RE: Jaguar XJ13 reborn as Ecurie Ecosse LM69

[blueg33]

hammo19 said:

.....and British Touring Cars

Indeed - those Scots get everywhere

[MikeT66]

Housey said:

This is lovely and something different to all the straight lines, wings, 2000bhp electric stness

Absolutely. I love this, and much more preferable to the awkward slashes and angles of the latest Corvette, for instance.

[simonjrwinter]

A1VDY said:

'Ecurie Ecosse'.. Ffs where do car makers get these fkin daft names from pmsl..

Somebody needs to brush up on their motorsport history!

[VladD]

Mr Tidy said:

I always thought it was a shame only one XJ13 ever got built, so I really like this.

Now I just need to sort out a lottery win!

So is the one a Gaydon the original?

[drjdog]

The Surveyor said:

Sorry, but I think this is terrible.

The XJ13's ponderous looks were forgivable due to it's historic context, but this one just looks bulbous and mis-proportioned.

No price given, but for me I'd have an XJ220 over this anyday..

Absolutely agree with you. It's awful looking. Nothing elegant or sport looking about it. It's wrong everywhere.

[spikyone]

VladD said:

Mr Tidy said:

I always thought it was a shame only one XJ13 ever got built, so I really like this.

Now I just need to sort out a lottery win!

So is the one a Gaydon the original?

I believe it is the rebuilt original. If it isn't, then I got incredibly excited for no good reason during my visit

[kambites]

simonjrwinter said:

A1VDY said:

'Ecurie Ecosse'.. Ffs where do car makers get these fkin daft names from pmsl..

Somebody needs to brush up on their motorsport history!

Indeed, didn't they win Le Mans?

[Leithen]

kambites said:

simonjrwinter said:

A1VDY said:

'Ecurie Ecosse'.. Ffs where do car makers get these fkin daft names from pmsl..

Somebody needs to brush up on their motorsport history!

Indeed, didn't they win Le Mans?

A Pistonheads connection too.

[cidered77]

A1VDY said:

'Ecurie Ecosse'.. Ffs where do car makers get these fkin daft names from pmsl..

havent gone through the new comments, but i'm betting now this one didn't end well for you...

[NDNDNDND]

drjdog said:

Absolutely agree with you. It's awful looking. Nothing elegant or sport looking about it. It's wrong everywhere.

I find this opinion baffling. I think you're being an ultracrepidarian.

[BigChiefmuffinAgain]

I think this looks lovely, but, seriously, who is going to buy it, other than the mythical billionaire collector who seems to buy all these things....

I happily admit I am no expert on these things, but this is going to be a road car based on something which wasn't even fully developed as a race car, and is only going to use period technology. It is being built by a company with little or know experience of building road cars and, I assume, with very little r&d budget, given the volumes mentioned.

This does not seem to be a recipe for developing a masterpiece....

[NDNDNDND]

BigChiefmuffinAgain said:

I think this looks lovely, but, seriously, who is going to buy it, other than the mythical billionaire collector who seems to buy all these things....

I happily admit I am no expert on these things, but this is going to be a road car based on something which wasn't even fully developed as a race car, and is only going to use period technology. It is being built by a company with little or know experience of building road cars and, I assume, with very little r&d budget, given the volumes mentioned.

This does not seem to be a recipe for developing a masterpiece....

[myhandle]

spikyone said:

I believe it is the rebuilt original. If it isn't, then I got incredibly excited for no good reason during my visit

The one at Gaydon has a few silver oval GFOS stickers on the side so we can assume it’s the one.

[CDP]

spikyone said:

VladD said:

Mr Tidy said:

I always thought it was a shame only one XJ13 ever got built, so I really like this.

Now I just need to sort out a lottery win!

So is the one a Gaydon the original?

I believe it is the rebuilt original. If it isn't, then I got incredibly excited for no good reason during my visit

Rebuilt being the operative word considering the size of the crash...

[lj04]

Remember seeing the original at Le Mans I think in the 90s. Absolutely stunning, mostly because it looked compact. That modern one looks too large. I remember watching the 220s,looked like barge boats compared to their competition at Le Mans.

[ukaskew]

On what planet is this getting close to any sort of historic eligibility? It's certainly not getting FIA papers so very unlikely to see Goodwood Revival action.

[XJ13]

JohnG1 said:

XJ13 had four camshafts and 48 valves. Jaguar tried using some of these cylinder heads during the Le Mans campaigns in the 1990s and the original XJ220 prototype used them before the production vehicle settled on V6 twin-turbo drivetrain.

Would be interested to see what Ecurie Ecosse use...

XJ13 didnt have 48 valves - it had 24. XJ13 heads were NOT used "during the Le Mans campaigns of the 1990s". Baily's XJ13 quad-cam engine is a completely different engine to Mundy/Hassan's later V12

Ecurie Cars are building the LM69 with a unique version of Baily's original 1960s - not an exact replica but inspired by it (and other engines of the era).

[DeejRC]

What ho Neville, how are you?

The engine in this is from your work? Damn good show

Alas, I have to say I’m not a fan of this car It just looks all kinds of wrong for me I’m afraid.

[JohnG1]

XJ13 said:

JohnG1 said:

XJ13 had four camshafts and 48 valves. Jaguar tried using some of these cylinder heads during the Le Mans campaigns in the 1990s and the original XJ220 prototype used them before the production vehicle settled on V6 twin-turbo drivetrain.

Would be interested to see what Ecurie Ecosse use...

XJ13 didnt have 48 valves - it had 24. XJ13 heads were NOT used "during the Le Mans campaigns of the 1990s". Baily's XJ13 quad-cam engine is a completely different engine to Mundy/Hassan's later V12

Ecurie Cars are building the LM69 with a unique version of Baily's original 1960s - not an exact replica but inspired by it (and other engines of the era).

" tried"
I'll dig out my copy of Performance Car with the XJ13 on the front. And my copy of autocar with the xj220 from the Birmingham NEC unveiling on the front - those are my sources...

Given your login name, are you involved with this project?

[thegreenhell]

JohnG1 said:

" tried"
I'll dig out my copy of Performance Car with the XJ13 on the front. And my copy of autocar with the xj220 from the Birmingham NEC unveiling on the front - those are my sources...

Given your login name, are you involved with this project?

XJ13


XJ220 prototype