.
People who are apparently petrol heads doing their best anti-petrol-head impersonations.
There is only two people to blame for this outcome ... the driver doing 70 in a 40 when there are people lining the streets and the driver who pulled out without looking.
Some posters really ought to get off their high horses. Isn’t there a cross-stitch club you might be better as a member of? Think some of outgrown their “hobby” but forgot to move on so just post bitterness and snobbish replies.
Older people somehow thinking more years on the earth gives them a god given right to talk down to younger people and rubbish their opinions based on age alone.
People banging on about loud exhausts which have pretty much zero relevance to the fact this happened.
People who are apparently petrol heads doing their best anti-petrol-head impersonations.
There is only two people to blame for this outcome ... the driver doing 70 in a 40 when there are people lining the streets and the driver who pulled out without looking.
Some posters really ought to get off their high horses. Isn’t there a cross-stitch club you might be better as a member of? Think some of outgrown their “hobby” but forgot to move on so just post bitterness and snobbish replies.
GEllisM4 said:
Yes, thank you. That’s what I’ve been trying to get at.
Separate the general public from car lovers who can enjoy their cars in a designated space.
Sadly as suggested by another poster about going to SantaPod or a race track, sadly neither me or lots of other people live near Santapod or any other race tracks/raceways so they aren’t really a viable alternative.
SantaPod is around 3 hours away from me and the nearest racetrack (that I’m aware of) is Donington which is around 2 hours away
your name and profile photo suggest that you drive an M4, if you are doing that at 19, then you are likely to get very little sympathy from others when you suggest that the council should pick up the bill for your enjoyment...Separate the general public from car lovers who can enjoy their cars in a designated space.
Sadly as suggested by another poster about going to SantaPod or a race track, sadly neither me or lots of other people live near Santapod or any other race tracks/raceways so they aren’t really a viable alternative.
SantaPod is around 3 hours away from me and the nearest racetrack (that I’m aware of) is Donington which is around 2 hours away
yes, I and others get that you work hard and play hard, and it must be satisfying to be able to afford to drive such a car, however when you do eventually become an old fart like many on here and look back with a lot more experience and wisdom, (not patronising, just reality), you may understand a different perspective - one that questions the priority at 19 of driving an expensive car... and your priority in life, you might understand why older people refer to it as the me me generation...
to then come on here and post that you don’t want to pay for your fun, motorsport is too expensive, all too difficult, too far away type comments, and that the general population should pick up the bill for your enjoyment, well that just demonstrates why your generation are referred to as entitled snowflakes
if you can afford to run an M4, then you could afford to do what everyone else does and pay for your hobbies and fun, sell the car, buy a tow car, trailer and track car (and pocket the change), then drive to trackdays etc and pay for your fun... it won’t be as much of a look at me / poser solution, but it would be taking responsibility for your own entertainment rather than expecting it to be provided to you on a plate - Donnington too far away at 2 hours!!! get up earlier
many people travel far more than that for their hobbies!maybe you don’t want to hear such blunt words, but I know a lot of people your age and they do not have that attitude, they work hard, they don’t expect anything from anyone else, they certainly wouldn’t be expecting the council to fund their hobbies, and most of them are driving polos!
and the reality is that providing an official place wouldn’t work, the fun is in the subversive and ‘aren’t I hard’ nature - showing off - trying to look good in front of your mates etc. doing that on a council managed car park wouldn’t provide the same kicks...
I have no issue with car meets and having fun modding your cars, I get the feeling of belonging etc. but there is a world of difference between that and the utter stupidity of some of this type of driving, anyone who drives like the chaps in Stevenage should simply be banned for life before they do kill someone... I own several fast (and modded) cars, there is an enjoyment in sharing that enthusiasm and I have been to car meets (though more old fart types!), but never, never - even though the challenges are frequent - would I race on a road...
so if you want the fun, go and sort it out for yourself, there is zero excuse for the behaviour last Thursday...
markyb_lcy said:
There is only two people to blame for this outcome ... the driver doing 70 in a 40 when there are people lining the streets and the driver who pulled out without looking.
You seem to have forgotten about the morons stood in the road, the police (the police station is a stone's throw away) who chose not to take effective action following the previous problems, the car magazines and TV shows who encourage this type of t
tish behavior, etc, etc.PF62 said:
You seem to have forgotten about the morons stood in the road, the police (the police station is a stone's throw away) who chose not to take effective action following the previous problems, the car magazines and TV shows who encourage this type of ttish behavior, etc, etc.
I did not forget about them at all.tish behavior, etc, etc.Out of all the things mentioned, only taking away the actions of the two drivers ensures the accident doesn’t happen. It’s simple logic.
Don’t give those drivers the option of blaming anyone or anything else, they are adults with driving licenses and they chose to drive the way they did.
markyb_lcy said:
There’s a lot of snobbery going on in this thread.
Older people somehow thinking more years on the earth gives them a god given right to talk down to younger people and rubbish their opinions based on age alone.
People banging on about loud exhausts which have pretty much zero relevance to the fact this happened.
People who are apparently petrol heads doing their best anti-petrol-head impersonations.
There is only two people to blame for this outcome ... the driver doing 70 in a 40 when there are people lining the streets and the driver who pulled out without looking.
Some posters really ought to get off their high horses. Isn’t there a cross-stitch club you might be better as a member of? Think some of outgrown their “hobby” but forgot to move on so just post bitterness and snobbish replies.
You kill your own point with comments like that. Older people somehow thinking more years on the earth gives them a god given right to talk down to younger people and rubbish their opinions based on age alone.
People banging on about loud exhausts which have pretty much zero relevance to the fact this happened.
People who are apparently petrol heads doing their best anti-petrol-head impersonations.
There is only two people to blame for this outcome ... the driver doing 70 in a 40 when there are people lining the streets and the driver who pulled out without looking.
Some posters really ought to get off their high horses. Isn’t there a cross-stitch club you might be better as a member of? Think some of outgrown their “hobby” but forgot to move on so just post bitterness and snobbish replies.
Their opinions are being rubbished as they are plain rubbish. You're not going to get free grounds for meets of lots of cars and space for racing.
Being a petrol head most certainly doesn't mean you have to drive like a t
t and in an antisocial manner. As many people are pointing out if you want to explore the performance of your car there is plenty of places you can go do that.
There is a place for everything. Public roads and public spaces isn't it.
Driver101 said:
You kill your own point with comments like that.
Their opinions are being rubbished as they are plain rubbish. You're not going to get free grounds for meets of lots of cars and space for racing.
Being a petrol head most certainly doesn't mean you have to drive like a tt and in an antisocial manner.
As many people are pointing out if you want to explore the performance of your car there is plenty of places you can go do that.
There is a place for everything. Public roads and public spaces isn't it.
Agree with the latter part of your post. And yes I agree that a given person’s opinion might be rubbish, and it’s fine to pick it apart and debate it. It’s even fine to say it’s rubbish.Their opinions are being rubbished as they are plain rubbish. You're not going to get free grounds for meets of lots of cars and space for racing.
Being a petrol head most certainly doesn't mean you have to drive like a t
t and in an antisocial manner. As many people are pointing out if you want to explore the performance of your car there is plenty of places you can go do that.
There is a place for everything. Public roads and public spaces isn't it.
What is not fine is to suggest that because you’re older and someone is younger, that an alternative opinion is superior.
markyb_lcy said:
PF62 said:
You seem to have forgotten about the morons stood in the road, the police (the police station is a stone's throw away) who chose not to take effective action following the previous problems, the car magazines and TV shows who encourage this type of ttish behavior, etc, etc.
I did not forget about them at all.tish behavior, etc, etc.Out of all the things mentioned, only taking away the actions of the two drivers ensures the accident doesn’t happen. It’s simple logic.
Don’t give those drivers the option of blaming anyone or anything else, they are adults with driving licenses and they chose to drive the way they did.
tty illegal driving, the drivers probably wouldn't have done it in the first place. The drivers aren't the only one to blame here.
markyb_lcy said:
PF62 said:
You seem to have forgotten about the morons stood in the road, the police (the police station is a stone's throw away) who chose not to take effective action following the previous problems, the car magazines and TV shows who encourage this type of ttish behavior, etc, etc.
I did not forget about them at all.tish behavior, etc, etc.Out of all the things mentioned, only taking away the actions of the two drivers ensures the accident doesn’t happen. It’s simple logic.
Don’t give those drivers the option of blaming anyone or anything else, they are adults with driving licenses and they chose to drive the way they did.
akirk said:
GEllisM4 said:
and the reality is that providing an official place wouldn’t work, the fun is in the subversive and ‘aren’t I hard’ nature - showing off - trying to look good in front of your mates etc. doing that on a council managed car park wouldn’t provide the same kicks...
You've nailed it there. Basically there just wouldn't be a crowd of 16 year old birds in tracksuits at a proper track venue to try to impress. And even for all the lads watching from the (safe) spectator area of a legitimate track, they'd be too far away to see their mates showing off racing round a track.And that's interesting to know, people apparently travel for hours to get to these anti social meet ups. I didn't know that. Yet people apparently don't like travelling too far to get to a legitimate race track?
markyb_lcy said:
Agree with the latter part of your post. And yes I agree that a given person’s opinion might be rubbish, and it’s fine to pick it apart and debate it. It’s even fine to say it’s rubbish.
What is not fine is to suggest that because you’re older and someone is younger, that an alternative opinion is superior.
You won't get it, i couldn't be told anything when I was younger either.What is not fine is to suggest that because you’re older and someone is younger, that an alternative opinion is superior.
This reminds me of something oft-said to children ...
“If I told you to jump off a cliff, would you?”
Also
“With great power (a license) comes great responsibility”
Do you think they’ll get reduced sentences by blaming a magazine and some over-eager non car owning friends who were stood around? Correctly, I think not.
Drive to the conditions... if there are hazards, it’s the driver responsibility to account for them. If you show off for spectators, that’s your decision to do so.
“If I told you to jump off a cliff, would you?”
Also
“With great power (a license) comes great responsibility”
Do you think they’ll get reduced sentences by blaming a magazine and some over-eager non car owning friends who were stood around? Correctly, I think not.
Drive to the conditions... if there are hazards, it’s the driver responsibility to account for them. If you show off for spectators, that’s your decision to do so.
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