RE: Mazda MX5 Design & Cup Pack
Discussion
BVB said:
Hairdressers delight!
Indeed: The Bristol Motorclub MX5 Championship is sponsored by Vincenzo & Son Hairdressers- Sprinting this Saturday @ Castle Combe.Oh & my very own ‘ Hairdressers delight’ beat 70 other cars including Lotus, Porsche, S2000, TVR, Ginetta etc to win a Hillclimb & Sprint Championship last year.
BVB said:
Hairdressers delight!
Oh my! what an original observation. You know I don't think anybody in the history of motoring has ever had the intelligence & depth of vocabulary to come up with such a comparison. You truly are worthy of being a Pher & contributor to this forum. We are humbled & wait breathlessly for your next profound unique & never-before-expressed observation. Your PHTurner Prize awaits. 
I fitted a set of the Factory Eibach lowering springs to my old NC, combined with a full alignment (albeit a custom one) it transformed the car. If I were purchasing one new the cup pack would be a no brainer.
With this and the new engine revisions I might have to start clearing out the garage
With this and the new engine revisions I might have to start clearing out the garage
fioravanti said:
Don't think this is a particularly worthwhile upgrade...for £2k you could have the BBR Super 200 pack for the 2019 car and a set of Eibach lowering springs. A much more worthwhile uprade. The BBR kit also improves responsiveness, and the manifold gives a nice, natural bark. Not a farting, popping modern hot-hatch sound, just a nice clean bark that only a 4-1 manifold can do.
A set of Team Dynamics for £550 would be on par with the BBS, so £550 extra and you have some proper upgrades, not some poncy plastic stick-on bits.
For the price of the "design and cup" pack you could have the full Super 220 spec with Ohlins. The Super 200 is already an S2000 beater, the Super 220 would give that extra little bit of edge...
Oh and these still do 45mpg on a cruise with all those upgrades...
Not sure where you are getting your prices from the Super 200 pack alone for the ND is ~£2.4k without vat and ~£2.9k with vat, or ~£3.3k with vat and fitting according to the BBR website? The exhaust upgrades needed for the 220 upgrade is another £495 + £395 + VAT.A set of Team Dynamics for £550 would be on par with the BBS, so £550 extra and you have some proper upgrades, not some poncy plastic stick-on bits.
For the price of the "design and cup" pack you could have the full Super 220 spec with Ohlins. The Super 200 is already an S2000 beater, the Super 220 would give that extra little bit of edge...
Oh and these still do 45mpg on a cruise with all those upgrades...
The Ohlins are £2400 with fitting, so its about £6.5k for the Ohlins, the Super 220 with exhaust, just in budget. However you'd probably want to upgrade the brakes as well to take advantage of the extra performance fully, thats another £900 for the 4 piston caliper upgrade, so £7.4k.
The cup pack is really good value if you need the upgrades fitting, BBR works out very close on price once you add in the VAT and fitting, but the cup pack has full manufacturer warranty on those parts. I think on the 2019 model that comes from the factory with 184 hp the 200 upgrade just isn't worth it, you either need to spring for the full 220 upgrade or go Turbo. Unless BBR have found more power from the 200 upgrade in the 2019 model?
I agree that the design pack is not good value IMO. If you want the body kit, the interior upgrades including the recaros I would either spring for one of the original launch editions that had all of that as standard and have cash left over for an extensive visit to BBR or the new 30th anniversary edition.
I worked for a Mazda dealership between 2006 - 2012 and drove lots of MX-5's during this time.. No car has been truer to it's original concept than the MX-5, which is why it appeals to the same drivers now as it did 30 years ago. I demonstrated many to potential customers back then and most really liked the simple open-top driving experience and fun-factor. I have never owned one but always liked the idea of getting one, so now might be the time. Would probably buy an entry-level 1.5 myself, but the Cup Pack probably suits the more "spirited" driver! With companies like BBR offering so many upgrade packs just widens the cars appeal - So yes, I like the MX-5!
Just have to decide if I want one more than my 2016 Ford Fiesta ST2!
Just have to decide if I want one more than my 2016 Ford Fiesta ST2!
tankplanker said:
fioravanti said:
Don't think this is a particularly worthwhile upgrade...for £2k you could have the BBR Super 200 pack for the 2019 car and a set of Eibach lowering springs. A much more worthwhile uprade. The BBR kit also improves responsiveness, and the manifold gives a nice, natural bark. Not a farting, popping modern hot-hatch sound, just a nice clean bark that only a 4-1 manifold can do.
A set of Team Dynamics for £550 would be on par with the BBS, so £550 extra and you have some proper upgrades, not some poncy plastic stick-on bits.
For the price of the "design and cup" pack you could have the full Super 220 spec with Ohlins. The Super 200 is already an S2000 beater, the Super 220 would give that extra little bit of edge...
Oh and these still do 45mpg on a cruise with all those upgrades...
Not sure where you are getting your prices from the Super 200 pack alone for the ND is ~£2.4k without vat and ~£2.9k with vat, or ~£3.3k with vat and fitting according to the BBR website? The exhaust upgrades needed for the 220 upgrade is another £495 + £395 + VAT.A set of Team Dynamics for £550 would be on par with the BBS, so £550 extra and you have some proper upgrades, not some poncy plastic stick-on bits.
For the price of the "design and cup" pack you could have the full Super 220 spec with Ohlins. The Super 200 is already an S2000 beater, the Super 220 would give that extra little bit of edge...
Oh and these still do 45mpg on a cruise with all those upgrades...
The Ohlins are £2400 with fitting, so its about £6.5k for the Ohlins, the Super 220 with exhaust, just in budget. However you'd probably want to upgrade the brakes as well to take advantage of the extra performance fully, thats another £900 for the 4 piston caliper upgrade, so £7.4k.
The cup pack is really good value if you need the upgrades fitting, BBR works out very close on price once you add in the VAT and fitting, but the cup pack has full manufacturer warranty on those parts. I think on the 2019 model that comes from the factory with 184 hp the 200 upgrade just isn't worth it, you either need to spring for the full 220 upgrade or go Turbo. Unless BBR have found more power from the 200 upgrade in the 2019 model?
I agree that the design pack is not good value IMO. If you want the body kit, the interior upgrades including the recaros I would either spring for one of the original launch editions that had all of that as standard and have cash left over for an extensive visit to BBR or the new 30th anniversary edition.
https://bbrgti.com/blogs/news/bbr-launches-super-2...
"The 2019 Mazda MX-5 Super 200 conversion is available now as a drive-in, drive out conversion – including dyno test validation - at BBR’s Brackley HQ, priced at £1445.00 excluding VAT." Or £1728 inc VAT.
I actually have an ND1 with the Super 200, Ohlins, Team Dynamics, Yokohamas and Carbotech brake pads (no need for the wilwoods), so know the prices quite intimately :-0. I've spent nearly £7k taking mine to this spec. Takes some commitment to do it to a ND1, but what a transformation. I haven't done the centre section or back box, it's loud enough and I enjoy a bit of stealthy progress.
The S200 on the ND1 is the same as the S220 pack on the ND2...cams, valve springs, manifold, intake, map. The S200 on the ND2 is the same as the Super 190 on the ND1...manifold, intake, remap. These mods really transform the character of the engine, it's more than just the headline figure.
fioravanti said:
The prices you have quoted are for the ND1 (160ps), I've quoted the prices for the ND2 (184ps).
https://bbrgti.com/blogs/news/bbr-launches-super-2...
"The 2019 Mazda MX-5 Super 200 conversion is available now as a drive-in, drive out conversion – including dyno test validation - at BBR’s Brackley HQ, priced at £1445.00 excluding VAT." Or £1728 inc VAT.
I actually have an ND1 with the Super 200, Ohlins, Team Dynamics, Yokohamas and Carbotech brake pads (no need for the wilwoods), so know the prices quite intimately :-0. I've spent nearly £7k taking mine to this spec. Takes some commitment to do it to a ND1, but what a transformation. I haven't done the centre section or back box, it's loud enough and I enjoy a bit of stealthy progress.
The S200 on the ND1 is the same as the S220 pack on the ND2...cams, valve springs, manifold, intake, map. The S200 on the ND2 is the same as the Super 190 on the ND1...manifold, intake, remap. These mods really transform the character of the engine, it's more than just the headline figure.
I did wonder if they had adjusted the packages for the updated ND. https://bbrgti.com/blogs/news/bbr-launches-super-2...
"The 2019 Mazda MX-5 Super 200 conversion is available now as a drive-in, drive out conversion – including dyno test validation - at BBR’s Brackley HQ, priced at £1445.00 excluding VAT." Or £1728 inc VAT.
I actually have an ND1 with the Super 200, Ohlins, Team Dynamics, Yokohamas and Carbotech brake pads (no need for the wilwoods), so know the prices quite intimately :-0. I've spent nearly £7k taking mine to this spec. Takes some commitment to do it to a ND1, but what a transformation. I haven't done the centre section or back box, it's loud enough and I enjoy a bit of stealthy progress.
The S200 on the ND1 is the same as the S220 pack on the ND2...cams, valve springs, manifold, intake, map. The S200 on the ND2 is the same as the Super 190 on the ND1...manifold, intake, remap. These mods really transform the character of the engine, it's more than just the headline figure.
When I saw the BBR stand last I didn't find the touring backbox that noisy once it off the cold start cycle, the super sport is too much for me. I will be getting the full exhaust upgrade when I get mine done shortly, final bit of warranty to run down.
Did you try the Ohlins against any of the other options? They are an expensive upgrade when compared to just the springs that sort out a lot of the problems on a standard Sport mode and I won't be tracking my MX-5 as I have an Indy for that. I'm put off the Konis as they seem too stiff for just road use.
I see from another blog post on that site that with forged internals BBR have the power out put of the Turbo conversion over 280 BHP now.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
I don't regret having kids at all but I do miss having an MX5 to bomb to work in during summer! a little slow for track days but these things are just perfect for back roads in the UK.
Sold my NA because our eldest was on her way, bought an NC 7 years later. The kids loved it! Alas, it had to go when I set up my own business. I do like the NDs and would love one. But I've got to scratch the Boxster itch when I eventually get back into a soft-top.
I'm loving all the Mx-5 news on Pistonheads at the moment. I've recently been converted by a single drive in the new 2019 from MX-5 hater to MX-5 owner! I've ordered one with these superb BBS wheels, in Black.. not sure about black cars on black wheels, it doesn't suit many cars but the car had to be Black and the wheels are only available in black. So I'll see, a couple of times I've loved black on black cars and if not I can change the wheel colour easily enough.
I plan to write my own impressions and story somewhere on the site once I have it. I really think not enough people have noticed the subtle change of character that has occurred in the latest Mx-5. First with the ND interior compared to other generations and then even between the 2018 2.0 and 2019. There's so much more effect of the broader torque band than 160 to 184 hp could ever say. Perhaps not to everyone's taste, it's slightly over engined for a 'momentum car' it gains speed too rapidly, but I loved the new found ability to break traction under throttle without having to work the revs so hard.. it felt like it had 'options'
I plan to write my own impressions and story somewhere on the site once I have it. I really think not enough people have noticed the subtle change of character that has occurred in the latest Mx-5. First with the ND interior compared to other generations and then even between the 2018 2.0 and 2019. There's so much more effect of the broader torque band than 160 to 184 hp could ever say. Perhaps not to everyone's taste, it's slightly over engined for a 'momentum car' it gains speed too rapidly, but I loved the new found ability to break traction under throttle without having to work the revs so hard.. it felt like it had 'options'
Edited by Niffty951 on Saturday 27th July 12:22
fioravanti said:
I actually have an ND1 with the Super 200, Ohlins, Team Dynamics, Yokohamas and Carbotech brake pads (no need for the wilwoods)
I would love to hear more about how you've found these pads. I'd like some pads primarily for road use but that don't turn to goo after 3 laps on track. I've had bad experiences so far with track pads on road cars. Brake squeal (Pagid blue), no brakes when needed after wet motorway driving (came with Alcon brake set-up), much reduced operational temperature range - wooden when cold and overheating after 5 minutes hard work (EBC Red).I haven't yet found 'the pads'
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