RE: Mid-engined Corvette Stingray revealed!
Discussion
Jader1973 said:
Gecko1978 said:
Jader1973 said:
I have a feeling RHD pricing will be quite high. Given the whole interior is handed, and the RHD volume won't be huge, it will add a fair bit of cost I think. They won't suffer a higher cost in the US to make RHD cars less expensive.
Plus they'll know exactly what the competition is and how much it costs. They may well operate on a "price it a few thousand less than an "equivalent" 911 basis.
We'll see I guess.
The thing that will push up prices would be tax I assume. The interior panels and architecture if they are talking about RHD (Japan, Australia, UK, Singapore etc) will have been designed to accommodate that think panels that are injection moulded in a reversable form so one pannel services both markets. Plus they'll know exactly what the competition is and how much it costs. They may well operate on a "price it a few thousand less than an "equivalent" 911 basis.
We'll see I guess.
Watching a wheeler dealers episode about tthe Datsun 240z they build them in such a way LHD, RHD auto manual etc used many of the exact same parts.
So today manufacturer I assume do look at both. Plus GM will have seen fords mustang sales in the UK. a 50k car that they are selling loads of with what 2/3 being the 5.0 model
Then they've got to crash test RHD as well.
It gets expensive!
Also Mclaren 600 etc was designed for both markets where as the P1 was only ever LHD (I assume cost of say 11 RHD cars was not worth it)
Mustang pricing US vs UK may give a clue, in the US a base Mustang is about sixty percent of what we pay for the same car.
Base C8 price is $60k US ish, so that gives us $100k US at UK type prices, converted to £ gives us 80 grand, they might sneak it under 80 but depends on the car tax aspects etc.
Not the bargain it in in the US, but if they do sell them for around that, cant think of anything comparable that isnt second hand, GTR is in the same ball park price wise but is quite different.
Be interesting to see how many punters buy them, new Mustang is now a fairly common sight, LHD was always a barrier to a lot of normal punters, an inconvenience they wouldnt countenance, plus going into a Ford dealer is a lot easier than messing around importing yourself or buying from an importer.
Base C8 price is $60k US ish, so that gives us $100k US at UK type prices, converted to £ gives us 80 grand, they might sneak it under 80 but depends on the car tax aspects etc.
Not the bargain it in in the US, but if they do sell them for around that, cant think of anything comparable that isnt second hand, GTR is in the same ball park price wise but is quite different.
Be interesting to see how many punters buy them, new Mustang is now a fairly common sight, LHD was always a barrier to a lot of normal punters, an inconvenience they wouldnt countenance, plus going into a Ford dealer is a lot easier than messing around importing yourself or buying from an importer.
If they put a manual in this it may be my car of choice (if I find 60 to 80 grand lying on the street). Proper big V8 and not a downsized turbo unit, nice enough interior and design, and should be a lot easier and cheaper to maintain than some other exotics. The old Corvette supposedly handled well, so this could only be a step up. Approved!
J4CKO said:
Mustang pricing US vs UK may give a clue, in the US a base Mustang is about sixty percent of what we pay for the same car.
Base C8 price is $60k US ish, so that gives us $100k US at UK type prices, converted to £ gives us 80 grand, they might sneak it under 80 but depends on the car tax aspects etc.
Not the bargain it in in the US, but if they do sell them for around that, cant think of anything comparable that isnt second hand, GTR is in the same ball park price wise but is quite different.
Be interesting to see how many punters buy them, new Mustang is now a fairly common sight, LHD was always a barrier to a lot of normal punters, an inconvenience they wouldnt countenance, plus going into a Ford dealer is a lot easier than messing around importing yourself or buying from an importer.
No, the Mustang is not.Base C8 price is $60k US ish, so that gives us $100k US at UK type prices, converted to £ gives us 80 grand, they might sneak it under 80 but depends on the car tax aspects etc.
Not the bargain it in in the US, but if they do sell them for around that, cant think of anything comparable that isnt second hand, GTR is in the same ball park price wise but is quite different.
Be interesting to see how many punters buy them, new Mustang is now a fairly common sight, LHD was always a barrier to a lot of normal punters, an inconvenience they wouldnt countenance, plus going into a Ford dealer is a lot easier than messing around importing yourself or buying from an importer.
The UK only gets the equivalent of the Mustang GT Performance Pack 1 as the base V8 model. The cost of that car in the US before tax, delivery and registration fees is $45,340 on the Ford USA configurator.
In the US, the average sales tax 6-8%, and destination charges and registration fees are approximately $1,200 on top of that. So, the equivalent Mustang GT in the US would cost about $49,714 using a 7% tax rate. Sure, some States are tax free but it's not the norm.
$49,714 at the current exchange rate is about £39,771.
The RHD Mustang GT in the UK starts from £42,810 OTR, so an approximately £3,039 difference to the equivalent US car.
Sure, the base model mustang GT sold in the States is much cheaper but we don't get that because too many people would b
h about the quality of the plastics and the non-leather seats. Salamura said:
If they put a manual in.....
Highly unlikely IMO. They'd have to engineer a complete manual transaxle which could be prohibitively expensive for just a handful of sales. Porsche are one of very few manufacturers still producing high power cars with a manual box but 90% of their sales are now autos.The other reason a manual's unlikely is the need to engineer a shift linkage, always an achilles heel for any mid- or rear-engine car where you can't just have the gear stick plunging directly into the transmission. Then there's the problem that high torque cars end up with a heavy clutch and heavy cogs to move. And finally, previous Vettes have had room for a clutch at the front of the car before the torque tube takes power to the transmission at the back. I doubt there's any space to insert a clutch at the back of this new Vette between engine and transmission, not least because there's no torque converter with Tremec's DCT auto.
cib24 said:
No, the Mustang is not.
The UK only gets the equivalent of the Mustang GT Performance Pack 1 as the base V8 model. The cost of that car in the US before tax, delivery and registration fees is $45,340 on the Ford USA configurator.
In the US, the average sales tax 6-8%, and destination charges and registration fees are approximately $1,200 on top of that. So, the equivalent Mustang GT in the US would cost about $49,714 using a 7% tax rate. Sure, some States are tax free but it's not the norm.
$49,714 at the current exchange rate is about £39,771.
The RHD Mustang GT in the UK starts from £42,810 OTR, so an approximately £3,039 difference to the equivalent US car.
Sure, the base model mustang GT sold in the States is much cheaper but we don't get that because too many people would bh about the quality of the plastics and the non-leather seats.
Well said.The UK only gets the equivalent of the Mustang GT Performance Pack 1 as the base V8 model. The cost of that car in the US before tax, delivery and registration fees is $45,340 on the Ford USA configurator.
In the US, the average sales tax 6-8%, and destination charges and registration fees are approximately $1,200 on top of that. So, the equivalent Mustang GT in the US would cost about $49,714 using a 7% tax rate. Sure, some States are tax free but it's not the norm.
$49,714 at the current exchange rate is about £39,771.
The RHD Mustang GT in the UK starts from £42,810 OTR, so an approximately £3,039 difference to the equivalent US car.
Sure, the base model mustang GT sold in the States is much cheaper but we don't get that because too many people would b
h about the quality of the plastics and the non-leather seats. If they can keep the cost of this new Corvette down to about £70k in the UK I reckon they will have a hit on their hands.
Marc p said:
I love this new c8 and already trying to find a way to pre-order for export, I'll be in the US in 3 weeks so will be having a chat with the local dealers. It's going head first into the 488/Huracan/570 market at a 1/4 of the price, absolutely crazy how much of a bargain this car is and they haven't even mentioned the Z06/ZR1 variants yet
I have heard that the dealers are trying to keep the cars strictly within the US initially. I’m tempted to put a depo down..."Mid Engined Cars are too fast these days, 500bhp is enough"
"Turbo cars are boring"
"Have you seen the price of modern performance cars these days?"
Here we have a mid engined, NA sports carm/supercar at a reasonable price. No, it probably won't handle like a McLaren or have the interior of a Bentley, but maybe that's a good thing in 2019.
YeeHaw!
"Turbo cars are boring"
"Have you seen the price of modern performance cars these days?"
Here we have a mid engined, NA sports carm/supercar at a reasonable price. No, it probably won't handle like a McLaren or have the interior of a Bentley, but maybe that's a good thing in 2019.
YeeHaw!
cib24 said:
J4CKO said:
Mustang pricing US vs UK may give a clue, in the US a base Mustang is about sixty percent of what we pay for the same car.
Base C8 price is $60k US ish, so that gives us $100k US at UK type prices, converted to £ gives us 80 grand, they might sneak it under 80 but depends on the car tax aspects etc.
Not the bargain it in in the US, but if they do sell them for around that, cant think of anything comparable that isnt second hand, GTR is in the same ball park price wise but is quite different.
Be interesting to see how many punters buy them, new Mustang is now a fairly common sight, LHD was always a barrier to a lot of normal punters, an inconvenience they wouldnt countenance, plus going into a Ford dealer is a lot easier than messing around importing yourself or buying from an importer.
No, the Mustang is not.Base C8 price is $60k US ish, so that gives us $100k US at UK type prices, converted to £ gives us 80 grand, they might sneak it under 80 but depends on the car tax aspects etc.
Not the bargain it in in the US, but if they do sell them for around that, cant think of anything comparable that isnt second hand, GTR is in the same ball park price wise but is quite different.
Be interesting to see how many punters buy them, new Mustang is now a fairly common sight, LHD was always a barrier to a lot of normal punters, an inconvenience they wouldnt countenance, plus going into a Ford dealer is a lot easier than messing around importing yourself or buying from an importer.
The UK only gets the equivalent of the Mustang GT Performance Pack 1 as the base V8 model. The cost of that car in the US before tax, delivery and registration fees is $45,340 on the Ford USA configurator.
In the US, the average sales tax 6-8%, and destination charges and registration fees are approximately $1,200 on top of that. So, the equivalent Mustang GT in the US would cost about $49,714 using a 7% tax rate. Sure, some States are tax free but it's not the norm.
$49,714 at the current exchange rate is about £39,771.
The RHD Mustang GT in the UK starts from £42,810 OTR, so an approximately £3,039 difference to the equivalent US car.
Sure, the base model mustang GT sold in the States is much cheaper but we don't get that because too many people would b
h about the quality of the plastics and the non-leather seats. Starting at $26,395
Cheapest UK
Recommended OTR Total Price £37,685
Maybe not like for like but it is quite a difference.
Be good if the Corvette is nearer 70 than 80k though, will be interesting,
J4CKO said:
I looked at the cheapest Mustang in each country, the Ecoboost and that is what it seemed to come out as,
Starting at $26,395
Cheapest UK
Recommended OTR Total Price £37,685
Maybe not like for like but it is quite a difference.
Be good if the Corvette is nearer 70 than 80k though, will be interesting,
You are dismissing tax, destination, registration and most of all base spec differences in each market. Starting at $26,395
Cheapest UK
Recommended OTR Total Price £37,685
Maybe not like for like but it is quite a difference.
Be good if the Corvette is nearer 70 than 80k though, will be interesting,
HighwayStar said:
WLTP is not a myth in Europe. The Z4 for instance, has something like 380hp in the US v Euro 340hp
Who knows what effect complying with EU regs will have on the Stingray.
The reviews are going to be interesting, I'd imagine the pricing will be a little steeper than some believe but I reckon it will still be seriously good value.
The styling doesn't really work in my eyes but we all like different things.
I don't know about the Z4, but Euro Spec Supra pumped out a hell of a lot more than the US spec version (Source: Car Throttle).Who knows what effect complying with EU regs will have on the Stingray.
The reviews are going to be interesting, I'd imagine the pricing will be a little steeper than some believe but I reckon it will still be seriously good value.
The styling doesn't really work in my eyes but we all like different things.
Arsecati said:
I don't know about the Z4, but Euro Spec Supra pumped out a hell of a lot more than the US spec version (Source: Car Throttle).
No, they are similar. US enthusiasts use wheel horsepower on their dynos, i.e. what is actually being read by the dyno from the tyres. UK dynos like Surrey Rolling Road which Car Throttle uses, converts the wheel horsepower to brake horsepower by adding in a correction. Essentially taking the wheel horsepower figure and multiplying it by somewhere between 1.10 and 1.15. cib24 said:
loveice said:
500hp rwd petrol Corvette does 0-60 in 3sec and 2000hp awd electric Lotus also does 0-60 in 3sec...
It's the limit of tyres and grip. Engineering Explained does a really good video explaining this. You can only launch so hard without a full drag car setup and wheelie bars. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff