RE: Mid-engined Corvette Stingray revealed!

[James NF]

Looks the business. See how it is in the flesh and not through PR filtered images and then judge.

GM = Government Motors. Remember this organisation was let off many of the financial liabilities through going into Taxpayer ownership.

Ford found their own way out of the mess. I do not work for Ford but I am afraid this car comes out of a company where it’s Government owners cleared its liabilities. Ford had to face up to theirs. I’ll take the Mustang thank you - more soul.

[gpgts]

This is a game changer. It is a market disrupter. C’mon a NASP mid engine doing 0-60 in under 3 seconds, targa top, room for 2 golf bags in the back, never mind the frunk, - only thing missing is a true manual. Nothing comes close to this for the money. I would hate to be an NSX salesman at the moment. They were having trouble moving them before this car was revealed. This corvette may be the death knell for it, if, and it’s. a big if, Chevy can produce it without ant significant issues. Speaking of NSX, this corvette will do what the original NSX did to Ferrari ,.. force them to up their game (I think they all will have to).

I have a deposit on 718 Spyder (for 3 years now) and this car has is at least causing me to think. I did call a Chevy dealer today just to get more information. I’m still committed to the Porsche but this corvette has got me thinking and it will cost me 30,00 to 40,000 less than the Porsche. Maybe I”ll buy an older Lotus or a new Miata true manual as well with the money I save 😊

[LuS1fer]

James NF said:

Looks the business. See how it is in the flesh and not through PR filtered images and then judge.

GM = Government Motors. Remember this organisation was let off many of the financial liabilities through going into Taxpayer ownership.

Ford found their own way out of the mess. I do not work for Ford but I am afraid this car comes out of a company where it’s Government owners cleared its liabilities. Ford had to face up to theirs. I’ll take the Mustang thank you - more soul.

I have a Mustang and have had 2 Camaros and two Corvettes. Always found the GM cars to have had more character and soul. The new Mustang wants to be a German car.

[tankplanker]

mitch_ said:

The European dealer network doesn’t exist to sell you a car for less. It exists to make it easier to buy and own your car.

It exists to make its US parent as much money as possible, that is its primary purpose and they'd pull out of Europe or stop selling a particular range of cars as soon as it became prudent to do so.

Making a RHD version of this shows they want to crack UK/Japan/Australia as they wouldn't have invested a penny to do so otherwise. Why bother when you can spend far less and just sell the LHD version as they have done so in the past, unless you actually want to sell a serious amount of them now? I would suggest they saw the sales volume for the RHD Mustang and want a piece of that, rather than the handful of cars they sold last generation.

By over pricing the Corvette they reduce sales, competing squarely against a Cayman the Corvette looks like fantastic value. Competing against even an entry level 911 it starts to look poor value for the monthly cost. The majority of Caymans, 911s and brand new from a UK dealer Corvette will be bought either via PCP or leased. Even those who pay cash or mostly cash for one will want to sell it at around the 3 year mark if not sooner so residuals will be important to most.

How affordable the car is on lease/PCP will make a big difference to how well this sells. If the car is over priced then it will depreciate more, increasing the monthly payment and pushing it up against better competition. I see the Corvette as like the VRX8, and if the VRX8 was the same price as a new M5 or E63 it would never have sold at all.

[unsprung]

Below are production figures for the first five model years of the C7 Corvette. The sixth and final year of the C7 is excluded here (and was similar in total volume to 2018).

Now that the C8 has been unveiled as a global car:

-- How much more volume can General Motors expect from Europe and the UK?

-- How many will China buy? (the C7 was not officially sold there)

[tankplanker]

I'm surprised how many Corvettes have been sold in Japan, not surprised by the UK numbers, that would put the UK at about 100 total for the official cars.

Ford has sold a couple of thousand of Mustangs each year in the UK since the RHD version in 2015. The Mustang globally outsells the Corvette 4 to 1, using that number it could be as high as 500 per year but I'd guess Chevrolet would be happy to sell at least a 100 Corvettes each year in the UK. That would be around the sales volume for the Evora or Exige.

[mikey k]

gpgts said:

This is a game changer. It is a market disrupter. C’mon a NASP mid engine doing 0-60 in under 3 seconds, targa top, room for 2 golf bags in the back, never mind the frunk, - only thing missing is a true manual. Nothing comes close to this for the money. I would hate to be an NSX salesman at the moment. They were having trouble moving them before this car was revealed. This corvette may be the death knell for it, if, and it’s. a big if, Chevy can produce it without ant significant issues. Speaking of NSX, this corvette will do what the original NSX did to Ferrari ,.. force them to up their game (I think they all will have to).

I have a deposit on 718 Spyder (for 3 years now) and this car has is at least causing me to think. I did call a Chevy dealer today just to get more information. I’m still committed to the Porsche but this corvette has got me thinking and it will cost me 30,00 to 40,000 less than the Porsche. Maybe I”ll buy an older Lotus or a new Miata true manual as well with the money I save ??

Its definitely a step up for Chevvy
It won't do sub 3 sec 0-60 (ETA from the 495 BHP $60k version) It has less power and more weight than a McLaren 570S that doesn't manage it. The higher power versions are going to be up at McLaren money in the UK so tough competition.
I'm with you on the 718, I tried to put a deposit on one (but that's another tall muppetry for another time), I'd happily put one on this

Edited by mikey k on Tuesday 23 July 16:40

[J4CKO]

When do we think we will see the first road tests, still a way off at the moment ?

I am also sceptical of the < 3 sec 0-60 claim but would love to see it do it, just doesnt seem to be powerful enough to do that at that weight.

I know its a cheesy metric and doesnt really tell much of the story but they did put it out there, there aren't many cars that dip under three seconds to sixty, 720S does 2.8 but with another 200 plus bhp, same drive layout and less weight.

I am sure it will be in the threes but cant see it going quite that quick, but then I dont think they would make such bold claims to only look daft later on.

Pretty cool we are even having this debate about a car that costs this much (in the US)

[mikey k]

J4CKO said:

I am also sceptical of the < 3 sec 0-60 claim but would love to see it do it, just doesnt seem to be powerful enough to do that at that weight.

I know its a cheesy metric and doesnt really tell much of the story but they did put it out there, there aren't many cars that dip under three seconds to sixty, 720S does 2.8 but with another 200 plus bhp, same drive layout and less weight.

I am sure it will be in the threes but cant see it going quite that quick, but then I dont think they would make such bold claims to only look daft later on.

Pretty cool we are even having this debate about a car that costs this much (in the US)

Yep its good stuff
I've had two McLarens and my 675 is mental quick, probably too quick for UK roads.
The alleged 800 BHP version I guess would match the 720S but that will be strong money.
I've contemplated a 720 spider but I think I would prefer one of these

[gpgts]

mikey k said:

gpgts said:

This is a game changer. It is a market disrupter. C’mon a NASP mid engine doing 0-60 in under 3 seconds, targa top, room for 2 golf bags in the back, never mind the frunk, - only thing missing is a true manual. Nothing comes close to this for the money. I would hate to be an NSX salesman at the moment. They were having trouble moving them before this car was revealed. This corvette may be the death knell for it, if, and it’s. a big if, Chevy can produce it without ant significant issues. Speaking of NSX, this corvette will do what the original NSX did to Ferrari ,.. force them to up their game (I think they all will have to).

I have a deposit on 718 Spyder (for 3 years now) and this car has is at least causing me to think. I did call a Chevy dealer today just to get more information. I’m still committed to the Porsche but this corvette has got me thinking and it will cost me 30,00 to 40,000 less than the Porsche. Maybe I”ll buy an older Lotus or a new Miata true manual as well with the money I save ??

Its definitely a step up for Chevvy
It won't do sub 3 sec 0-60 (ETA from the 495 BHP $60k version) It has less power and more weight than a McLaren 570S that doesn't manage it. The higher power versions are going to be up at McLaren money in the UK so tough competition.
I'm with you on the 718, I tried to put a deposit on one (but that's another tall muppetry for another time), I'd happily put one on this

Edited by mikey k on Tuesday 23 July 16:40

Perhaps this explains why the sub 3 second to 60
https://driving.ca/chevrolet/corvette/features/fea...

[mikey k]

gpgts said:

mikey k said:

gpgts said:

This is a game changer. It is a market disrupter. C’mon a NASP mid engine doing 0-60 in under 3 seconds, targa top, room for 2 golf bags in the back, never mind the frunk, - only thing missing is a true manual. Nothing comes close to this for the money. I would hate to be an NSX salesman at the moment. They were having trouble moving them before this car was revealed. This corvette may be the death knell for it, if, and it’s. a big if, Chevy can produce it without ant significant issues. Speaking of NSX, this corvette will do what the original NSX did to Ferrari ,.. force them to up their game (I think they all will have to).

I have a deposit on 718 Spyder (for 3 years now) and this car has is at least causing me to think. I did call a Chevy dealer today just to get more information. I’m still committed to the Porsche but this corvette has got me thinking and it will cost me 30,00 to 40,000 less than the Porsche. Maybe I”ll buy an older Lotus or a new Miata true manual as well with the money I save ??

Its definitely a step up for Chevvy
It won't do sub 3 sec 0-60 (ETA from the 495 BHP $60k version) It has less power and more weight than a McLaren 570S that doesn't manage it. The higher power versions are going to be up at McLaren money in the UK so tough competition.
I'm with you on the 718, I tried to put a deposit on one (but that's another tall muppetry for another time), I'd happily put one on this

Edited by mikey k on Tuesday 23 July 16:40

Perhaps this explains why the sub 3 second to 60
https://driving.ca/chevrolet/corvette/features/fea...

Not really
I think the article is misleading, most others specifically say the 495BHP $60k entry level car won't break it BUT the 800BHP and EV versions will, neither of which have been launched or any futher details given.
Like I said the C8 is heavier than a 570S and down on power, the 570S can't break the 3 sec barrier.
That said its largely academic in the real world.
I just hope the cost of getting it in to hte UK doesn't double the price like it normally does.

[macky17]

Of course it's 60 mph not 62 (100 kmh) as in Europe. There's a couple of tenths. Let's say 3.2 with launch control and that dual clutch box. Feasible. Personally I don't care - it will be very fast and look the dogs bks. Sign me up.

[unsprung]

In reference to the production data presented in my previous post (time stamped 14:33), I would like to make a guess.

Although we've not yet received clear direction on pricing and price tiers, I'll go out on a limb and say that Australia will buy about the same number of units as Canada -- despite having 12 million fewer people.

[Bibbs]

unsprung said:

I'll go out on a limb and say that Australia will buy about the same number of units as Canada -- despite having 12 million fewer people.

We are desperate for something to replace the Commodore. The Mustang is very popular as a replacement to the Falcon. HSV are RHD-ing the Camaro, but at $87k or $160k I doubt it'll be a big seller compared to $64k for the Mustang.

[Jader1973]

unsprung said:

In reference to the production data presented in my previous post (time stamped 14:33), I would like to make a guess.

Although we've not yet received clear direction on pricing and price tiers, I'll go out on a limb and say that Australia will buy about the same number of units as Canada -- despite having 12 million fewer people.

Nope, never.

[rodericb]

unsprung said:

In reference to the production data presented in my previous post (time stamped 14:33), I would like to make a guess.

Although we've not yet received clear direction on pricing and price tiers, I'll go out on a limb and say that Australia will buy about the same number of units as Canada -- despite having 12 million fewer people.

If they kept the pricing regime Ford did with the Mustang and didn't go for the cash grab they could sell a couple of hundred in the first year I reckon. The basic Mustang GT 5.0 is $USD40k into California. The same thing in Australia is $AUD68k on the road. So this apparant $USD60k 'vette would be a bit above $AUD100k - 4 cylinder Porsche 718 money!

[irocfan]

J4CKO said:

When do we think we will see the first road tests, still a way off at the moment ?

I am also sceptical of the < 3 sec 0-60 claim but would love to see it do it, just doesnt seem to be powerful enough to do that at that weight.

different gearing? Stick a set of 4.3:1 in there (for example) and it'd be 'lively' - though top-end would obviously suffer....

[unsprung]

rodericb said:

If they kept the pricing regime Ford did with the Mustang and didn't go for the cash grab they could sell a couple of hundred in the first year I reckon. The basic Mustang GT 5.0 is $USD40k into California. The same thing in Australia is $AUD68k on the road. So this apparant $USD60k 'vette would be a bit above $AUD100k - 4 cylinder Porsche 718 money!

That sounds logical. Thanks for doing the maths.

Let's revise that guess down to a couple hundred, at least early on. The annual totals might resemble something closer to what the C7 achieved in Mexico and Japan. (in the production chart posted further above)

[rovermorris999]

Here's an explanation of the 0-60 time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_SH4c-oLUQ

[blade7]

Les Edgar and Gordon Murray aren't quite so smug now....