Anyone else no interest in hypercars?

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swisstoni said:

There's also the image. The vista of massive clueless bellends flaunting their wealth around the streets of Knightsbridge pursued by a fleet of toadies with their little cameras. Yuck.

[V8RX7]

janesmith1950 said:

However a BEV 3 box saloon available to buy for the mainstream, that really is a game changer and I'm excited to see how it changes our lives for the better.

They won't

They will reduce emissions in City centres but that's about it

[mat205125]

aeropilot said:

swisstoni said:

There's also the image. The vista of massive clueless bellends flaunting their wealth around the streets of Knightsbridge pursued by a fleet of toadies with their little cameras. Yuck.

This stigma is a big detractor for the problem (that I don't have ) of super/hypercar ownership.

I enjoy watching episodes of Yianni the wrapping bloke on Dave, and the Daily Driven Exotics on YouTube. Whilst both are entertaining, there's an undeniable proportion of the owners that I'd politely describe as "a bit of a bell end" ....... maybe these are more the Lambo and V8 Ferrari level, "straight piped" gang, that are brash with their cash, rather than the classier connoisseurs of the highest end enthusiasts.

[RDMcG]

mat205125 said:

Harrison-91xcg said:

Brainstorm:

P1 - No - too generic. Outdone by the superhero, which is the 720s in my book
LATheFerrari - Yes - why = V12
918 - No - uninspiring
TVR Speed 12 - Absolutetly - why - it's a monster v12 stapped to piece of paper covered in petrol
Pagina Zonda run out edition 765557 - Yes - Interior, engine and ground breaking looks
Koesininisgegegsgesg - Yes - monster pure V8. Purpose = go fast
Veyron - No - too fat to be agile
Chiron - No - still too fat to be agile
Lotus Vagina - Yes on the assumption its agile as any other Lotus with the trick aero and relative lightweight. If so it could be the pinnacle of performance
Tesla roadster 2 - No - Poor mans Lotus Vagina and I don't like the brand
Rimac - No - Too heavy
AMG-One - Yes - assuming pinnacle as direct F1 influence
Aston Valkeryre - Yes - As above
Carrera GT - No - It killed Paul Walker

Great list right up until the last one.

Carrera GT is one of the very last stick shift, normally aspirated, supercars.

Absolutely. Amazing thing to drive. Also the CGT that Walker does in was on its original tires after many years. Had not been well maintained.


Not easy to drive but pure magic in my view.

[SidewaysSi]

mat205125 said:

Harrison-91xcg said:

Brainstorm:

P1 - No - too generic. Outdone by the superhero, which is the 720s in my book
LATheFerrari - Yes - why = V12
918 - No - uninspiring
TVR Speed 12 - Absolutetly - why - it's a monster v12 stapped to piece of paper covered in petrol
Pagina Zonda run out edition 765557 - Yes - Interior, engine and ground breaking looks
Koesininisgegegsgesg - Yes - monster pure V8. Purpose = go fast
Veyron - No - too fat to be agile
Chiron - No - still too fat to be agile
Lotus Vagina - Yes on the assumption its agile as any other Lotus with the trick aero and relative lightweight. If so it could be the pinnacle of performance
Tesla roadster 2 - No - Poor mans Lotus Vagina and I don't like the brand
Rimac - No - Too heavy
AMG-One - Yes - assuming pinnacle as direct F1 influence
Aston Valkeryre - Yes - As above
Carrera GT - No - It killed Paul Walker

Great list right up until the last one.

Carrera GT is one of the very last stick shift, normally aspirated, supercars.

Don't think the Carrera GT killed Paul Walker...And yes, it's the only modern supercar I want.

[skinny]

janesmith1950 said:

However a BEV 3 box saloon available to buy for the mainstream, that really is a game changer and I'm excited to see how it changes our lives for the better.

I can't excited about a BEV family car. At least not the current offerings. Maybe in 10 years time. The Tesla model 3 is the blandest thing on the menu and the model x looks like a slug.

I'm waiting for something of genuine new exciting engineering progress. It won't come from a car with doors that flap open as it plays music and a sketch pad in the centre console.

However a true BEV hypercar from a proper automotive company with racing/ performance heritage might be a giggle. It will still be owned largely by the story of people who give supercars a bad name tho.
Carrera GT from the above list would be my favourite on my because I've heard it really does not flatter a poor driver

Edited by skinny on Wednesday 24th July 19:15

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skinny said:

I can't excited about a BEV family car. At least not the current offerings. Maybe in 10 years time. The Tesla model 3 is the blandest thing on the menu and the model x looks like a slug.

I'm waiting for something of genuine new exciting engineering progress. It won't come from a car with doors that flap open as it plays music and a sketch pad in the centre console.

I can’t get excited about a family car.

[2manycars]

SidewaysSi said:

mat205125 said:

Harrison-91xcg said:

Brainstorm:

P1 - No - too generic. Outdone by the superhero, which is the 720s in my book
LATheFerrari - Yes - why = V12
918 - No - uninspiring
TVR Speed 12 - Absolutetly - why - it's a monster v12 stapped to piece of paper covered in petrol
Pagina Zonda run out edition 765557 - Yes - Interior, engine and ground breaking looks
Koesininisgegegsgesg - Yes - monster pure V8. Purpose = go fast
Veyron - No - too fat to be agile
Chiron - No - still too fat to be agile
Lotus Vagina - Yes on the assumption its agile as any other Lotus with the trick aero and relative lightweight. If so it could be the pinnacle of performance
Tesla roadster 2 - No - Poor mans Lotus Vagina and I don't like the brand
Rimac - No - Too heavy
AMG-One - Yes - assuming pinnacle as direct F1 influence
Aston Valkeryre - Yes - As above
Carrera GT - No - It killed Paul Walker

Great list right up until the last one.

Carrera GT is one of the very last stick shift, normally aspirated, supercars.

Don't think the Carrera GT killed Paul Walker...And yes, it's the only modern supercar I want.

Unfortunately the CGT is an awful car to drive, it's old and dated with all terrible 986 switchgear. It's not even that quick and feels like it's constantly rattling. You might as well just spend £100k and get a second hand 991.2 Turbo which is infinitely better and more usable.

[Cold]

mat205125 said:

Harrison-91xcg said:

Lotus Vagina

Great list

Really?

[Prinny]

2manycars said:

Unfortunately the CGT is an awful car to drive, it's old and dated with all terrible 986 switchgear. It's not even that quick and feels like it's constantly rattling. You might as well just spend £100k and get a second hand 991.2 Turbo which is infinitely better and more usable.

Pah! Some fiat 500 wannnabe - what do you know?


(Seriously though, that’s quite interesting - from someone with actual experience - all the recent reviews I remember from EVO, etc say that it’s much tamer on modern rubber, but don’t mention the points you do. I suppose it’s no surprise that a press car for a few days gives a different perspective to that of ownership). On a lesser scale, I get where you’re coming from - the M6 is great when you’re on it, but it’s abysmal as a commuter in rush hour traffic.

I do like the ‘not all that quick’ comment though! I would guess it’s fair to say we’re coming from different reference points.

[2manycars]

Prinny said:

2manycars said:

Unfortunately the CGT is an awful car to drive, it's old and dated with all terrible 986 switchgear. It's not even that quick and feels like it's constantly rattling. You might as well just spend £100k and get a second hand 991.2 Turbo which is infinitely better and more usable.

Pah! Some fiat 500 wannnabe - what do you know?


(Seriously though, that’s quite interesting - from someone with actual experience - all the recent reviews I remember from EVO, etc say that it’s much tamer on modern rubber, but don’t mention the points you do. I suppose it’s no surprise that a press car for a few days gives a different perspective to that of ownership). On a lesser scale, I get where you’re coming from - the M6 is great when you’re on it, but it’s abysmal as a commuter in rush hour traffic.

I do like the ‘not all that quick’ comment though! I would guess it’s fair to say we’re coming from different reference points.

Haha you know how much I love my Fiat, so don’t go there Prinny

I think the thing about the CGT is that it’s so overhyped by fanboys that it’s got a massive cult following when it really is just a bit crap. It’s nothing like the LFA.
It’s like the Senna, what a boring useless road car. Most people will say “but it’s supposed to be a mainly track focused car!!!”
Nah, you want a track car that will annihilate most things on track but still want to swing your dick. Go buy a 458 GTE and a trailer. That thing will be far more enjoyable than the Senna. Just a pointless stupid car.

[cerb4.5lee]

Davey S2 said:

cerb4.5lee said:

If I had the money to buy a Veyron I wouldn't buy one, and I'd buy a string of other cars instead up to its value.

That's never the option though is it?

If you have the cash to buy a Veyron you probably already have a dozen other cars already.

Alright...steady on! I feel a big enough loser as it is...so there isn't any need to rub it in even more!

[Mr Tidy]

CABC said:

Chubbyross said:

Nope. Lost interest and I’ve always been a petrolhead. Maybe it’s an age thing but I struggle to see a huge difference between them often. They’re sculpted by wind tunnels and tested on the Nürburgring with, IMHO, a lack of passion in the aesthetic. When I look back to the days of the Countach and Ferrari boxer and testarossa I remember cars that were so different in looks and engineering. As has been posted on here already, a new model was launched every ten years and it felt like a real event. Now I can’t keep up with new McLarens. A new model seem to be announced every few months.

God, I’m getting old!

you (we) are getting old.
the Countach was a hideous car in reality, Testarossa not much better. the reality was nothing like the schoolboy fantasy, if you exclude the numerous blondes dripping over the car every time you returned for a drive.

and with age (wisdom?) comes the feeling that a suitably fettled mx5 delivers sheer driving pleasure. (can't handle more than 3 blondes at a time anyway)

I think age is definitely a factor.

I must be a bit older, because in my teens my poster car was a Ferrari Daytona! For a few years it was the quickest car Autocar magazine had tested.

And in your teens anything seems possible - but as time passes reality sinks in and I know I'll never be looking to buy any new hypercar!

But then where would I get to enjoy it anyway? The roads I grew up using no longer offer opportunities for any fun.

The A3 had a 70 limit up past New Malden - now it has 50 mph average cameras before the Ace of Spades underpass.

The A24 Mickleham Bends had 2 lanes and a 70 limit, but now has one lane heading towards Box Hill with a lower limit and speed cameras.

The A217 all the way from the M25 to Banstead has 40mph average cameras.

Most of the M25 has gantries with cameras, as does the M3 and the M4 is getting them.

These days even a current hot-hatch seems a bit excessive!

[Chubbyross]

I do feel that anything over 500bhp is pointless on UK roads. I very rarely have the chance to go full throttle on my 911 turbo when out and about, even at 6am on a Sunday morning. I felt my old Boxster was much better suited to the road conditions in this country.

I acknowledge that the Countach is hideous to drive by all accounts but at least the available power was useable. Apart from track work I just can’t see the point of cars like the Senna, apart from the looks that it must attract.

Good shout on the Daytona, by the way - a truly beautiful car. I saw one recently at Hexagon Classics and my son had to drag me away.

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Mr Tidy said:

CABC said:

Chubbyross said:

Nope. Lost interest and I’ve always been a petrolhead. Maybe it’s an age thing but I struggle to see a huge difference between them often. They’re sculpted by wind tunnels and tested on the Nürburgring with, IMHO, a lack of passion in the aesthetic. When I look back to the days of the Countach and Ferrari boxer and testarossa I remember cars that were so different in looks and engineering. As has been posted on here already, a new model was launched every ten years and it felt like a real event. Now I can’t keep up with new McLarens. A new model seem to be announced every few months.

God, I’m getting old!

you (we) are getting old.
the Countach was a hideous car in reality, Testarossa not much better. the reality was nothing like the schoolboy fantasy, if you exclude the numerous blondes dripping over the car every time you returned for a drive.

and with age (wisdom?) comes the feeling that a suitably fettled mx5 delivers sheer driving pleasure. (can't handle more than 3 blondes at a time anyway)

I think age is definitely a factor.

I must be a bit older, because in my teens my poster car was a Ferrari Daytona! For a few years it was the quickest car Autocar magazine had tested.

We're probably of similar age then, and yes likewise the Daytona was probably one of the last 'poster' cars for me as a pre-driving teen, along with the Muira.
After the Daytona, only the 77-89 era Aston V8 Vantage and one of the mid-80's rare factory Porsche 930 Turbo 'Flachbau' would get a look-in on the 'wants' list.

Everything since has largely been ignored

[Chainsaw Rebuild]

Having said that I'm not a big fan I have now decided that if I could manage to lease a supercar and then get enough YouTube revenue to pay for it and make attending car shows etc my job I absolutely would.

Unfortunately I suspect that a fat bloke failing to conceal a daft grin that says "I can't believe I'm getting away with this wheeze" is not exactly the video content they are looking for.....

[ghost83]

Maldini35 said:

We need to help this man!

My advice would be sell the GTI and buy buy something much cheaper but still fun.
Plenty of interesting cars out there sub £5k.
A lot of the fun can be in a rolling restoration or gentle modification/improvements.
E.g. tracking down the right alloys on eBay or a drivers seat without a knackered bolster etc.
Then plan some trips or trackdays.

Or book an ARDS test and get your racing license.
This will open up a whole new world.

In my experience it’s more fun thrashing an old Clio around a track than staring at a new car on the driveway that you’re scared to put the miles on.

Just got no passion for any of it anymore! :sad: I’m just stuck in a quandary! I don’t have the time to do a racing licence and go racing, 2 kids and a busy work life puts paid to that! I was looking at RS3s and M2 comps but ultimately someone will end up coming in the house at 3am so the missus would rather not be in that position! The gti and the potential for going missing is giving her nightmares! It’s literally sat in my garage and since it’s mot in March has done about 400 miles! I’m going to get it out in next couple of week for it’s 2yr service and then it will go away till I find time to write a for sale ad!
I also am at the point I want something special with 2 seats but it’s affording it, I’d rather mooch about in the company shed for the next few yrs whilst saving,

I just don’t know I actually feel abit depressed when it comes to cars atm and everything is breaking in the house which is taking a very large chunk of my savings to sort out otherwise I’d have had something special in the next 18 month!

Missus thinks I’m having an early midlife crisis which is causing abit of depression :shrug: