RE: BMW 330d M Sport Plus | Driven

[nickfrog]

Blown2CV said:

nickfrog said:

nuttywobbler said:

nickfrog said:

It would if it was, but it isn't. It's £35k after discount. Still.

Really? Where from / what's your source?

BMW website will confirm that the list price is nowhere near £50k and either a broker like Coast to Coast or a friendly dealer will sell it to you for around £35k.

i really don't think BMW's official website will confirm any such thing.

Yes I really think that the BMW website will confirm what the price list is, which will confirm it's nowhere near £50k.

[nickfrog]

nuttywobbler said:

nickfrog said:

www.bmw.co.uk

You don't need a broker, TRL @ Berry BMW for example, will help.

Edited by nickfrog on Wednesday 24th July 10:56

As suspected, you've nothing to back up where your figures have come from.

So the price for the car in the article is indeed £51,605 (until somebody can prove otherwise?). Will a broker or TRL offer a 32% discount? I can't see it, personally.

What? Just look at the BMW website, it's £41.5k OTR for a 330d saloon in M Sport. Coast to Coast have it at £35k, which TRL can normally beat, he has for me in the past. No need to get 32% off nor to buy fast depreciating options. I reckon the £51k is as tested, as in with £10k of mainly useless options although the diff is perhaps the exception. I am just trying to help here, not argue. I don't need to back anything up, this is all in the public domain. If you "suspected" anything then just say so to start with, although I have no idea what you're on about tbh. If you think it's £51k for a 330d M Sport then so be it.

[Court_S]

Current discounts are c.14% based on Coast2Coast cars.

Not sure what all the options the test car had but a 330d M sport with plus pack andHK stereo came out at £38k after discount. There’s a lot of scope to add a heap more cash.

[tekyd]

I stopped at £51k.

I wonder where private sales are with these cars. I suspect low, and only with heavy discounting.

These cars are more about the monthly figure for fleets.

[nuttywobbler]

nickfrog said:

nuttywobbler said:

nickfrog said:

www.bmw.co.uk

You don't need a broker, TRL @ Berry BMW for example, will help.

Edited by nickfrog on Wednesday 24th July 10:56

As suspected, you've nothing to back up where your figures have come from.

So the price for the car in the article is indeed £51,605 (until somebody can prove otherwise?). Will a broker or TRL offer a 32% discount? I can't see it, personally.

What? Just look at the BMW website, it's £41.5k OTR for a 330d saloon in M Sport. Coast to Coast have it at £35k, which TRL can normally beat, he has for me in the past. No need to get 32% off nor to buy fast depreciating options. I reckon the £51k is as tested, as in with £10k of mainly useless options although the diff is perhaps the exception. I am just trying to help here, not argue. I don't need to back anything up, this is all in the public domain. If you "suspected" anything then just say so to start with, although I have no idea what you're on about tbh. If you think it's £51k for a 330d M Sport then so be it.

I'm really struggling to understand your angle here. Have you actually read the article?

Yes, the list price of a billy basic 330d M Sport in PCP white is £42kish - no one has disputed that - but that's not what the Pistonheads article is about, nor is it what people (me included) are talking about. Just you me old bean!

The article talks about an M Sport Plus car, with option packs and a trick diff etc, which has a price of £51k. Not £42k. It even states in the article:

"Inside, it's been kitted out with BMW's top-spec 7.0 cabin operating system and head-up display, among other things, resulting in an on the road price of £51,605 - more than £10k up on an entry-level 330d."

One more time... the car in the article is not going to be discounted to £35k by a broker, TRL or anyone else

[E65Ross]

nuttywobbler said:

nickfrog said:

BMW website will confirm that the list price is nowhere near £50k and either a broker like Coast to Coast or a friendly dealer will sell it to you for around £35k.

So the Pistonheads article is wrong? It quotes the price as £51,605?

No doubt brokers will offer a discount, but a discount of £16,605 / over 32% on a new model? I can't see it personally.

330d M sport starts at £41k according to BMW website.

[nickfrog]

nuttywobbler said:

nickfrog said:

nuttywobbler said:

nickfrog said:

www.bmw.co.uk

You don't need a broker, TRL @ Berry BMW for example, will help.

Edited by nickfrog on Wednesday 24th July 10:56

As suspected, you've nothing to back up where your figures have come from.

So the price for the car in the article is indeed £51,605 (until somebody can prove otherwise?). Will a broker or TRL offer a 32% discount? I can't see it, personally.

What? Just look at the BMW website, it's £41.5k OTR for a 330d saloon in M Sport. Coast to Coast have it at £35k, which TRL can normally beat, he has for me in the past. No need to get 32% off nor to buy fast depreciating options. I reckon the £51k is as tested, as in with £10k of mainly useless options although the diff is perhaps the exception. I am just trying to help here, not argue. I don't need to back anything up, this is all in the public domain. If you "suspected" anything then just say so to start with, although I have no idea what you're on about tbh. If you think it's £51k for a 330d M Sport then so be it.

I'm really struggling to understand your angle here. Have you actually read the article?

Yes, the list price of a billy basic 330d M Sport in PCP white is £42kish - no one has disputed that - but that's not what the Pistonheads article is about, nor is it what people (me included) are talking about. Just you me old bean!

The article talks about an M Sport Plus car, with option packs and a trick diff etc, which has a price of £51k. Not £42k. It even states in the article:

"Inside, it's been kitted out with BMW's top-spec 7.0 cabin operating system and head-up display, among other things, resulting in an on the road price of £51,605 - more than £10k up on an entry-level 330d."

One more time... the car in the article is not going to be discounted to £35k by a broker, TRL or anyone else

I can see your angle on this. Well done, you're talking about the stupidly specced car in the article which will drive exactly like a discounted one without the gadgets. Is anyone allowed to not spend £10k in gadgets? Not that there is anything basic about a £35k 330d M Sport. It even comes with the 7.0 top spec infotainment as std (the article makes it sound like it's an option}. You can buy the diff for less than £2k though and if you don't like white then pay for MP, utterly irrelevant. Either way you don't need to pay £51k for one as £35k will do of £37.5k with the diff and paint. If you think it's still a £51k car as the one they tested is a press car and will be drastically different to a £37.5k one then I can't really help as I didn't realise someone could be so highly strung and pedantic. Again, I was genuinely trying to help as I thought you wanted to buy one. Clearly not the case.

Edited by nickfrog on Wednesday 24th July 14:57

[E65Ross]

nuttywobbler said:

nickfrog said:

nuttywobbler said:

nickfrog said:

www.bmw.co.uk

You don't need a broker, TRL @ Berry BMW for example, will help.

Edited by nickfrog on Wednesday 24th July 10:56

As suspected, you've nothing to back up where your figures have come from.

So the price for the car in the article is indeed £51,605 (until somebody can prove otherwise?). Will a broker or TRL offer a 32% discount? I can't see it, personally.

What? Just look at the BMW website, it's £41.5k OTR for a 330d saloon in M Sport. Coast to Coast have it at £35k, which TRL can normally beat, he has for me in the past. No need to get 32% off nor to buy fast depreciating options. I reckon the £51k is as tested, as in with £10k of mainly useless options although the diff is perhaps the exception. I am just trying to help here, not argue. I don't need to back anything up, this is all in the public domain. If you "suspected" anything then just say so to start with, although I have no idea what you're on about tbh. If you think it's £51k for a 330d M Sport then so be it.

I'm really struggling to understand your angle here. Have you actually read the article?

Yes, the list price of a billy basic 330d M Sport in PCP white is £42kish - no one has disputed that - but that's not what the Pistonheads article is about, nor is it what people (me included) are talking about. Just you me old bean!

The article talks about an M Sport Plus car, with option packs and a trick diff etc, which has a price of £51k. Not £42k. It even states in the article:

"Inside, it's been kitted out with BMW's top-spec 7.0 cabin operating system and head-up display, among other things, resulting in an on the road price of £51,605 - more than £10k up on an entry-level 330d."

One more time... the car in the article is not going to be discounted to £35k by a broker, TRL or anyone else

Maybe nobody would discount this car to £35k, but if they discount a basic car to £35k from £41k then it's reasonable to assume that they'd discount the £51k car to nearer £45k or less, likely less.

I don't see why the fact it's a diesel should mean it's ridiculous the price is so high, aren't diesel engines often more expensive than petrol equivalents? If a McLaren Senna had a 3 litre diesel engine (heaven forbid), it's not going to suddenly be a ridiculously expensive car if it was £51k.

[nickfrog]

I ticked every single option on the configurator and got to...£51k. Absolutely not representative of how a typical 330d would need to be to drive like the one that was test driven.

[nuttywobbler]

nickfrog said:

I can see your angle on this. Well done, you're talking about the stupidly specced car in the article which will drive exactly like a discounted one without the gadgets. Is anyone allowed to not spend £10k in gadgets? Not that there is anything basic about a £35k 330d M Sport. It even comes with the 7.0 top spec infotainment as std (the article makes it sound like it's an option}. You can buy the diff for less than £2k though and if you don't like white then pay for MP, utterly irrelevant. Either way you don't need to pay £51k for one as £35k will do of £37.5k with the diff and paint. If you think it's still a £51k car as the one they tested is a press car and will be drastically different to a £37.5k one then I can't really help as I didn't realise someone could be so highly strung and pedantic. Again, I was genuinely trying to help as I thought you wanted to buy one. Clearly not the case.

Edited by nickfrog on Wednesday 24th July 14:57

Well of course I'm talking about the car in the article - as is everybody else I'd wager... why would I be talking about anything else?

[nickfrog]

nuttywobbler said:

Well of course I'm talking about the car in the article - as is everybody else I'd wager... why would I be talking about anything else?

I am deeply sorry to hear that you are so unhappy.

I am also talking about the £35k BMW 330d M Sport. Or £37k with diff.

Edited by nickfrog on Wednesday 24th July 16:42

[gigglebug]

nuttywobbler said:

As has been said, £51k for a 260bhp diesel 3 series just seems... mad. Absolutely mad. What will the 335d start at? £60k?

To be fair it was you who gave the impression that you were talking about base prices and not specced up prices in your very first post.

[Blown2CV]

nickfrog said:

Blown2CV said:

nickfrog said:

nuttywobbler said:

nickfrog said:

It would if it was, but it isn't. It's £35k after discount. Still.

Really? Where from / what's your source?

BMW website will confirm that the list price is nowhere near £50k and either a broker like Coast to Coast or a friendly dealer will sell it to you for around £35k.

i really don't think BMW's official website will confirm any such thing.

Yes I really think that the BMW website will confirm what the price list is, which will confirm it's nowhere near £50k.

the price is the list price plus options.

[nickfrog]

Blown2CV said:

the price is the list price plus options.

Or without them if you don't want them. No one has to have all the options or any for that matter, irrespective of how loaded the press cars are. It is still the same car, with less gadgets but for £15k less than £51k after discount. Good to see the Chief Pedant Officer is back though.

[Blown2CV]

nickfrog said:

Blown2CV said:

the price is the list price plus options.

Or without them if you don't want them. No one has to have all the options or any for that matter, irrespective of how loaded the press cars are. It is still the same car, with less gadgets but for £15k less than £51k after discount. Good to see the Chief Pedant Officer is back though.

I wouldn't buy a new one anyway. I have a 63 plate 330d X-Drive with all sorts of options and I paid £17k for it last year. With fundamentally the same engine as this one, I wouldn't even want to pay (actual) list or even discounted prices, options or no.

[E65Ross]

I'm kind of with Nickfrog on this one....his point is very valid. Why?

people - "£51k for a 330d is madness"

him - "but they are always available with a discount"

people - "but this one has options"

his point is that, even with those options, if someone walked into a showroom and specced that car, they wouldn't be having to pay £51k to get into one. Thus I think he is making a valid point and the argument that "it IS a £51k car is madness" isn't right, because nobody will pay £51k for one, even with the options specced.

[nuttywobbler]

E65Ross said:

I'm kind of with Nickfrog on this one....his point is very valid. Why?

people - "£51k for a 330d is madness"

him - "but they are always available with a discount"

people - "but this one has options"

his point is that, even with those options, if someone walked into a showroom and specced that car, they wouldn't be having to pay £51k to get into one. Thus I think he is making a valid point and the argument that "it IS a £51k car is madness" isn't right, because nobody will pay £51k for one, even with the options specced.

If you say so

[E65Ross]

nuttywobbler said:

If you say so

I'm not sure what's more funny, either you not acknowledging his very relevant point, or you being daft enough that if someone specced this car up that you think they'd actually be paying list price

[NicoG]

E65Ross said:

Maybe nobody would discount this car to £35k, but if they discount a basic car to £35k from £41k then it's reasonable to assume that they'd discount the £51k car to nearer £45k or less, likely less.

I don't see why the fact it's a diesel should mean it's ridiculous the price is so high, aren't diesel engines often more expensive than petrol equivalents? If a McLaren Senna had a 3 litre diesel engine (heaven forbid), it's not going to suddenly be a ridiculously expensive car if it was £51k.

Absolutely not, It'd need to be (mapped) though.

[SOL111]

E65Ross said:

Maybe nobody would discount this car to £35k, but if they discount a basic car to £35k from £41k then it's reasonable to assume that they'd discount the £51k car to nearer £45k or less, likely less.

Not unreasonable at all. I think it's perhaps too early for big discounts but they'll come.

BMW tend to offer deposit and dealer contributions, which seem to vary, dealer to dealer. For the previous 3 series, the typical combined contributions were around £10k for a 340i or 335d before options. From experience, further discounts aren't offered on options but there may be further wiggle room on the final deal, if the dealership is looking to close quickly.

TRL does some great looking deals but I've always managed similar or better from my local so worth phoning round.