RE: How do you solve a problem like Evija
Discussion
borat52 said:
Electric motors are fantastic, the current (and possibly insurmountable) limitations of batteries are a problem for weight, cost and convenience.
I’d like to see a high performance hydrogen fuel cell demonstrator.
That way you prove the concept of motors, leave the battery tech until such time as it is viable and potentially save a few hundred kg.
That is of course assuming a fuel cell and hydrogen tank come in at less than a battery in terms of weight.
You won't see it, it's a dead end tech. It's easier and more efficient to just use batteries.I’d like to see a high performance hydrogen fuel cell demonstrator.
That way you prove the concept of motors, leave the battery tech until such time as it is viable and potentially save a few hundred kg.
That is of course assuming a fuel cell and hydrogen tank come in at less than a battery in terms of weight.
This is the Real Lotus. Lotus has always been about innovation and those times when Lotus goes stale is when it isn't coming up with something new and exciting.
I personally am not interested in EV cars however there are plenty of people out there who are interested and Lotus is setting itself up for the future so we can enjoy it's cars 30 years from now.
There is nothing wrong with Lotus building a Hypercar. Absolutely nothing. It is an exercise in no limitations for the designers and gives them a prject to work on where they can really go to town and hopefully the new tech and stuff they learn will trickle down into their next lineup of cars.
I personally am not interested in EV cars however there are plenty of people out there who are interested and Lotus is setting itself up for the future so we can enjoy it's cars 30 years from now.
There is nothing wrong with Lotus building a Hypercar. Absolutely nothing. It is an exercise in no limitations for the designers and gives them a prject to work on where they can really go to town and hopefully the new tech and stuff they learn will trickle down into their next lineup of cars.
lotuslover69 said:
This is the Real Lotus. Lotus has always been about innovation and those times when Lotus goes stale is when it isn't coming up with something new and exciting.
I personally am not interested in EV cars however there are plenty of people out there who are interested and Lotus is setting itself up for the future so we can enjoy it's cars 30 years from now.
There is nothing wrong with Lotus building a Hypercar. Absolutely nothing. It is an exercise in no limitations for the designers and gives them a prject to work on where they can really go to town and hopefully the new tech and stuff they learn will trickle down into their next lineup of cars.
Without wanting to be too mean to Lotus, because I’m glad they’re looking to the future again... what is innovative about a honking great battery attached to 4 big motors? The aero is cool looking but also being explored by Valkyrie, Ford GT etc. I personally am not interested in EV cars however there are plenty of people out there who are interested and Lotus is setting itself up for the future so we can enjoy it's cars 30 years from now.
There is nothing wrong with Lotus building a Hypercar. Absolutely nothing. It is an exercise in no limitations for the designers and gives them a prject to work on where they can really go to town and hopefully the new tech and stuff they learn will trickle down into their next lineup of cars.
Water Fairy said:
RobDickinson said:
Yet there's not a single one of us on here who's turn down a day with one..
Actually I would. Why? Because with that much performance on tap I would:a) Probably lose my license
b) Would get very frustrated at trying to be sensible bearing 'a' in mind
c) What's the point bearing 'b' in mind?
If I want a good thrash and enjoy myself I'll take my bike any day of the week or my E46.
I voiced similar to the OP earlier last week and someone suggested I was a wuss. t
t.“Hey do you fancy borrowing this cutting edge 2000hp electric hypercar for the day?”
“Nah I’m good thanks, I’ll take my BMW”
If I actually believed you it would be funny
Mackofthejungle said:
Quite an interesting little article though, makes a good point. Fast electric cars all have to follow the same blueprint - big batteries for range, quite big weight from big battery, powerful motors to overcome big weight
Today, in mid 2019, i'm not sure that's actually the case? Take my "small battery" i3, which chucks out 170 bhp, and weighs a not-too-heavy 1,195 kg for the BeV. In the real world, the performance is plenty fast enough, and today, for the same mass, the car has 2 times the energy storage as mine. So, i think, if you were talking about a small, 2 door, not that many frills sports car, you could probably get it down just over a ton, and wind the volts up a bit and there's 200bhp in the motor, which is a decent sporting pwr to weight. Using an ally tub with plastic panels, a bit like the original elise, and you could build a very fun to drive 2 seater for around £35kIn the real world it would be faster than an old K series Mk1 elise, but do >200mpg equivalent on your commute, with say 100miles range, that would be viable, especially in two car families (where the other car is a big derv estate for example) In effect, it's the 2008 Tesla Roadster (nee elise) with a modern battery!
The author is clearly a lover of the lightweight nimble sports car and why not I, owned a Lotus Exige S for several years, it was magnificent. This legacy has served Lotus very well and I understand the argument.
However, I feel the whole lightweight thing was just an enabler for what the great man was actually trying to achieve, going fast. The true legacy of Colin Chapman's Lotus is utilising whatever technology is available to be the fastest out there. I think the Evija project fits his philosophy perfectly and I wish them well.
However, I feel the whole lightweight thing was just an enabler for what the great man was actually trying to achieve, going fast. The true legacy of Colin Chapman's Lotus is utilising whatever technology is available to be the fastest out there. I think the Evija project fits his philosophy perfectly and I wish them well.
Kenny Powers said:
Water Fairy said:
RobDickinson said:
Yet there's not a single one of us on here who's turn down a day with one..
Actually I would. Why? Because with that much performance on tap I would:a) Probably lose my license
b) Would get very frustrated at trying to be sensible bearing 'a' in mind
c) What's the point bearing 'b' in mind?
If I want a good thrash and enjoy myself I'll take my bike any day of the week or my E46.
I voiced similar to the OP earlier last week and someone suggested I was a wuss. t
t.“Hey do you fancy borrowing this cutting edge 2000hp electric hypercar for the day?”
“Nah I’m good thanks, I’ll take my BMW”
If I actually believed you it would be funny
Now if you offered me a manual LP 550-2 Balboni for the day................
tr3a said:
This picture, with middle-aged men in blue and grey suits around a wildly overpriced, look-at-me EV, turns me off. It makes me yearn for a Tesla even more than before.
A far cry from watching the likes of RJ Scaringe and Musk in action.
Water Fairy said:
I couldn't really give two figs whether you believe me or not. I actually find it hilarious that some struggle so much to accept others different point of view.
Now if you offered me a manual LP 550-2 Balboni for the day................
No no. Don’t misunderstand. You’re absolutely entitled to not like the car for whatever reason, but whether or not you care, I still don’t believe that any car enthusiast would turn down the chance to have a day in a 2000hp supercar. Although of course you’re also entitled to insist that you would pass on the opportunity, so I guess we’ll leave it there.Now if you offered me a manual LP 550-2 Balboni for the day................
But I still don’t believe you
I agree with this. I used to love cars and a new supercar felt special. However, there are so many new hypercars that they feel boring. I know that sounds daft but it's almost commonplace for a manufacturer to release a 1000bhp car. I'm probably in the minority but I appreciated Toyota's GT86 effort to shy away from a bhp arms race.
Trevor Carnage said:
I agree with this. I used to love cars and a new supercar felt special. However, there are so many new hypercars that they feel boring. I know that sounds daft but it's almost commonplace for a manufacturer to release a 1000bhp car. I'm probably in the minority but I appreciated Toyota's GT86 effort to shy away from a bhp arms race.
Shame nobody bought one though.yonex said:
In 40 years we won’t be going to Silverstone classic to watch EV 
Just think about that a moment. In 40 years time, there might not be any petrol readily available for classic cars. Electricity on the other hand will always be accessible, even if only from renewables. So in 40 years time Evija might be considered the Genesis of the Hypercar EV and be as collectible then as a McLaren F1 is now. Evija could in fact be the wisest £2 million long-term investment you’ve ever made. Get yer deposits down sharpish!jjwilde said:
You won't see it, it's a dead end tech. It's easier and more efficient to just use batteries.
You say that, the batteries and motors used for this are dead end tech.The battery's aren't anywhere near peak efficiency/packaging.
The motors are old hat.
Lamborghini were innovative with the Terzo Millennio. This is just recycling someone else's ideas/batteries/motors.
scottydoesntknow said:
I felt the same way about the Corvette reveal. Lots of out of touch middle aged men no doubt rejoicing in the fact that it can take two bags of golf clubs.
A far cry from watching the likes of RJ Scaringe and Musk in action.
Yes, I can’t imagine the GM or Lotus team acting like that utter bell Musk. A far cry from watching the likes of RJ Scaringe and Musk in action.
tr3a said:
This picture, with middle-aged men in blue and grey suits around a wildly overpriced, look-at-me EV, turns me off. It makes me yearn for a Tesla even more than before.
wtf !
Edited by oilit on Thursday 25th July 07:04
Water Fairy said:
Kenny Powers said:
Water Fairy said:
RobDickinson said:
Yet there's not a single one of us on here who's turn down a day with one..
Actually I would. Why? Because with that much performance on tap I would:a) Probably lose my license
b) Would get very frustrated at trying to be sensible bearing 'a' in mind
c) What's the point bearing 'b' in mind?
If I want a good thrash and enjoy myself I'll take my bike any day of the week or my E46.
I voiced similar to the OP earlier last week and someone suggested I was a wuss. t
t.“Hey do you fancy borrowing this cutting edge 2000hp electric hypercar for the day?”
“Nah I’m good thanks, I’ll take my BMW”
If I actually believed you it would be funny
Now if you offered me a manual LP 550-2 Balboni for the day................
You wouldn't thrash either on the road without bringing in the risks / issues that you mention. Thrashing needs something in a much lower performance window. One thing Lotus have been very good at over the years is making cars that somehow excite without being driven that hard (and exciting even more when really pressing on).
I certainly agree that the Lambo would be a great experience and great fun. I think I'd find the Evija a very different but also very interesting experience - imagine if its has any Lotus feel at all and 2000hp, that's a crazy machine. Anyway, I'll have ago in both if anyone is offering :-)
A 2000bhp hypercar is irrelevant in a speed limited country, but so is a Golf R or an M5 or an Exige 430. You’d get from A-B barely any quicker than a 320d, making up only a handful of seconds on each bit of acceleration. It’s got no soul because - what, it isn’t a manual and doesn’t make brum-brum noises? None of the others are manuals either, and you won’t be able to rev them out much beyond first gear. Yes, we like the brum-brum noises, me as much as anyone else, but the world is changing and there are plenty of classic supercars for people who can afford a 2m toy.
It’s a very rich man’s toy, as irrelevant as all the rest of them.
It’s a very rich man’s toy, as irrelevant as all the rest of them.
This is showing what Lotus can do with proper investment. They're going to take on not just Porsche, but everyone including Bugatti too.
Porsche were in deep guano until they put in the investment to build cars in a modern way and now look at them. They still (just about) build sports cars we all drool over. Lotus can do the same and given how good their current cars are, I really look forward to what they will create next.
So basically, you're wrong, Dan.
Porsche were in deep guano until they put in the investment to build cars in a modern way and now look at them. They still (just about) build sports cars we all drool over. Lotus can do the same and given how good their current cars are, I really look forward to what they will create next.
So basically, you're wrong, Dan.
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