RE: BMW 330d M Sport Plus | Driven

[NicoG]

dukebox9reg said:

Seems very rich to me. I'm sure not long ago you'd get into a M3 for that.

As a daily fast derv I'd struggle to walk past a S4/S5.

A well-optioned E9X M3 was nudging £70K...

[Harry_523]

scottygib553 said:

Bangs knife and fork on table “Touring! Touring!”

330d Tourings only available in bloody Xdrive!

Have to get a 5 series touring if you want a 30d with RWD

[Poppiecock]

thebraketester said:

wab172uk said:

Think it's aimed squarely at the company car market, where Diesel and big miles makes sense.

But the 320D would surely give better fuel consumption.

Nobody is getting a 330d as a company car - the BIK tax is just too high. This particular car, with the options specified would come in at about £500 per month. Even a non-optioned M Sport Plus is nearly £470 a month! - contrast to the 330e M Sport which is £215 this year, dropping to £160 next year. And the 330e can peak at 296bhp, too. (Also, a 330e M Sport is under £40k, too, so it's cheaper than a 330d).

[IanJ9375]

Poppiecock said:

Nobody is getting a 330d as a company car - the BIK tax is just too high. This particular car, with the options specified would come in at about £500 per month. Even a non-optioned M Sport Plus is nearly £470 a month! - contrast to the 330e M Sport which is £215 this year, dropping to £160 next year. And the 330e can peak at 296bhp, too. (Also, a 330e M Sport is under £40k, too, so it's cheaper than a 330d).

Agreed - we've held on to our 330d (15plate) past the replacement point as waiting for BMW to make the 330e and LEX to offer it on their portal, now have a 330e MSport+ on order.
With the PUC fee to go over the banding and the BIK it's working out about 1/2 the price of a 330d, and if it's anywhere near the economy of the regular 330i (we ran one for a few days and it avg 40mpg which is just shy of what we get out of the 330d) with the added benefit of being able to charge it then we'll be happy.

[NicoG]

Poppiecock said:

Nobody is getting a 330d as a company car - the BIK tax is just too high. This particular car, with the options specified would come in at about £500 per month. Even a non-optioned M Sport Plus is nearly £470 a month! - contrast to the 330e M Sport which is £215 this year, dropping to £160 next year. And the 330e can peak at 296bhp, too. (Also, a 330e M Sport is under £40k, too, so it's cheaper than a 330d).

Could you clarify; are you saying you know of a place I can get a new 330e M-Sport for £215.month?
Or have I misunderstood...?

[helix402]

Nearly as much power and torque as my 2002 150k miles 330d!



(There’s a little bit of anti diesel anger in this thread-please don’t throw any at me or I might cry)

[Andy665]

Whilst I can understand the argument that it is "all the car you will ever need" its a very different thing to saying its "all the car you will ever want"

After living with an M135i for 2 years my decision on its replacement was entirely rational, more space, better traction, just as quick, similar price - ended up with a Leon Cupra 4Drive - on paper its all the car I wanted, in practice its boring me stupid and will be going back 3-4 months early

[IanJ9375]

NicoG said:

Could you clarify; are you saying you know of a place I can get a new 330e M-Sport for £215.month?
Or have I misunderstood...?

BIK rate - company car tax

[toon10]

If I wanted a practical BMW at that price, I'd rather have the X3 m40i. How much will the new m340i be I wonder? OK, I'll burn more fuel but if I'm paying over £50k for a car, I can afford to. As mentioned, not many people will get this over the 320d for company hacks.

[nicfaz]

simonwhite2000 said:

The best part about this thread is nobody has mentioned T#S#A. Bliss.
I agree on the price being eye watering. Cars in general though have really gone up in price. 77k for a new S6 avant on the trader.

Sorry but at £51k I’d be buying a T#s#a model 3 performance, which is miles quicker, much cheaper to run and naff all BIK for the company caristas. Of course I don’t do 600 miles before breakfast every morning like some on here, and I have somewhere to charge it at home.

(And then I’d buy the Caterham too)

[RobDickinson]

^ I didnt mention it...

[nickfrog]

A 330d M Sport is £41k OTR. Even with a few unnecessary gadgets but after discount it's around £36k which sounds like a bargain.

Forget £51k.

[garystoybox]

NicoG said:

A well-optioned E9X M3 was nudging £70K...

Just checked the invoice on file for my then new well specced factory order 2011 LCI M3, it cost me £48,800 after discount.
We all know there’ll be £10k discount of these within months and huge numbers of pre reg vehicles on the forecourt.

[nickfrog]

Max_Torque said:

PHarticle] Maybe it's the added weight of a 3.0-litre unit up front enhancing the mechanical grip of those Michelins [/qote said:

hmmm, i don't want to break it to you, but you just broke the laws of physics!

That made me laugh. A bit of a worry that a road tester thinks that weight adds lateral grip.

[NicoG]

garystoybox said:

Just checked the invoice on file for my then new well specced factory order 2011 LCI M3, it cost me £48,800 after discount.
We all know there’ll be £10k discount of these within months and huge numbers of pre reg vehicles on the forecourt.

My Mineral White spec'd-up 2011 E92 LCI had a list of £68K.
Sorry I should have been clear I was talking about list. Apples with Apples and all that.

[Car-Matt]

JamesRR said:

Shiv_P said:

JamesRR said:

If the author thinks that a 330d has ‘just enough torque to be throttle adjustable’ then they aren’t driving it properly. My F30 320d has a fair whack less torque than this and is definitely throttle adjustable. Even an E46 M3 has less torque than my car and I’d hardly say it was anything but throttle adjustable.

Chris Harris quote time
F30 320d video
"you'd never call it throttle adjustable"

I have a lot of time for Chris Harris and his opinions on a car, but I disagree with him here. Maybe when he’s used to M cars and the like the 320d isn’t very throttle adjustable, but in the sphere it competes in its a satisfying drivers car with an element of throttle adjustability. So this new 330d is, I’d wager, inherently throttle adjustable and the article appears to be underplaying it.

I'd agree its (320d) throttle adjustable in so much as you can stimulate some weight transfer to start to exploit the chassis, for example trailing throttle into the apex of an island on a dual carriageway then a sharp lift and power on hard to swing the weight round works well in my car, very well, but in no way is it giving you any power oversteer apart from snow, or a very wet island with a diesel spill and over inflated tyres. Simply too much grip for the torque

[Water Fairy]

Marvin Trill said:

Skyman said:

Marvin Trill said:

I get the "Diesel is all you ever need." thing, indeed they are efficient lumps. But a weekend over the Cotswolds in a MK7 Golf R confirms to me hot hatches are all the car you ever need.

Nonsense comment.

How so ?

Ignore them, some people like to take the mick simply because you have a different perspective to them. I know what you meant, but perhaps a Golf R estate is more acurately 'all the car you'd ever need'?

[MrGeoff]

mrclav said:

sidesauce said:

yonex said:

Marvin Trill said:

I get the "Diesel is all you ever need." thing, indeed they are efficient lumps. But a weekend over the Cotswolds in a MK7 Golf R confirms to me hot hatches are all the car you ever need.

A day at Spa confirms to me that an F1 car is all the car you ever need.

24 hours at Circuit de la Sarthe in a Porsche 919 confirms to me Le Mans Prototypes are all the car you ever need.

A blast in Peru for the Dakar Rally in a Toyota Gazoo Racing Hilux confirms to me that specialised racing pick-up trucks are all the the car you ever need.

This has me in stitches, brilliant

[hyphen]

Marvin Trill said:

I get the "Diesel is all you ever need." thing, indeed they are efficient lumps. But a weekend over the Cotswolds in a MK7 Golf R confirms to me hot hatches are all the car you ever need.

What are you going to do after the R gets 'jacked though...

[PorkInsider]

9k rpm said:

£50k is ridiculous! For £50k you could have a mildly used Bentley with only 100k miles.

I wonder how much these will be discounted and what the PCP payments will be...... no one buys these with cash they can’t afford to.



Bodes well for the M340i.

Difficult to tell whether you're being serious or not, but it's a £50k car, not a £50m super yacht.

Of course there are plenty of people who can afford to pay cash for one. Whether that's a good idea is another story completely, though.