If the car industry were like the airline industry...
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Second Best said:
I work in aerospace, and given the stuff I see behind the scenes, I'd wager the following:
Extremely strict safety regulations. Mandatory servicing every 5000 miles or 3 months (whatever's first), MOTs every 6 months, tyre tread depth limits of 3mm.
Every car designed with a backup ECU and wiring. A separate reserve fuel tank for emergencies. A requirement to carry a full servicing kit everywhere you go.
Mandatory pre- and post-driving checks. You are required to write... anything you think needs looking at (e.g. noted a buzz from rear left speaker, recommend replacement)
Whenever you send the car in for a service (every 3 months), it ends up with much more work needed than you thought. You can't refuse. It'll cost about £2000 each time.
Cars will be sold at normal cost but will come with overinflated "service" plans - either you pay £1500 per month for your service plan, or you gamble that one of your 4 services per year won't cost more than £4500. If you go for the latter option you'll be presented with some form of bill that easily beats that.
Taxis will be even more heavily regulated and probably charge £100 per mile .
With all that said, the roads will be nice and empty!
Sounds a bit like owning a classic Ferrari...Extremely strict safety regulations. Mandatory servicing every 5000 miles or 3 months (whatever's first), MOTs every 6 months, tyre tread depth limits of 3mm.
Every car designed with a backup ECU and wiring. A separate reserve fuel tank for emergencies. A requirement to carry a full servicing kit everywhere you go.
Mandatory pre- and post-driving checks. You are required to write... anything you think needs looking at (e.g. noted a buzz from rear left speaker, recommend replacement)
Whenever you send the car in for a service (every 3 months), it ends up with much more work needed than you thought. You can't refuse. It'll cost about £2000 each time.
Cars will be sold at normal cost but will come with overinflated "service" plans - either you pay £1500 per month for your service plan, or you gamble that one of your 4 services per year won't cost more than £4500. If you go for the latter option you'll be presented with some form of bill that easily beats that.
Taxis will be even more heavily regulated and probably charge £100 per mile .
With all that said, the roads will be nice and empty!
if the car industry was like the airline industry? the cars would be significantly better built with much more safety protection within them and more reliable ( and massively more expensive) and drivers would require to be significantly better trained and continuously assessed, and roads would have significantly less hazards on them like bends or trees at the edge of the road..
TBH the only thing that needs to happen is the driver bit. Most accidents are caused by human error.
TBH the only thing that needs to happen is the driver bit. Most accidents are caused by human error.
RSTurboPaul said:
How do the deaths per unit of distance travelled or deaths per unit of time compare?
Interesting calculations, edited for brevity.....
On either measure distance/time air travel is far safer. But what are the figures PER JOURNEY?Interesting calculations, edited for brevity.....
Do we ever actually think about the dangers of making a car journey? But many of us feel a knot in the stomach when the plane is preparing to take off .....
Most plane flights involve at least two car journeys (home to departure airport / arrival airport to destination).
Consider just how many car journeys you make each year.
To & from work that 2 per day 48 weeks / year = 480
Trip to 'fill up' once / week 50
Basic supermarket shop 50
And these are just the basics..... I imagine that many drivers make two or three thousand car journeys a year. Think about it.
Even professional aircrew probably only make a few, say 500 flights pa. But those same people must make 000's of car journeys.
So I wonder if we were to compare serious air crashes per journey with serious car crashes per journey would air travel be seen to be that safe?
bigdog3 said:
DoubleD said:
bigdog3 said:
Bradgate said:
The vast majority of the population would not be capable of passing all of the required tests to qualify for a license.
Sounds great 
DoubleD said:
bigdog3 said:
DoubleD said:
bigdog3 said:
Bradgate said:
The vast majority of the population would not be capable of passing all of the required tests to qualify for a license.
Sounds great Second Best said:
I work in aerospace, and given the stuff I see behind the scenes, I'd wager the following:
Extremely strict safety regulations. Mandatory servicing every 5000 miles or 3 months (whatever's first), MOTs every 6 months, tyre tread depth limits of 3mm.
Every car designed with a backup ECU and wiring. A separate reserve fuel tank for emergencies. A requirement to carry a full servicing kit everywhere you go.
Mandatory pre- and post-driving checks. You are required to write in your service book every time you drive the car - mileage and time at start, mileage and time at end, rough journey plan, and anything you think needs looking at (e.g. noted a buzz from rear left speaker, recommend replacement)
Whenever you send the car in for a service (every 3 months), it ends up with much more work needed than you thought. You can't refuse. It'll cost about £2000 each time.
Cars will be sold at normal cost but will come with overinflated "service" plans - either you pay £1500 per month for your service plan, or you gamble that one of your 4 services per year won't cost more than £4500. If you go for the latter option you'll be presented with some form of bill that easily beats that.
I was thinking the same sort of stuff at first - mostly maintenance related. However, maintenance is only a big deal in the airline industry because of the extreme consequences of failure.Extremely strict safety regulations. Mandatory servicing every 5000 miles or 3 months (whatever's first), MOTs every 6 months, tyre tread depth limits of 3mm.
Every car designed with a backup ECU and wiring. A separate reserve fuel tank for emergencies. A requirement to carry a full servicing kit everywhere you go.
Mandatory pre- and post-driving checks. You are required to write in your service book every time you drive the car - mileage and time at start, mileage and time at end, rough journey plan, and anything you think needs looking at (e.g. noted a buzz from rear left speaker, recommend replacement)
Whenever you send the car in for a service (every 3 months), it ends up with much more work needed than you thought. You can't refuse. It'll cost about £2000 each time.
Cars will be sold at normal cost but will come with overinflated "service" plans - either you pay £1500 per month for your service plan, or you gamble that one of your 4 services per year won't cost more than £4500. If you go for the latter option you'll be presented with some form of bill that easily beats that.
I think most car accidents are as a result of driver error or some other external factor. If your engine stops working on the motorway, it's a pain but usually you'll be able to coast to a standstill without hurting anyone.
Therefore, I think most of the focus would be on the driver and road infrastructure. As others have suggested, more stringent licensing but also more automated driving. Roads with highest accident rates would be made safer by re-designing troublesome sections. Maybe some kind of tiredness and/or soberness test before a car will allow you to drive.
If cars were like planes, every fastener would be different and weird, there would be many more opportunities to injure yourself lavishly and get Skydrol squirted in your eyes.
You would get in your car and realise there is a pissed up couple from Salford beating the s
t out of each other causing you to stop in Carlisle.
You would get in your car and realise there is a pissed up couple from Salford beating the s
t out of each other causing you to stop in Carlisle.
bigdog3 said:
DoubleD said:
bigdog3 said:
DoubleD said:
bigdog3 said:
Bradgate said:
The vast majority of the population would not be capable of passing all of the required tests to qualify for a license.
Sounds great DoubleD said:
bigdog3 said:
DoubleD said:
bigdog3 said:
DoubleD said:
bigdog3 said:
Bradgate said:
The vast majority of the population would not be capable of passing all of the required tests to qualify for a license.
Sounds great 
What would the aviation accident rate be if there was 30 million of them sharing UK airspace though?
In fact to clarify, the safe aviation is commercial airliners. The other small planes have an a death rate higher than cars. Around 30 deaths a year in the UK compared to 1700 or so road deaths. But the number of cars is far higher.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_aviation_i...
I pilots forum I googled had a safety discussion and the consensus was that the risks for small planes was comparable to motorbikes. So many times more dangerous than cars.
In fact to clarify, the safe aviation is commercial airliners. The other small planes have an a death rate higher than cars. Around 30 deaths a year in the UK compared to 1700 or so road deaths. But the number of cars is far higher.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_aviation_i...
I pilots forum I googled had a safety discussion and the consensus was that the risks for small planes was comparable to motorbikes. So many times more dangerous than cars.
Edited by irc on Wednesday 24th July 00:46
Car design would be radically different. No entertainment system and driver controls would be more complex and require vehicle specific certification. In car safety system would be practically nonexistent beyond seat belts so no airbags, crumple zones etc.
Drivers would be trained to a much better degree which would cost more and so reduce the quantity as many either could not afford and have the ability to certify. Drivers wanting to drive faster vehicles would need even more training. Driver would need to have a significant amount of mechanical understanding.
Vehicle costs would be massively increased both to buy and operate
Drivers would be trained to a much better degree which would cost more and so reduce the quantity as many either could not afford and have the ability to certify. Drivers wanting to drive faster vehicles would need even more training. Driver would need to have a significant amount of mechanical understanding.
Vehicle costs would be massively increased both to buy and operate
irc said:
What would the aviation accident rate be if there was 30 million of them sharing UK airspace though?
UK airspace is full already whether Class A or "Free Airspace" - there's no room left:https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advi...
https://nats.aero/blog/2017/05/hidden-secrets-uk-a...
irc said:
What would the aviation accident rate be if there was 30 million of them sharing UK airspace though?
In fact to clarify, the safe aviation is commercial airliners. The other small planes have an a death rate higher than cars. Around 30 deaths a year in the UK compared to 1700 or so road deaths. But the number of cars is far higher.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_aviation_i...
I pilots forum I googled had a safety discussion and the consensus was that the risks for small planes was comparable to motorbikes. So many times more dangerous than cars.
Good points!In fact to clarify, the safe aviation is commercial airliners. The other small planes have an a death rate higher than cars. Around 30 deaths a year in the UK compared to 1700 or so road deaths. But the number of cars is far higher.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_aviation_i...
I pilots forum I googled had a safety discussion and the consensus was that the risks for small planes was comparable to motorbikes. So many times more dangerous than cars.
Edited by irc on Wednesday 24th July 00:46
Interesting chat. I think it's fair the road network would have to give us more space, and there would be far much more automation. Servicing would have to be far stricter and more regular.
It would turn back to time when households just had the one car!
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