RE: BMW 330d M Sport Plus | Driven
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NicoG said:
dukebox9reg said:
Seems very rich to me. I'm sure not long ago you'd get into a M3 for that.
As a daily fast derv I'd struggle to walk past a S4/S5.
A well-optioned E9X M3 was nudging £70K...As a daily fast derv I'd struggle to walk past a S4/S5.
They have started knocking 27k off new M5's because they have realised the market isn't there at these prices, my old M5 was 64k after discount in 2014, 5 years later they are having to sell the new one at the same price despite the attempt to load on 10k+ onto the list price.
Seemingly no-one getting the point that BMW's don't sell anywhere near list price and average 15-20% discount. I acquired both of my last 2 BMW's with 20%+ discount and it's not difficult to negotiate, companies like CarWow make it even easier.
People also missing the fact that this is an optioned car and not a stock 330d M Sport.
As for the M340d, it doesn't look like it's going to happen any time soon. No 540d provides strong evidence that the the 40d engine is not coming to the 3 series either. As for M340i pricing, just look at the X3 M40i's pricing and deduct £5k-£8k.
People also missing the fact that this is an optioned car and not a stock 330d M Sport.
As for the M340d, it doesn't look like it's going to happen any time soon. No 540d provides strong evidence that the the 40d engine is not coming to the 3 series either. As for M340i pricing, just look at the X3 M40i's pricing and deduct £5k-£8k.
Kawasicki said:
Wow. Just drove one of these last week.
I wouldn’t use the word “glide“ to describe the ride. Is there a word “unglide“.
One thing I don’t like about most reviews. I think a lot of it is marketing and journos are pushed by the Manufacturer’s to promote certain things like Adaptive Dampers!I wouldn’t use the word “glide“ to describe the ride. Is there a word “unglide“.
I had my 4 series with adaptive dampers for nearly 3 years and honestly speaking, I never felt the difference. Comfort mode had softer throttle and steering but the suspension was more or less the same, it wasn’t a night and day difference and it certainly didn’t ‘glide’ over our s
tty roads on the brickstone Runflat’s Chestrockwell said:
Kawasicki said:
Wow. Just drove one of these last week.
I wouldn’t use the word “glide“ to describe the ride. Is there a word “unglide“.
One thing I don’t like about most reviews. I think a lot of it is marketing and journos are pushed by the Manufacturer’s to promote certain things like Adaptive Dampers!I wouldn’t use the word “glide“ to describe the ride. Is there a word “unglide“.
I had my 4 series with adaptive dampers for nearly 3 years and honestly speaking, I never felt the difference. Comfort mode had softer throttle and steering but the suspension was more or less the same, it wasn’t a night and day difference and it certainly didn’t ‘glide’ over our s
tty roads on the brickstone Runflat’s 
Yeah they're terrible and possibly why you didn't feel the difference.
In fairness we had a 5 series with adaptive dampers and they were very good. At £1000 they had to be but comfort+ was superb at ironing out the roads (even with conti runflats). Sport could have been a tad firmer but was definitely noticeable.
As our first beemer I wish I'd known to ditch the runflats but hey ho.
nickfrog said:
SOL111 said:
Brickstone
Yeah they're terrible and possibly why you didn't feel the difference.
Particularly RF with stiff sidewalls and 1.6mm of tread left... (joke). Yeah they're terrible and possibly why you didn't feel the difference.
Chestrockwell said:
nickfrog said:
SOL111 said:
Brickstone
Yeah they're terrible and possibly why you didn't feel the difference.
Particularly RF with stiff sidewalls and 1.6mm of tread left... (joke). Yeah they're terrible and possibly why you didn't feel the difference.
You did say in that infamous thread that you were running very low when you aquaplanned (surprise, surprise) so those "Brickstones" (ideal name for them) must have felt rock hard towards the end of their useful life, which would mask the benefits of active dampers.
As for a challenge I am tempted to say Nordschleife but DN22 is booked up not that I think it would have been reasonable at £1,500 if you can't even afford the tyres (joke again) - Snet on 15 November ? I'll be there and it's an easy track to learn, happy to instruct for free. The Honda should destroy the field, no sweat.
Edited by nickfrog on Tuesday 23 July 18:46
helix402 said:
Nearly as much power and torque as my 2002 150k miles 330d!
(There’s a little bit of anti diesel anger in this thread-please don’t throw any at me or I might cry)
Excuse me if I'm wrong but "nearly as much" would seem to indicate that it has a little less than the 262bhp your car has. I think you meant "my car has nearly as much power as the new one"....265bhp is more than 262bhp, isn't it? Secondly, I assume yours is mapped? My dad has a 2003 330d and it was only 204bhp.(There’s a little bit of anti diesel anger in this thread-please don’t throw any at me or I might cry)
I bet if you map the new one it'd have more power than your one (well, it has more power as standard, but it'd be even more). I suspect it is more efficient, and chucks out less of the nasty emissions too.
E65Ross said:
helix402 said:
Nearly as much power and torque as my 2002 150k miles 330d!
(There’s a little bit of anti diesel anger in this thread-please don’t throw any at me or I might cry)
Excuse me if I'm wrong but "nearly as much" would seem to indicate that it has a little less than the 262bhp your car has. I think you meant "my car has nearly as much power as the new one"....265bhp is more than 262bhp, isn't it? Secondly, I assume yours is mapped? My dad has a 2003 330d and it was only 204bhp.(There’s a little bit of anti diesel anger in this thread-please don’t throw any at me or I might cry)
I bet if you map the new one it'd have more power than your one (well, it has more power as standard, but it'd be even more). I suspect it is more efficient, and chucks out less of the nasty emissions too.
nickfrog said:
You did say in that infamous thread that you were running very low when you aquaplanned (surprise, surprise) so those "Brickstones" (ideal name for them) must have felt rock hard towards the end of their useful life, which would mask the benefits of active dampers.
As for a challenge I am tempted to say Nordschleife but DN22 is booked up not that I think it would have been reasonable at £1,500 if you can't even afford the tyres (joke again) - Snet on 15 November ? I'll be there and it's an easy track to learn, happy to instruct for free. The Honda should destroy the field, no sweat.
Edited by nickfrog on Tuesday 23 July 18:46
Chestrockwell said:
E65Ross said:
helix402 said:
Nearly as much power and torque as my 2002 150k miles 330d!
(There’s a little bit of anti diesel anger in this thread-please don’t throw any at me or I might cry)
Excuse me if I'm wrong but "nearly as much" would seem to indicate that it has a little less than the 262bhp your car has. I think you meant "my car has nearly as much power as the new one"....265bhp is more than 262bhp, isn't it? Secondly, I assume yours is mapped? My dad has a 2003 330d and it was only 204bhp.(There’s a little bit of anti diesel anger in this thread-please don’t throw any at me or I might cry)
I bet if you map the new one it'd have more power than your one (well, it has more power as standard, but it'd be even more). I suspect it is more efficient, and chucks out less of the nasty emissions too.
E65Ross said:
It's also worth noting that his tuned one actually produces less torque up to above 2500rpm and the band of power is narrower than the newer model. I reckon the newer one would be quicker. And less smelly, as you say
Some interesting points. The new 330d has 265ps=261bhp. My 330d has less torque below 2500rpm to save the flywheel. Whether my old one is slower or faster than the new one is quite irrelevant. I know mine has worst emissions-but what’s worse for the planet, run an old car to huge mileage or buy a new one each year?
Re mpg etc, I doubt the new one is better.
It’s all amusing chat, I can’t afford a new 330d. I’m very happy with my old one which cost just over £1k. Rather than 50. It’s also slightly modified.
helix402 said:
E65Ross said:
It's also worth noting that his tuned one actually produces less torque up to above 2500rpm and the band of power is narrower than the newer model. I reckon the newer one would be quicker. And less smelly, as you say
Some interesting points. The new 330d has 265ps=261bhp. My 330d has less torque below 2500rpm to save the flywheel. Whether my old one is slower or faster than the new one is quite irrelevant. I know mine has worst emissions-but what’s worse for the planet, run an old car to huge mileage or buy a new one each year?
Re mpg etc, I doubt the new one is better.
It’s all amusing chat, I can’t afford a new 330d. I’m very happy with my old one which cost just over £1k. Rather than 50. It’s also slightly modified.
I understand where you're coming from, but I just don't think it's a valid argument....someone has to buy new cars, because otherwise they'd be no 2nd hand cars for us to buy.
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