Bad crash at my local boy racer meet
Discussion
I suspect the crowds came before the stupidity. Many in the crowd come to see the cars and walk the line and chat. A few wait outside for the “departures” waiting for the inevitable moment of talent<horsepower. Sadly we appear to be at a point where the idiots on both sides feed from each other and ruin it for the majority.
FYI. I don’t go the these events but I am happy for others to do so.
FYI. I don’t go the these events but I am happy for others to do so.
Durzel said:
Which came first, the bellend drivers or the crowd?
Bellend crowds have been about for a while, eg group Bhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-bEzUipmWc
Durzel said:
First thing that sprang to mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03wOaO3Ckas
Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLLqcwESjLE
Which came first, the bellend drivers or the crowd?
There is a symbiotic relationship. One exists and feeds off the other. The few spoiling it for the many as is so often the case with all types of event. Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLLqcwESjLE
Which came first, the bellend drivers or the crowd?
Donbot said:
Durzel said:
Which came first, the bellend drivers or the crowd?
Bellend crowds have been about for a while, eg group Bhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-bEzUipmWc
Phil Dicky said:
Donbot said:
Durzel said:
Which came first, the bellend drivers or the crowd?
Bellend crowds have been about for a while, eg group Bhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-bEzUipmWc
Even where there aren't hoards of spectators eg the exit to Caffeine and Machine, some drivers are bellends and C&M now ban those who are.
I go to lots of car events, Sunday Scramble, Prescott, Lynton Classic etc. Generally, despite 1000's of spectators the drivers are not bellends. The few are, are in my view wholly responsible for any carnage they cause.
I go to lots of car events, Sunday Scramble, Prescott, Lynton Classic etc. Generally, despite 1000's of spectators the drivers are not bellends. The few are, are in my view wholly responsible for any carnage they cause.
blueg33 said:
Even where there aren't hoards of spectators eg the exit to Caffeine and Machine, some drivers are bellends and C&M now ban those who are.
I go to lots of car events, Sunday Scramble, Prescott, Lynton Classic etc. Generally, despite 1000's of spectators the drivers are not bellends. The few are, are in my view wholly responsible for any carnage they cause.
Generally people are pretty good at C&M, obviously some cars make a racket regardless of how they’re driven. Bikers seem to be the ones leaving there like wallies...like the chap yesterday pulling a wheelie down the road yesterday.I go to lots of car events, Sunday Scramble, Prescott, Lynton Classic etc. Generally, despite 1000's of spectators the drivers are not bellends. The few are, are in my view wholly responsible for any carnage they cause.
I’ve never really done the car meet thing and I’ve never really understood those filing people driving like knobs whilst leaving somewhere. The saddest one had to be a video of people driving out of Beaconsfield services.....
DonkeyApple said:
There is a symbiotic relationship. One exists and feeds off the other. The few spoiling it for the many as is so often the case with all types of event.
It's always been there it's just now we have social media to publicise any mishaps.I think the drivers are to blame but any families that bring their kids along to stand in the road should have social services make an intervention for putting them at risk.
I'll do some showboating if anyone asks nicely but not if there's a camera involved, had a large crowd shouting at me to do a burnout when exiting from Tunerfest a couple of years ago, my Tetra/Airwave detector was going haywire so I knew there was police around so I didn't and got jeered.
An Evo a few cars infront had engaged antilag then launched down the road, came across them five minutes down the road pulled over by a BMW traffic unit, likely they had undercover police in the crowd giving the number plates of anyone misbehaving to be pulled over.
The driver is to blame. This is why cars are licensed and have registered keepers: Cars are devices that have the capacity to easily cause severe injuries. When you choose to take control of one, you accept the responsibility to operate the vehicle in a way that does not endanger vulnerable people around you, even if they're being stupid.
That means,
a) If you can't see out of a junction, pull out carefully or don't pull out at all. Or ask the people to move back.
b) If you're travelling along a road lined with crowds of people and where any unexpected incident could easily cause you to drive into them, slow down.
Doesn't matter what the pedestrians are doing or saying to you. They aren't in control of the car, the driver is. Unless you feel threatened, slow down so that if s
t happens, they are less likely to get hurt. Unless they're actually threatening you, take care of their safety because that's why you did tests and training before you were given the keys to a lethal device. The spectators.. well some did, and some didn't. So don't expect them to have a clue.
Yes, you can say that the spectators were egging the drivers on, and clearly that may influence a driver's judgement if they lack judgement, willpower or self control. But the spectators were only there because the cars were there. They were only egging the cars on because it was a car show. So they were encouraged by the cars, and then they encouraged the drivers.
When you're driving a car, don't be stupid. You can kill someone faster than you realise you're even in trouble, and you can't fix it afterwards.
That means,
a) If you can't see out of a junction, pull out carefully or don't pull out at all. Or ask the people to move back.
b) If you're travelling along a road lined with crowds of people and where any unexpected incident could easily cause you to drive into them, slow down.
Doesn't matter what the pedestrians are doing or saying to you. They aren't in control of the car, the driver is. Unless you feel threatened, slow down so that if s
t happens, they are less likely to get hurt. Unless they're actually threatening you, take care of their safety because that's why you did tests and training before you were given the keys to a lethal device. The spectators.. well some did, and some didn't. So don't expect them to have a clue.Yes, you can say that the spectators were egging the drivers on, and clearly that may influence a driver's judgement if they lack judgement, willpower or self control. But the spectators were only there because the cars were there. They were only egging the cars on because it was a car show. So they were encouraged by the cars, and then they encouraged the drivers.
When you're driving a car, don't be stupid. You can kill someone faster than you realise you're even in trouble, and you can't fix it afterwards.
kiseca said:
The driver is to blame. This is why cars are licensed and have registered keepers: Cars are devices that have the capacity to easily cause severe injuries. When you choose to take control of one, you accept the responsibility to operate the vehicle in a way that does not endanger vulnerable people around you, even if they're being stupid.
That means,
a) If you can't see out of a junction, pull out carefully or don't pull out at all. Or ask the people to move back.
b) If you're travelling along a road lined with crowds of people and where any unexpected incident could easily cause you to drive into them, slow down.
Doesn't matter what the pedestrians are doing or saying to you. They aren't in control of the car, the driver is. Unless you feel threatened, slow down so that if st happens, they are less likely to get hurt. Unless they're actually threatening you, take care of their safety because that's why you did tests and training before you were given the keys to a lethal device. The spectators.. well some did, and some didn't. So don't expect them to have a clue.
Yes, you can say that the spectators were egging the drivers on, and clearly that may influence a driver's judgement if they lack judgement, willpower or self control. But the spectators were only there because the cars were there. They were only egging the cars on because it was a car show. So they were encouraged by the cars, and then they encouraged the drivers.
When you're driving a car, don't be stupid. You can kill someone faster than you realise you're even in trouble, and you can't fix it afterwards.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Every time! That means,
a) If you can't see out of a junction, pull out carefully or don't pull out at all. Or ask the people to move back.
b) If you're travelling along a road lined with crowds of people and where any unexpected incident could easily cause you to drive into them, slow down.
Doesn't matter what the pedestrians are doing or saying to you. They aren't in control of the car, the driver is. Unless you feel threatened, slow down so that if s
t happens, they are less likely to get hurt. Unless they're actually threatening you, take care of their safety because that's why you did tests and training before you were given the keys to a lethal device. The spectators.. well some did, and some didn't. So don't expect them to have a clue.Yes, you can say that the spectators were egging the drivers on, and clearly that may influence a driver's judgement if they lack judgement, willpower or self control. But the spectators were only there because the cars were there. They were only egging the cars on because it was a car show. So they were encouraged by the cars, and then they encouraged the drivers.
When you're driving a car, don't be stupid. You can kill someone faster than you realise you're even in trouble, and you can't fix it afterwards.
kiseca said:
The driver is to blame. This is why cars are licensed and have registered keepers: Cars are devices that have the capacity to easily cause severe injuries. When you choose to take control of one, you accept the responsibility to operate the vehicle in a way that does not endanger vulnerable people around you, even if they're being stupid.
That means,
a) If you can't see out of a junction, pull out carefully or don't pull out at all. Or ask the people to move back.
b) If you're travelling along a road lined with crowds of people and where any unexpected incident could easily cause you to drive into them, slow down.
Doesn't matter what the pedestrians are doing or saying to you. They aren't in control of the car, the driver is. Unless you feel threatened, slow down so that if st happens, they are less likely to get hurt. Unless they're actually threatening you, take care of their safety because that's why you did tests and training before you were given the keys to a lethal device. The spectators.. well some did, and some didn't. So don't expect them to have a clue.
Yes, you can say that the spectators were egging the drivers on, and clearly that may influence a driver's judgement if they lack judgement, willpower or self control. But the spectators were only there because the cars were there. They were only egging the cars on because it was a car show. So they were encouraged by the cars, and then they encouraged the drivers.
When you're driving a car, don't be stupid. You can kill someone faster than you realise you're even in trouble, and you can't fix it afterwards.
Totally agreeThat means,
a) If you can't see out of a junction, pull out carefully or don't pull out at all. Or ask the people to move back.
b) If you're travelling along a road lined with crowds of people and where any unexpected incident could easily cause you to drive into them, slow down.
Doesn't matter what the pedestrians are doing or saying to you. They aren't in control of the car, the driver is. Unless you feel threatened, slow down so that if s
t happens, they are less likely to get hurt. Unless they're actually threatening you, take care of their safety because that's why you did tests and training before you were given the keys to a lethal device. The spectators.. well some did, and some didn't. So don't expect them to have a clue.Yes, you can say that the spectators were egging the drivers on, and clearly that may influence a driver's judgement if they lack judgement, willpower or self control. But the spectators were only there because the cars were there. They were only egging the cars on because it was a car show. So they were encouraged by the cars, and then they encouraged the drivers.
When you're driving a car, don't be stupid. You can kill someone faster than you realise you're even in trouble, and you can't fix it afterwards.
Durzel said:
First thing that sprang to mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03wOaO3Ckas
Complete with click bait title. 
Loss of control resulting in a near miss, yes. Crash, no.
Durzel said:
Not the first time there has been a mismatch between money and talent and it won't be the last.Durzel said:
Which came first, the bellend drivers or the crowd?
One can argue that ad infinitum and get nowhere.The fact that other people create a hazard by their presence means that as a driver you should allow for that and act appropriately.
Nobody held a gun to Castano-Perez's head and compelled him to floor it on that road.
Likewise Brown lighting up the rear wheels and sliding the rear end as he pulled out.
Those who 'play to the gallery' are too immature to understand the concept of time and place.
As usual, d
heads like these end up making it likely that more and more local authorities will take out injunctions.Thereby making it increasingly difficult for the majority to enjoy a perfectly legitimate leisure interest.
I would be surprised if Her Majesty doesn't end up with a new guest, or two, at the end of the court case.
Don't fancy their chances of finding an insurer willing to cover them in future either.
I would imagine the driver pulling out would claim it was without due care rather than dangerous. The crowd reduced visibility to the extent needed to see the full road. He pulled out without expecting the other driver to be travelling at such speed under the conditions etc. The severity of the crash injuries is due tit the other driver.
Legally, die a court have the power to convict of a lower offence if the is kit enough evidence to prove dangerous driving?
Legally, die a court have the power to convict of a lower offence if the is kit enough evidence to prove dangerous driving?
The driver pulling out "could" have taken more due care by not giving it a bootful of throttle and sliding out into a road where he couldn't see what was coming, add in another car going so fast for the conditions and the two come together with awful consequences - both dangerous actions considering the amount of people about in close proximity.
tonyvid said:
The driver pulling out "could" have taken more due care by not giving it a bootful of throttle and sliding out into a road where he couldn't see what was coming, add in another car going so fast for the conditions and the two come together with awful consequences - both dangerous actions considering the amount of people about in close proximity.
Yes and that is exactly how I see it as well. The 350Z is going miles too fast for sure, but it wasn't the greatest idea from the GT86 driver to try to slide sideways out of a junction...when he couldn't see what was coming. 
kiseca said:
The driver is to blame. This is why cars are licensed and have registered keepers: Cars are devices that have the capacity to easily cause severe injuries. When you choose to take control of one, you accept the responsibility to operate the vehicle in a way that does not endanger vulnerable people around you, even if they're being stupid.
That means,
a) If you can't see out of a junction, pull out carefully or don't pull out at all. Or ask the people to move back.
b) If you're travelling along a road lined with crowds of people and where any unexpected incident could easily cause you to drive into them, slow down.
Doesn't matter what the pedestrians are doing or saying to you. They aren't in control of the car, the driver is. Unless you feel threatened, slow down so that if st happens, they are less likely to get hurt. Unless they're actually threatening you, take care of their safety because that's why you did tests and training before you were given the keys to a lethal device. The spectators.. well some did, and some didn't. So don't expect them to have a clue.
Yes, you can say that the spectators were egging the drivers on, and clearly that may influence a driver's judgement if they lack judgement, willpower or self control. But the spectators were only there because the cars were there. They were only egging the cars on because it was a car show. So they were encouraged by the cars, and then they encouraged the drivers.
When you're driving a car, don't be stupid. You can kill someone faster than you realise you're even in trouble, and you can't fix it afterwards.
Its all there ^ That means,
a) If you can't see out of a junction, pull out carefully or don't pull out at all. Or ask the people to move back.
b) If you're travelling along a road lined with crowds of people and where any unexpected incident could easily cause you to drive into them, slow down.
Doesn't matter what the pedestrians are doing or saying to you. They aren't in control of the car, the driver is. Unless you feel threatened, slow down so that if s
t happens, they are less likely to get hurt. Unless they're actually threatening you, take care of their safety because that's why you did tests and training before you were given the keys to a lethal device. The spectators.. well some did, and some didn't. So don't expect them to have a clue.Yes, you can say that the spectators were egging the drivers on, and clearly that may influence a driver's judgement if they lack judgement, willpower or self control. But the spectators were only there because the cars were there. They were only egging the cars on because it was a car show. So they were encouraged by the cars, and then they encouraged the drivers.
When you're driving a car, don't be stupid. You can kill someone faster than you realise you're even in trouble, and you can't fix it afterwards.
Just re-watched the vid. (its not pleasant). The people who were hit hardest were on the central reservation and some near the kerb on the left, this is where you would pause if you were crossing the road.
All the people would have been clearly visible to both drivers, but instead of taking extra care they did the opposite and people were killed and injured. The responsibility lies solely with the people in charge of the vehicles. I don't even see how its a debate
All the people would have been clearly visible to both drivers, but instead of taking extra care they did the opposite and people were killed and injured. The responsibility lies solely with the people in charge of the vehicles. I don't even see how its a debate
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