RE: Mid-engined Corvette Stingray revealed!

RE: Mid-engined Corvette Stingray revealed!

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mat205125

17,790 posts

214 months

Friday 19th July 2019
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Gecko1978 said:
nuttywobbler said:
Starting price of £80k in the UK I reckon.
At 65k in the UK they will sell many as a rival to the Cayman, M2, TT-RS etc at 80k we are nealry at 911 money (90k I think) and at that point its a struggle. Also the market for 50 to 60k sportsd cars I suspect is much larger than the 80k 2 seater.

If its 65k I will scrimp an save to buy one (RHD) with a view to then looking at aftermarket options to give the LT engine a power boost north of 600bhp (which I assume is not that difficult)

65k, Mid engine, supercarish looks (well it looks like things I drew on my school note book in the 90s) and a potential to break the magic (if somewhat pointless) 200mph mark

But it wont be 65k will it, it will likely be 80 or 90k and I will never get one
Priced to sit next to the 911 Carrera end of the range is the ideal place for this car. Sure, it'd be nice for it to be cheaper, however realistically its still a bargain at £80k.

This was the target level for the R8 when that was launched, and it should have stayed there.

Gecko1978

9,726 posts

158 months

Friday 19th July 2019
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Jader1973 said:
I have a feeling RHD pricing will be quite high. Given the whole interior is handed, and the RHD volume won't be huge, it will add a fair bit of cost I think. They won't suffer a higher cost in the US to make RHD cars less expensive.

Plus they'll know exactly what the competition is and how much it costs. They may well operate on a "price it a few thousand less than an "equivalent" 911 basis.

We'll see I guess.
The thing that will push up prices would be tax I assume. The interior panels and architecture if they are talking about RHD (Japan, Australia, UK, Singapore etc) will have been designed to accommodate that think panels that are injection moulded in a reversable form so one pannel services both markets.

Watching a wheeler dealers episode about tthe Datsun 240z they build them in such a way LHD, RHD auto manual etc used many of the exact same parts.

So today manufacturer I assume do look at both. Plus GM will have seen fords mustang sales in the UK. a 50k car that they are selling loads of with what 2/3 being the 5.0 model

daveco

4,130 posts

208 months

Friday 19th July 2019
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Gecko1978 said:
nuttywobbler said:
Starting price of £80k in the UK I reckon.
At 65k in the UK they will sell many as a rival to the Cayman, M2, TT-RS etc at 80k we are nealry at 911 money (90k I think) and at that point its a struggle. Also the market for 50 to 60k sportsd cars I suspect is much larger than the 80k 2 seater.

If its 65k I will scrimp an save to buy one (RHD) with a view to then looking at aftermarket options to give the LT engine a power boost north of 600bhp (which I assume is not that difficult)

65k, Mid engine, supercarish looks (well it looks like things I drew on my school note book in the 90s) and a potential to break the magic (if somewhat pointless) 200mph mark

But it wont be 65k will it, it will likely be 80 or 90k and I will never get one
Depending on market feedback, it could be. This has been set up right from the early stages of development to be both LHD and RHD.

It will be interesting to see how Porsche price the 911 if this turns out to be an overwhelming success; the Corvette Stingray name is about as prestigious as 911 numbering.

Well done Chevy clap

matrignano

4,384 posts

211 months

Friday 19th July 2019
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Gameface said:
Not looked at many fast cars have you.
I obviously meant to say, why are front brakes smaller than rears.

Anyway, you are a knob

Edited by matrignano on Friday 19th July 11:01

Barry Homo

2,552 posts

163 months

Friday 19th July 2019
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I didn't even read that. Anyway my guess would be heat management. The rear brakes will be used a lot for the stability etc systems and nip up to help balance the car. Perhaps this allows them to stay effective.

HighwayStar

4,282 posts

145 months

Friday 19th July 2019
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matrignano said:
Gameface said:
Not looked at many fast cars have you.
I obviously meant to say, why are front brakes smaller than rears.

Anyway, you are a knob

Edited by matrignano on Friday 19th July 11:01
Oooh... you edited what you originally said above... I was looking forward to Gameface's response.

Re looking at the history of cars you have had (mentioned before you edited your post). There's nothing there, no garage.

matrignano

4,384 posts

211 months

Friday 19th July 2019
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HighwayStar said:
Oooh... you edited what you originally said above... I was looking forward to Gameface's response.

Re looking at the history of cars you have had (mentioned before you edited your post). There's nothing there, no garage.
Yes I backtracked a bit when I realised I made a typo in my earlier post hehe

I have never updated my garage, but it's probably quite easy to guess if you look at what forums I've been active in in the past.

DS240

4,677 posts

219 months

Friday 19th July 2019
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It could be amazing to drive and I think it looks alright externally, but the interior once again would rule out any purchase.

Interior is a total mess. Brand new platform, brand new design and it looks dated from the very start.

It looks so cramped and why is there a huge ‘transmission’ tunnel designed into a mid engined cabin??

HighwayStar

4,282 posts

145 months

Friday 19th July 2019
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matrignano said:
HighwayStar said:
Oooh... you edited what you originally said above... I was looking forward to Gameface's response.

Re looking at the history of cars you have had (mentioned before you edited your post). There's nothing there, no garage.
Yes I backtracked a bit when I realised I made a typo in my earlier post hehe

I have never updated my garage, but it's probably quite easy to guess if you look at what forums I've been active in in the past.
Backtracked is one thing you could call it wink

Will you be in the marked for this Stingray?

BiggestVern

139 posts

131 months

Friday 19th July 2019
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It's a definite yes from me, red with the two tone interior please. Just off to buy a lottery ticket.........

Jader1973

4,007 posts

201 months

Friday 19th July 2019
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Gecko1978 said:
Jader1973 said:
I have a feeling RHD pricing will be quite high. Given the whole interior is handed, and the RHD volume won't be huge, it will add a fair bit of cost I think. They won't suffer a higher cost in the US to make RHD cars less expensive.

Plus they'll know exactly what the competition is and how much it costs. They may well operate on a "price it a few thousand less than an "equivalent" 911 basis.

We'll see I guess.
The thing that will push up prices would be tax I assume. The interior panels and architecture if they are talking about RHD (Japan, Australia, UK, Singapore etc) will have been designed to accommodate that think panels that are injection moulded in a reversable form so one pannel services both markets.

Watching a wheeler dealers episode about tthe Datsun 240z they build them in such a way LHD, RHD auto manual etc used many of the exact same parts.

So today manufacturer I assume do look at both. Plus GM will have seen fords mustang sales in the UK. a 50k car that they are selling loads of with what 2/3 being the 5.0 model
The metal structure under the dash is handed, the dash moulding is handed, the centre console is handed, some of the switches in the centre console may be handed, door trim switch trims are probably handed, the headlights will be handed (or have RHD unique elements), the cluster will need a km/h calibration, some of the electronics will need unique programming for overseas markets (e.g. traffic sign recognition if it has it), UK cars will need a rear foglight so extra tooling for wherever that goes etc. That all adds up to millions of dollars in tooling + the cost of having engineers do the work.

Then they've got to crash test RHD as well.

It gets expensive!




matrignano

4,384 posts

211 months

Friday 19th July 2019
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HighwayStar said:
Backtracked is one thing you could call it wink

Will you be in the marked for this Stingray?
It's certainly a compelling proposition! A lot of car for Cayman money...

Would need to see it in the flesh as it doesn't look very cohesive from the pics

Jader1973

4,007 posts

201 months

Friday 19th July 2019
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Max_Torque said:
I 8 a 4RE said:
Why launch it in red though? Makes it nigh on impossible not to think of a Ferrari 488.

Should've launched in Corvette racing yellow!
Surely doing the launch press shots with a "ferrari red" car must have been a deliberate move!
The live reveal used a red one, a white one, and a blue one. And a tenuous link to the moon landings.

USA, USA, USA!

jonby

5,357 posts

158 months

Friday 19th July 2019
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The issue here is US price versus UK price

At $60k dollars in the US, that's £50k at current piss poor exchange rate, so exceptional value

As a point of reference, now the exchange rate has dropped, the approx £50k UK price of an Alpine A110S, base Cayman or Audi RS3 is very similar to the US price for same

So if we in the UK look at this new Corvette on that basis, it looks exceptional value for money, in fact a steal

But we know it won't come close to that price. Very difficult to judge this car until we do know the UK price. If it's say £80k, we're only £10k off a base 911 Carrera S - that's a whole different ball game

As a point of reference, a 911 Carrera S costs almost twice the price of the Corvette in the US


BJWoods

5,015 posts

285 months

Friday 19th July 2019
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jonby said:
The issue here is US price versus UK price

At $60k dollars in the US, that's £50k at current piss poor exchange rate, so exceptional value

As a point of reference, now the exchange rate has dropped, the approx £50k UK price of an Alpine A110S, base Cayman or Audi RS3 is very similar to the US price for same

So if we in the UK look at this new Corvette on that basis, it looks exceptional value for money, in fact a steal

But we know it won't come close to that price. Very difficult to judge this car until we do know the UK price. If it's say £80k, we're only £10k off a base 911 Carrera S - that's a whole different ball game

As a point of reference, a 911 Carrera S costs almost twice the price of the Corvette in the US
I'm going to guess that they'll try keep it similar to UK price for current Corvette Stingray?

nickfrog

21,189 posts

218 months

Friday 19th July 2019
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jonby said:
At $60k dollars in the US, that's £50k at current piss poor exchange rate, so exceptional value
I guess you need to add 20% VAT and duties, plus logistics, plus UK importer's margin, etc. I am going for £89,950 OTR.

jonby

5,357 posts

158 months

Friday 19th July 2019
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BJWoods said:
jonby said:
The issue here is US price versus UK price

At $60k dollars in the US, that's £50k at current piss poor exchange rate, so exceptional value

As a point of reference, now the exchange rate has dropped, the approx £50k UK price of an Alpine A110S, base Cayman or Audi RS3 is very similar to the US price for same

So if we in the UK look at this new Corvette on that basis, it looks exceptional value for money, in fact a steal

But we know it won't come close to that price. Very difficult to judge this car until we do know the UK price. If it's say £80k, we're only £10k off a base 911 Carrera S - that's a whole different ball game

As a point of reference, a 911 Carrera S costs almost twice the price of the Corvette in the US
I'm going to guess that they'll try keep it similar to UK price for current Corvette Stingray?
Well perhaps but firstly that's for LHD whereas the new one is to be available in RHD and secondly, the exchange rate has dramatically worsened since then - either or both of those things could negatively impact UK price


Demonix

488 posts

213 months

Friday 19th July 2019
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Toyota Celica Gt and Ferrari 488 pista lovechild if you squint at it, I like it and $60k is a bargain - shame that doesn't translate to cost in the UK [:-( after import duty....

stuno1

1,318 posts

196 months

Friday 19th July 2019
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Splitting opinions then! Personally I am a fan of interior and exterior and this could be a performance bargain in the U.K.

BJWoods

5,015 posts

285 months

Friday 19th July 2019
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jonby said:
Well perhaps but firstly that's for LHD whereas the new one is to be available in RHD and secondly, the exchange rate has dramatically worsened since then - either or both of those things could negatively impact UK price
true.. but if rhd I expect they'll sell an awful lot more of them.. still seems a bargain at 90k