Bad crash at my local boy racer meet

[Smoggy XJR]

1602Mark said:

Pinkie15 said:

The Borough Council also got an injunction against any car meets, sign on every road when you cross the Borough boundary informing you car meets are illegal

I wonder if we might see more of this? I understand there was a fatality and a life changing head injury at a car meet on the south coast recently? A short video popped up on my feed where an officer was talking about how they would be policing such events more keenly as a (perfectly reasonable in my book) response.

Does anyone know the terms of the injunction? Would it, for example, prevent the Bugatti Owners' Club from holding a concours d'elegance at the local stately home?

[loskie]

I did wonder what the legal definition of "car meet" or whatever it's worded will be.

Passing laws is/are great for headline news (look at very recent animal welfare ones) BUT unless there are resources thrown at enforcement and PROPER penalties then it's nowt but political hot air.

[Red Devil]

Smoggy XJR said:

1602Mark said:

Pinkie15 said:

The Borough Council also got an injunction against any car meets, sign on every road when you cross the Borough boundary informing you car meets are illegal

I wonder if we might see more of this? I understand there was a fatality and a life changing head injury at a car meet on the south coast recently? A short video popped up on my feed where an officer was talking about how they would be policing such events more keenly as a (perfectly reasonable in my book) response.

Does anyone know the terms of the injunction?

Fill your boots. - https://www.stevenage.gov.uk/documents/news-and-ev...

It's the same wording as previous ones obtained by other LAs. Notably the Black Country - Wolverhampton, Dudley, Sandwell and Walsall
The proposed extension of those is currently on hold - https://www.expressandstar.com/news/2021/05/15/car...
The reason being the judgement of Mr Justice Nicklin in the High Court re Traveller injunctions. The key issue relates to 'Persons Unknown'.
https://www.localgovernmentlawyer.co.uk/property/4...

Smoggy XJR said:

Would it, for example, prevent the Bugatti Owners' Club from holding a concours d'elegance at the local stately home?

It only applies on the public highway or at any place to which the public have access. I'm not sure that a stately home falls into the latter category.
Besides, if you're going to a concours event you're unlikely to be performing the antics delineated in Schedule 2.
The injunction is aimed at a different type of gathering and demographic, not the kind you mention.

[Don1]

Pinkie15 said:

The Borough Council also got an injunction against any car meets, sign on every road when you cross the Borough boundary informing you car meets are illegal

Living a few miles away from the area... I haven't seen these signs (yet).

[Smoggy XJR]

Red Devil said:

Smoggy XJR said:

1602Mark said:

Pinkie15 said:

The Borough Council also got an injunction against any car meets, sign on every road when you cross the Borough boundary informing you car meets are illegal

I wonder if we might see more of this? I understand there was a fatality and a life changing head injury at a car meet on the south coast recently? A short video popped up on my feed where an officer was talking about how they would be policing such events more keenly as a (perfectly reasonable in my book) response.

Does anyone know the terms of the injunction?

Fill your boots. - https://www.stevenage.gov.uk/documents/news-and-ev...

It's the same wording as previous ones obtained by other LAs. Notably the Black Country - Wolverhampton, Dudley, Sandwell and Walsall
The proposed extension of those is currently on hold - https://www.expressandstar.com/news/2021/05/15/car...
The reason being the judgement of Mr Justice Nicklin in the High Court re Traveller injunctions. The key issue relates to 'Persons Unknown'.
https://www.localgovernmentlawyer.co.uk/property/4...

Smoggy XJR said:

Would it, for example, prevent the Bugatti Owners' Club from holding a concours d'elegance at the local stately home?

It only applies on the public highway or at any place to which the public have access. I'm not sure that a stately home falls into the latter category.
Besides, if you're going to a concours event you're unlikely to be performing the antics delineated in Schedule 2.
The injunction is aimed at a different type of gathering and demographic, not the kind you mention.

Thanks reddevil.

I appreciate that a one size fits all solution doesn't work. That's why I asked the question.

[Durzel]

Buster73 said:

Driver101 said:

I can't say I feel sorry.

I have full sympathy for anyone injured, but really couldn’t give a damn about those responsible.

The spectators aren’t blameless though. They are contributing to the problem. If they weren’t there, there wouldn’t be a performative motivation for the drivers.

If you go to the Pamplona bull run and get gored, because you’re standing right there in the middle of the action, can you put your hands up afterwards and say “could’ve happened to anyone”?

The drivers are wholly to blame for their actions, but let’s not pretend that people standing on central reservations for the show aren’t part of the problem, and have in some small part eschewed personal responsibility, and therefore sacrificed a measure of sympathy towards them.

If you get gored at the bull run, yes it’s the bull’s fault but maybe you shouldn’t have been there.

[tribbles]

Don1 said:

Pinkie15 said:

The Borough Council also got an injunction against any car meets, sign on every road when you cross the Borough boundary informing you car meets are illegal

Living a few miles away from the area... I haven't seen these signs (yet).

If you go past the Stevenage football ground from the A1M, there's a sign just by the car park on the left.

But that's the only one I've seen.

[Don1]

Ah, so close to where it happened.

[anonymous-user]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9684123/T...

[TheRainMaker]

Seems a bit harsh on the guy pulling out the car park, limited view of the road + someone travelling far in excess of the speed limit

Sending a message though I guess.

[tarquin274]

TheRainMaker said:

Seems a bit harsh on the guy pulling out the car park, limited view of the road + someone travelling far in excess of the speed limit

Sending a message though I guess.

You mean the guy pulling out of the car park, across the clearly marked 'give way' markings, who didn't give way to oncoming traffic.

Rather a bit harsh on the 350Z I would say !

[TheRainMaker]

tarquin274 said:

TheRainMaker said:

Seems a bit harsh on the guy pulling out the car park, limited view of the road + someone travelling far in excess of the speed limit

Sending a message though I guess.

You mean the guy pulling out of the car park, across the clearly marked 'give way' markings, who didn't give way to oncoming traffic.

Rather a bit harsh on the 350Z I would say !

Massive difference between someone pulling out a junction with limited visibility expecting people to be driving around 30 mph and someone driving in excess of 70 mph in a 30 limit don’t you think?

[tarquin274]

TheRainMaker said:

Massive difference between someone pulling out a junction with limited visibility expecting people to be driving around 30 mph and someone driving in excess of 70 mph in a 30 limit don’t you think?

It's a 40...

[TheRainMaker]

tarquin274 said:

TheRainMaker said:

Massive difference between someone pulling out a junction with limited visibility expecting people to be driving around 30 mph and someone driving in excess of 70 mph in a 30 limit don’t you think?

It's a 40...

So still 30mph over the posted limit then.

[cerb4.5lee]

One is driving miles too fast when you consider how many pedestrians there are about, and the other one is trying to slide sideways out of a junction that he can't see out of(and is more to blame imo). Madness really, but most of us have done some very daft things when we were younger though(me included).

[Pinkie15]

tribbles said:

Don1 said:

Pinkie15 said:

The Borough Council also got an injunction against any car meets, sign on every road when you cross the Borough boundary informing you car meets are illegal

Living a few miles away from the area... I haven't seen these signs (yet).

If you go past the Stevenage football ground from the A1M, there's a sign just by the car park on the left.

But that's the only one I've seen.

There’s more than that; just before the railway bridge on London Rd (coming from Knebworth), just after you come off the A1M at both Jnc 7 & 8, on the 602 (near The Chequers) coming from Watton

Admittedly the signs are [relatively] small, black text on ‘muddy’ yellow background and not easy to read in one go if you’re doing more than about 10mph. Took me about 4 passes to read the sign on the London Rd

[tonyvid]

Pinkie15 said:

tribbles said:

Don1 said:

Pinkie15 said:

The Borough Council also got an injunction against any car meets, sign on every road when you cross the Borough boundary informing you car meets are illegal

Living a few miles away from the area... I haven't seen these signs (yet).

If you go past the Stevenage football ground from the A1M, there's a sign just by the car park on the left.

But that's the only one I've seen.

There’s more than that; just before the railway bridge on London Rd (coming from Knebworth), just after you come off the A1M at both Jnc 7 & 8, on the 602 (near The Chequers) coming from Watton

Admittedly the signs are [relatively] small, black text on ‘muddy’ yellow background and not easy to read in one go if you’re doing more than about 10mph. Took me about 4 passes to read the sign on the London Rd

I was in Stevenage yesterday and even the little road from the Crematorium to the Hertford Road has one. Re the Bugatti club meet question, the stately home is outside of the borough line

We had a similar issue with carpark bans in St Neots after some rice-racer types caused constant problems in Huntingdon combined with some rather vigorous one-off visiting drivers leaving one of our Sunday morning monthly meets that made the telly after a resident filmed it. A bit of gentle discussion with the local council by our organisers soothed the ways and they granted that it would be ok for those coffee meets to continue. I think the 10pm-popping-and-banging Fast & Furious re-enctors have screwed it for themselves and the accident that happened that night in Stevenage was horrible yet predictable. In fact, coming back from the Crem at 17:30 on the 40mph road just by there I got passed by a Type R doing about 90mph and screaming it's head off so the idiots are still in town.