RE: Jaguar XJ13 reborn as Ecurie Ecosse LM69

[Nerdherder]

A swoopy car orgasm this.

[abzmike]

I wouldn't want to try reverse parking it in a multi-storey, but that quibble aside, yes please.

[sidesauce]

simonbamg said:

The Surveyor said:

Sorry, but I think this is terrible.

The XJ13's ponderous looks were forgivable due to it's historic context, but this one just looks bulbous and mis-proportioned.

No price given, but for me I'd have an XJ220 over this anyday..

+1

Me too. Don't get the love for the aesthetics, it looks weird and as The Surveyor said, somewhat disproportional.

[CharlesA]

A (the?) XJ13 turned up at my prep school near Rugby in the late 70s. However, researching it now, I'm not sure it could have been - has it ever been let out onto the public roads? On the other hand, I don't think there were any replicas by then, so it must have been the original

any thoughts?

[Water Fairy]

Love it

[The Surveyor]

Electro1980 said:

The Surveyor said:

Sorry, but I think this is terrible.

The XJ13's ponderous looks were forgivable due to it's historic context, but this one just looks bulbous and mis-proportioned.

No price given, but for me I'd have an XJ220 over this anyday..

I know it is your opinion, and you are entitled to that, but it’s wrong.

…....and is that still your opinion now you have seen it compared to the sublime original XJ13?

[ZymoTech]

What are those funny white flap things ahead of the front wheel archs ? They spoil the front end aesthetics for me but otherwise it's a gorgeous looking car.

[A1VDY]

'Ecurie Ecosse'.. Ffs where do car makers get these fkin daft names from pmsl..

[sumpoil]

The dive-planes and blended-in rear spoiler don't do it for me, tbf.

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CharlesA said:

A (the?) XJ13 turned up at my prep school near Rugby in the late 70s. However, researching it now, I'm not sure it could have been - has it ever been let out onto the public roads? On the other hand, I don't think there were any replicas by then, so it must have been the original

any thoughts?

It can’t of been the original one as it was badly damaged in 71, and was restored in the 90’s.

[kambites]

sumpoil said:

The dive-planes and blended-in rear spoiler don't do it for me, tbf.

I don't think the dive-planes are too bad, but the rear end just looks bulbous and weird. Mind you the shape of the rear of the original car was always a bit odd too.

[rev-erend]

Just WOW !

[Nerdherder]

A1VDY said:

'Ecurie Ecosse'.. Ffs where do car makers get these fkin daft names from pmsl..

M’kay.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecurie_Ecosse

[GranCab]

Now THAT is the definition of "Speedtail" ....

[WTFWT]

A1VDY said:

'Ecurie Ecosse'.. Ffs where do car makers get these fkin daft names from pmsl..

Ouch. Hand your card in at the door please.

[GT119]

kambites said:

sumpoil said:

The dive-planes and blended-in rear spoiler don't do it for me, tbf.

I don't think the dive-planes are too bad, but the rear end just looks bulbous and weird. Mind you the shape of the rear of the original car was always a bit odd too.

The original car’s body generated a significant amount of lift I believe, something Jaguar never addressed before the car was mothballed. A Le Mans ready version would probably have looked quite different.

Any modern attempt to recreate the car and achieve a suitable top speed will need to eliminate this. The spoiler/dive plane approach is not subtle but no doubt effective. A more advanced underbody design would probably have gone some way towards an acceptable aerodynamic design but possibly too costly to justify.

If Jaguar do resurrect it themselves it will be interesting to see their approach. Maybe Gordon Murray can lend them the fan car design from his latest V12 creation...

Edited to add that The article states that the EE design team chose to use only technology and design features that were available pre 1969.

Edited by GT119 on Monday 22 July 17:34

Edited by GT119 on Monday 22 July 17:35

[caterhamnut]

Lovely - but...IMO...the section of bodywork above the rear wheel looks rather heavy - and maybe everything behind that gives it the slightly odd proportions of the recent Mclaren Longtail.
But fantastic that this sort of thing is being produced....

[CDP]

andymadmak said:

XJ13 was a 5.0L Quad Cam V12.. Production Jag V12 engines were SOHC per bank. (and ranged from 5.3 to 6.0L)

I can't make out from the pictures, but will this engine be SOHC per bank or Quad Cam? Text says Quad Cam, but that would be horribly expensive to engineer for such a short production run wouldn't it?

The aj6 engine is a derivative of the v12. I understand the heads fit...

[thegreenhell]

article said:

although whether they'll be eligible for entry into historic motorsport events such as Goodwood Revival, we'll have to wait and see.

We really won't. It's an all-new car - nothing historic about it.

[unsprung]

better Ecurie Ecosse

than Ecureuil Ecosse