RE: BMW 330d M Sport Plus | Driven
Discussion
Onehp said:
Don't be blinded by numbers, the 30d engine is a bit of a sweet spot, 40d and even 50d versions exist, but other than more power, they don't up the driving experience/feel much and tend to make less sense purchase and mpg wise...
+1. I've had 35d and 30d stuff and the former got considerable s
tter MPG, struggling to get mid 30s, and just generally sounded and felt rougher. In reality according to the tuner I've spoken to they're also usually quite down on quoted power, which is what I found with my own.I've had plenty of 30d engined cars so if anyone's thinking of going for one, I can recommend. Paying that much maybe not so much. They've always been reliable though and my current 30d is 315hp/660nm and returns 50mpg at 70mph. Maybe not in an ideal 'hohoho just get a 140i or a McLaren' world, but for those of us do a lot of miles I can't think of anything I'd rather have.
My 430d GC with a few options such as M+, adaptive dampers, sun roof and a few others I don’t remember made the list price 44k in 2015.
51k seems a bit steep considering it’s just a 330d. I know nobody will end up paying list prices on these and they will be discounted but it still means it’s about 5k more expensive than the outgoing model!
A 44k 430d in 2015 will be knocked down to 39. This 51k 330d will probably be knocked down to 45 and the buyer will think he got the upper hand as he got a 6k discount but, did he?
In terms of the car, I don’t doubt for a second that this will be a fantastic machine and the interior is the biggest improvement. The only bother I have is that it doesn’t have the same engine as other 30d variants on sale with 465lb ft.
I wonder how much the new M440i or 430d will cost, I thought either could my next car in a few years depending on price but after seeing the price of this, I don’t think it’s going to be in my budget.
Oh well, I’m still in the quickest hot hatch in the world with rear seats, will eat Golf R’s for breakfast and have Japanese reliability so I’m not bothered
51k seems a bit steep considering it’s just a 330d. I know nobody will end up paying list prices on these and they will be discounted but it still means it’s about 5k more expensive than the outgoing model!
A 44k 430d in 2015 will be knocked down to 39. This 51k 330d will probably be knocked down to 45 and the buyer will think he got the upper hand as he got a 6k discount but, did he?
In terms of the car, I don’t doubt for a second that this will be a fantastic machine and the interior is the biggest improvement. The only bother I have is that it doesn’t have the same engine as other 30d variants on sale with 465lb ft.
I wonder how much the new M440i or 430d will cost, I thought either could my next car in a few years depending on price but after seeing the price of this, I don’t think it’s going to be in my budget.
Oh well, I’m still in the quickest hot hatch in the world with rear seats, will eat Golf R’s for breakfast and have Japanese reliability so I’m not bothered
I've always been a fan of the 330d and I remember paying £33k for a 3 month old one back in 2006 so the price has gone up a fair bit(to be expected I suppose).
As a petrol head it does pain me to say this but I actually preferred the E90 330d to the E90 330i that I had a few years later(both 2006 models).
I'm a big fan of the current 3 series and I don't think that you can go far wrong with them if you want a decent all round car for sure.The 2006 330d did 0 to 60 in 6.7 seconds and this one does it in 5.5 seconds so they are certainly getting quicker.
As a petrol head it does pain me to say this but I actually preferred the E90 330d to the E90 330i that I had a few years later(both 2006 models).
I'm a big fan of the current 3 series and I don't think that you can go far wrong with them if you want a decent all round car for sure.The 2006 330d did 0 to 60 in 6.7 seconds and this one does it in 5.5 seconds so they are certainly getting quicker.
cerb4.5lee said:
I've always been a fan of the 330d and I remember paying £33k for a 3 month old one back in 2006 so the price has gone up a fair bit(to be expected I suppose).
As a petrol head it does pain me to say this but I actually preferred the E90 330d to the E90 330i that I had a few years later(both 2006 models).
I'm a big fan of the current 3 series and I don't think that you can go far wrong with them if you want a decent all round car for sure.The 2006 330d did 0 to 60 in 6.7 seconds and this one does it in 5.5 seconds so they are certainly getting quicker.
The best thing about these 3.0 diesels isn’t the 0-60 either, it’s the mid range torque, it was addictive! So effortless As a petrol head it does pain me to say this but I actually preferred the E90 330d to the E90 330i that I had a few years later(both 2006 models).
I'm a big fan of the current 3 series and I don't think that you can go far wrong with them if you want a decent all round car for sure.The 2006 330d did 0 to 60 in 6.7 seconds and this one does it in 5.5 seconds so they are certainly getting quicker.
Marvin Trill said:
But a hot hatch is the only thing that ticks most of the boxes most of the time.
For you. Apart from 4 wheels and a seat, it ticks almost none of the boxes on my list.And the car in question, I'm sure the latest 3 series is a great car, but it's all a little boring.
wab172uk said:
Think it's aimed squarely at the company car market, where Diesel and big miles makes sense.
Is it? The tax implications of a 330d are massive now that the government has decided that diesel is evil and have pushed the percentages up big time over the last two years. This will be 35% of the list price multiplied by your tax rate, so assuming a higher rate payer it’ll be £600 plus a month. Ouch.If you factor in the loss of a cash alternative, then it’s truly eye watering.
I’ve seen a few around now and other than the grille, they don’t look too bad but the pricing seems mental to me. It's those high list prices that will really hurt the company car drivers.
Chestrockwell said:
The best thing about these 3.0 diesels isn’t the 0-60 either, it’s the mid range torque, it was addictive! So effortless
Yes and I remember the first time that I put my foot down in the 330d and I was shocked at how much punch it had. I'd always associated diesels as being slow/sluggish cars previously to then. The effortless torque spoils you and I ended up being really disappointed by the E92 M3 I had as my daily in comparison. I also much preferred the 640d I had as a daily to the M3 as well.
I'd probably consider the E92 M3 as a second/occasional car though but they are just too frustrating to use as a daily for me. I've been spoilt by the power delivery of the diesels.
forrestgrump said:
+1. I've had 35d and 30d stuff and the former got considerable stter MPG, struggling to get mid 30s, and just generally sounded and felt rougher. In reality according to the tuner I've spoken to they're also usually quite down on quoted power, which is what I found with my own.
+2tter MPG, struggling to get mid 30s, and just generally sounded and felt rougher. In reality according to the tuner I've spoken to they're also usually quite down on quoted power, which is what I found with my own.The 30d is a brilliant diesel engine. The law of diminishing returns applies when upgrading to 35d/40d. They don't feel much quicker, are equally soulless and give significantly lower economy in mixed driving.
Shiv_P said:
JamesRR said:
If the author thinks that a 330d has ‘just enough torque to be throttle adjustable’ then they aren’t driving it properly. My F30 320d has a fair whack less torque than this and is definitely throttle adjustable. Even an E46 M3 has less torque than my car and I’d hardly say it was anything but throttle adjustable.
Chris Harris quote timeF30 320d video
"you'd never call it throttle adjustable"
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