RE: Porsche 718 Cayman T vs. Alpine A110
Discussion
av185 said:
Agree. Or even better wait for the new 718 Cayman/Boxster 6 with a far superior 6 cylinder n.a. engine.
£53k for that dog looking Alpine with an auto box and 6.5k rev limit! Joke price!
Yes that will be great won’t it - on the basis a 4 pot gts is quicker accelerating than the even more lardy gt4...£53k for that dog looking Alpine with an auto box and 6.5k rev limit! Joke price!
av185 said:
Agree. Or even better wait for the new 718 Cayman/Boxster 6 with a far superior 6 cylinder n.a. engine.
£53k for that dog looking Alpine with an auto box and 6.5k rev limit! Joke price!
Problem is the 6 cylinder 718 (other than the GT4) doesn't exist yet so this debate is moot.£53k for that dog looking Alpine with an auto box and 6.5k rev limit! Joke price!
I've owned a manual 6 cylinder Cayman before. Arguably the best from recent years. It was an excellent car (one which I do miss sometimes) but it wasn't perfect by any means and it is a very different experience to the Alpine. Which one you favour depends on your needs I guess.
The steering feel on the 981 isn't as good and the I'd argue the Alpine is more accurate, nimble, comfortable and fun on UK roads - also cheaper to run. But the 981 had the sound, the manual gearbox (nice action, crap ratios) and more storage space. Take your pick. I'd still be torn if you told me I could only have one. The amazing thing is that Alpine could even bring a car to market to pose such a question.
Prestonese said:
Problem is the 6 cylinder 718 (other than the GT4) doesn't exist yet so this debate is moot.
I've owned a manual 6 cylinder Cayman before. Arguably the best from recent years. It was an excellent car (one which I do miss sometimes) but it wasn't perfect by any means and it is a very different experience to the Alpine. Which one you favour depends on your needs I guess.
The steering feel on the 981 isn't as good and the I'd argue the Alpine is more accurate, nimble, comfortable and fun on UK roads - also cheaper to run. But the 981 had the sound, the manual gearbox (nice action, crap ratios) and more storage space. Take your pick. I'd still be torn if you told me I could only have one. The amazing thing is that Alpine could even bring a car to market to pose such a question.
Sums it up well. I wouldn't go back to a 981 as it's not engaging enough but the engine is magic.I've owned a manual 6 cylinder Cayman before. Arguably the best from recent years. It was an excellent car (one which I do miss sometimes) but it wasn't perfect by any means and it is a very different experience to the Alpine. Which one you favour depends on your needs I guess.
The steering feel on the 981 isn't as good and the I'd argue the Alpine is more accurate, nimble, comfortable and fun on UK roads - also cheaper to run. But the 981 had the sound, the manual gearbox (nice action, crap ratios) and more storage space. Take your pick. I'd still be torn if you told me I could only have one. The amazing thing is that Alpine could even bring a car to market to pose such a question.
Nerdherder said:
unsprung said:
cerb4.5lee said:
People do seem to really rave about Miami Blue but I'm not a fan, it surprises me though because Blue is usually my favourite colour with cars. It is far too light for my taste.
I understand what you mean about the light hue. It's possibly a sort of cyan.I suspect that the car, in this particular colour, looks most interesting when drenched in the sort of bright sunshine that one finds when closer to the equator. But I'm just guessing.
Prestonese said:
Nerdherder said:
Hmm, only a limited set of colours available on the T and GT4 model vs the Base, S and GTS model. Aventurine is not available for the T and GT4..
This! This! Exactly why many on here mock Porsche owners. You don't help yourselves sometimes.
Prestonese said:
Nerdherder said:
Hmm, only a limited set of colours available on the T and GT4 model vs the Base, S and GTS model. Aventurine is not available for the T and GT4..
This! This! Exactly why many on here mock Porsche owners. You don't help yourselves sometimes.Had extended test drives in both in the last 12 months, albeit a PDK Baxter T not a Cayman T.
Had a lot of fun in both, I like small cars so the Alpine had the edge for me, it just felt more playful on the road than the T. I described it as giving you some of the benefits of the superlights but with an added level of practicality so you can use it more of the time.
Cayman is bigger & more practical and if that is important to you not a bad place to be is it, the packaging is bloody brilliant if you need more space.
The Alpine appeared more fun more of the time than the T ... and at slower speeds with a bit less ultimate grip. The chassis & suspension set up are so different to anything else on the road it is such a refreshing change to pilot down a twisty B road.
Interestingly on both occasions I got back into our 86 to drive home, I’m obviously very biased because I bought one but the 86 still felt very special, and that’s at 1/2 price.
Had a lot of fun in both, I like small cars so the Alpine had the edge for me, it just felt more playful on the road than the T. I described it as giving you some of the benefits of the superlights but with an added level of practicality so you can use it more of the time.
Cayman is bigger & more practical and if that is important to you not a bad place to be is it, the packaging is bloody brilliant if you need more space.
The Alpine appeared more fun more of the time than the T ... and at slower speeds with a bit less ultimate grip. The chassis & suspension set up are so different to anything else on the road it is such a refreshing change to pilot down a twisty B road.
Interestingly on both occasions I got back into our 86 to drive home, I’m obviously very biased because I bought one but the 86 still felt very special, and that’s at 1/2 price.
Edited by Simon Owen on Sunday 28th July 10:37
Simon Owen said:
Had extended test drives in both in the last 12 months, albeit a PDK Baxter T not a Cayman T.
Had a lot of fun in both, I like small cars so the Alpine had the edge for me, it just felt more playful on the road than the T. I described it as giving you some of the benefits of the superlights but with an added level of practicality so you can use it more of the time.
Cayman is bigger & more practical and if that is important to you not a bad place to be is it, the packaging is bloody brilliant if you need more space.
The Alpine appeared more fun more of the time than the T ... and at slower speeds with a bit less ultimate grip. The chassis & suspension set up are so different to anything else on the road it is such a refreshing change to pilot down a twisty B road.
Interestingly on both occasions I got back into our 86 to drive home, I’m obviously very biased because I bought one but the 86 still felt very special, and that’s at 1/2 price.
interesting post. how would you compare the 3 cars on uneven or rough roads? i find that an 86 weakness but thought the Alpine had this sorted? benefit of lightweight again.Had a lot of fun in both, I like small cars so the Alpine had the edge for me, it just felt more playful on the road than the T. I described it as giving you some of the benefits of the superlights but with an added level of practicality so you can use it more of the time.
Cayman is bigger & more practical and if that is important to you not a bad place to be is it, the packaging is bloody brilliant if you need more space.
The Alpine appeared more fun more of the time than the T ... and at slower speeds with a bit less ultimate grip. The chassis & suspension set up are so different to anything else on the road it is such a refreshing change to pilot down a twisty B road.
Interestingly on both occasions I got back into our 86 to drive home, I’m obviously very biased because I bought one but the 86 still felt very special, and that’s at 1/2 price.
Edited by Simon Owen on Sunday 28th July 10:37
CABC said:
interesting post. how would you compare the 3 cars on uneven or rough roads? i find that an 86 weakness but thought the Alpine had this sorted? benefit of lightweight again.
Our 86 is not stock so the ‘back to back’ drive was with the 86 running Bilstein B16 springs and dampers & a slightly tweaked geo.Suspension compliance in the Alpine is much better that the 86, the 86 changes direction just as nicely though and with equally good steering. Our 86 feels a bit sharper on turn in to me. Playfulness of the chassis is also equally as good in the 86 but I’m mot going to lie I do wish our 86 had the performance of the Alpine !!
On B16’s the 86 never falls apart on a bumpy road, far from it, but you do suffer a tad around town. This is absolutely not a trait of the Alpine which is sublimely comfortable on all roads.
Driving position better in the 86 .... but interior in the Alpine & Cayman are obviously in a different league to the Toyota.
Edited by Simon Owen on Sunday 28th July 11:19
drjdog said:
The porsche is a Porsche, and the alpine is a Renault. They are a different class of car. Get the Alpine in 10 years, they'll be cheap and ratty by then. Fingers crossed.
Exactly. This man talks sense and no doubt has a big brain. Different class of car entirely. Just look at Clio V6/ RS Spiders and 986 Boxsters re. Value.
Venisonpie said:
Prestonese said:
Problem is the 6 cylinder 718 (other than the GT4) doesn't exist yet so this debate is moot.
I've owned a manual 6 cylinder Cayman before. Arguably the best from recent years. It was an excellent car (one which I do miss sometimes) but it wasn't perfect by any means and it is a very different experience to the Alpine. Which one you favour depends on your needs I guess.
The steering feel on the 981 isn't as good and the I'd argue the Alpine is more accurate, nimble, comfortable and fun on UK roads - also cheaper to run. But the 981 had the sound, the manual gearbox (nice action, crap ratios) and more storage space. Take your pick. I'd still be torn if you told me I could only have one. The amazing thing is that Alpine could even bring a car to market to pose such a question.
Sums it up well. I wouldn't go back to a 981 as it's not engaging enough but the engine is magic.I've owned a manual 6 cylinder Cayman before. Arguably the best from recent years. It was an excellent car (one which I do miss sometimes) but it wasn't perfect by any means and it is a very different experience to the Alpine. Which one you favour depends on your needs I guess.
The steering feel on the 981 isn't as good and the I'd argue the Alpine is more accurate, nimble, comfortable and fun on UK roads - also cheaper to run. But the 981 had the sound, the manual gearbox (nice action, crap ratios) and more storage space. Take your pick. I'd still be torn if you told me I could only have one. The amazing thing is that Alpine could even bring a car to market to pose such a question.
drjdog said:
The porsche is a Porsche, and the alpine is a Renault. They are a different class of car. Get the Alpine in 10 years, they'll be cheap and ratty by then. Fingers crossed.
The Alpine is holding values, there is a waiting list of over a year and a drip fed supply.There are 89 Caymans at UK Porsche dealers at the moment all depreciating
Worldwide the 4 cylinder cayman and 718 are a sales disaster and they are relaunching a 6 cylinder Gt4 as the sales have stalled. Add into this the IMS bearing failure of modern mid engine porkers of strut tower failure and yes the Porsche ia a Porsche.
sisu said:
The Alpine is holding values, there is a waiting list of over a year and a drip fed supply.
There are 89 Caymans at UK Porsche dealers at the moment all depreciating
Worldwide the 4 cylinder cayman and 718 are a sales disaster and they are relaunching a 6 cylinder Gt4 as the sales have stalled. Add into this the IMS bearing failure of modern mid engine porkers of strut tower failure and yes the Porsche ia a Porsche.
I think, old bean, you’ll find that is Porsche’s IVG - infinitely variable geometryThere are 89 Caymans at UK Porsche dealers at the moment all depreciating
Worldwide the 4 cylinder cayman and 718 are a sales disaster and they are relaunching a 6 cylinder Gt4 as the sales have stalled. Add into this the IMS bearing failure of modern mid engine porkers of strut tower failure and yes the Porsche ia a Porsche.
sisu said:
drjdog said:
The porsche is a Porsche, and the alpine is a Renault. They are a different class of car. Get the Alpine in 10 years, they'll be cheap and ratty by then. Fingers crossed.
The Alpine is holding values, there is a waiting list of over a year and a drip fed supply.There are 89 Caymans at UK Porsche dealers at the moment all depreciating
Worldwide the 4 cylinder cayman and 718 are a sales disaster and they are relaunching a 6 cylinder Gt4 as the sales have stalled. Add into this the IMS bearing failure of modern mid engine porkers of strut tower failure and yes the Porsche ia a Porsche.
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