RE: Megane Trophy-R clinches Spa FWD record
Discussion
The current CTR times are pretty much equal to that of the new Trophy (non R version), some track times having the CTR ahead and others the Trophy, with never anything between them.
Where the R is against the CTR (that can be bought) and the non R Trophy is anyone’s guess as they haven’t been tested / timed on the same circuits.
Where the R is against the CTR (that can be bought) and the non R Trophy is anyone’s guess as they haven’t been tested / timed on the same circuits.
RumbleOfThunder said:
Really? Where is the extra 30k going?
You don't think that the OEM can just bolt on some different wheels, brakes, a carbon bonnet and just sell the thing, do you?The cost of designing the parts, durability testing, certification etc etc will have been enormous, along with producing all of the video/written/photographic content to market the car. The premium of £30k on 500 cars is £15m. It's very easy to spend £15m in reality.
Ian974 said:
I think the price is a sticking point as it is such a large hike up for the type of car it is.
While "fastest hot hatch" was a relevant target a while back, with the price of this being that high, surely there are sports cars, coupes etc which would be significantly quicker and as much/ more fun at a similar price to this.
If they'd made a Mégane in the mould of the old Clio V6 however, everyone would love it, regardless of how capable it actually was, or wasn't...
But you're trying to compare it to series production cars there, which isn't really very relevant in reality. Yes, you could argue that a sports car represents better value in objective terms, but this isn't an objective car. It's a marketing/PR tool, designed to increase sales of the Megane range. For it do that, it needed to be a Megane. The hot hatch segment is crowded so, in order to stand out, you need to make a statement, and this car is definitely a statement. It doesn't actually matter that much how good the car is, just so long as it raises the profile of the brand, which is what it's doing as people keep arguing about it While "fastest hot hatch" was a relevant target a while back, with the price of this being that high, surely there are sports cars, coupes etc which would be significantly quicker and as much/ more fun at a similar price to this.
If they'd made a Mégane in the mould of the old Clio V6 however, everyone would love it, regardless of how capable it actually was, or wasn't...
If it had been made in the mould of the Clio V6, it probably would have been £100k+, if not more, so would then have just been compared to 911s and the like. That would have created a whole raft of complaints too no doubt.
nickfrog said:
Alex_225 said:
The R26.R is regarded by us an excellent hot hatch, compromised but extremely capable but there were a number that came into the country that were shipped back out unsold.
Shipped back out where? Japan or Australia I suppose. I think they just let demand meet supply by discounting them. They probably came out at the same time as the credit crunch so perhaps that didn't help either. I dont think they need to sell 50 in the UK as I thought only 30 were coming.
What I quite like about these kinds of extreme models is they prove a point that RenaultSport can still keep up or supersede it's rivals.
Is this a WhatCar or thisismoney forum, or something for car enthusiasts?
Comparing it to a Golf TCR? Eh? This is clearly the most of extreme example of the genre ever, has been significantly and expensively developed, and the results are demonstrated in real life conditions. 5 seconds on Spa is a big margin, and that lap time is impressive, full stop.
Blah blah how can this car be 75k, how can the price be justified, etc .As well as the development costs - *it has carbon fiber wheels and brakes*. The brakes and wheels don't know they have a Renault badge; they just know they need to repeatedly stop a 1200k mass from high speed without fade, and the wheels need to contributed to a much lower unsprung/rotational mass and still meet crash standards. Those options on a Porsche nobody would blink at if they cost 30-40k alone...
They are selling 30 in this country, so if you're comparing to a golf then it isn't your car anyway. They'll likely sell them, and the owner will get something very special, and a part of motoring history.
The owners will also spend significantly less over 5 years than your golf owner too. The original R26.R is still priced around the original sale price; the next Trophy R has lost barely 10% for a good one - this one will cost you next to nothing in depreciation, and with only 30 may not lose a penny at all
I registered my interest in these when the first announcements came out - likely can't do it; need a car to use daily, and the harnesses rule that out.... but i'm interested to take a look regardless. You never know... might talk myself into it.
Comparing it to a Golf TCR? Eh? This is clearly the most of extreme example of the genre ever, has been significantly and expensively developed, and the results are demonstrated in real life conditions. 5 seconds on Spa is a big margin, and that lap time is impressive, full stop.
Blah blah how can this car be 75k, how can the price be justified, etc .As well as the development costs - *it has carbon fiber wheels and brakes*. The brakes and wheels don't know they have a Renault badge; they just know they need to repeatedly stop a 1200k mass from high speed without fade, and the wheels need to contributed to a much lower unsprung/rotational mass and still meet crash standards. Those options on a Porsche nobody would blink at if they cost 30-40k alone...
They are selling 30 in this country, so if you're comparing to a golf then it isn't your car anyway. They'll likely sell them, and the owner will get something very special, and a part of motoring history.
The owners will also spend significantly less over 5 years than your golf owner too. The original R26.R is still priced around the original sale price; the next Trophy R has lost barely 10% for a good one - this one will cost you next to nothing in depreciation, and with only 30 may not lose a penny at all
I registered my interest in these when the first announcements came out - likely can't do it; need a car to use daily, and the harnesses rule that out.... but i'm interested to take a look regardless. You never know... might talk myself into it.
andrewparker said:
Announced today that it will be £72k.
The Trophy R starts at £51k. £72k is for effectively the Ring record version. 32 cars for the UK. Seems sensibly priced considering how short a run it is (500) and the amortisation of the fixed costs detailed by Jon in this thread. Not for everyone's budget but then again not everyone will be able to buy one anyway. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff