RE: Porsche 718 Cayman T vs. Alpine A110

[av185]

Most of those strut tower failures occurred on moddied/lowered cars.

Surprise surprise.

[av185]

sisu said:

they are relaunching a 6 cylinder Gt4 as the sales have stalled.

Yeah course they are.....:

The 718 GT4s new 4.0 litre normally aspirated engine gives throttle response and linear power delivery for driving purists that only turbo fanboys in increasingly diluted cars can dream of.

[av185]

Miserablegit said:

av185 said:

Agree. Or even better wait for the new 718 Cayman/Boxster 6 with a far superior 6 cylinder n.a. engine.

£53k for that dog looking Alpine with an auto box and 6.5k rev limit! Joke price!

Yes that will be great won’t it - on the basis a 4 pot gts is quicker accelerating than the even more lardy gt4...

Ah yes I shed more weight than that difference when I had a dump this morning. I am sure many an armchair driving expert on here could tell the massive difference a couple of kgs makes......

You forgot to mention driving involvement and quality as opposed fake and farty exhaust sound.

[Miserablegit]

av185 said:

Ah yes I shed more weight than that difference when I had a dump this morning. I am sure many an armchair driving expert on here could tell the massive difference a couple of kgs makes......

You forgot to mention driving involvement and quality as opposed fake and farty exhaust sound.

Suggest you go again av as you are still full of it.
Fact is the 718 4 pot gts is quicker accelerating than the gt4. GT4 is meant to be the halo model or is it now just for flippers and posers?

[Black S2K]

Simon Owen said:

CABC said:

interesting post. how would you compare the 3 cars on uneven or rough roads? i find that an 86 weakness but thought the Alpine had this sorted? benefit of lightweight again.

Our 86 is not stock so the ‘back to back’ drive was with the 86 running Bilstein B16 springs and dampers & a slightly tweaked geo.

Suspension compliance in the Alpine is much better that the 86, the 86 changes direction just as nicely though and with equally good steering. Our 86 feels a bit sharper on turn in to me. Playfulness of the chassis is also equally as good in the 86 but I’m mot going to lie I do wish our 86 had the performance of the Alpine !!

On B16’s the 86 never falls apart on a bumpy road, far from it, but you do suffer a tad around town. This is absolutely not a trait of the Alpine which is sublimely comfortable on all roads.

Driving position better in the 86 .... but interior in the Alpine & Cayman are obviously in a different league to the Toyota.

Edited by Simon Owen on Sunday 28th July 11:19

Yes, a stock 86 is under-damped and under braked, too. Perversely, I find that part of its charm, along with the van-grade interior plastics.

But then, it is designed to be modified to taste; I do wonder what one could build from one and still have change from 50K sometimes...

[av185]

Miserablegit said:

av185 said:

Ah yes I shed more weight than that difference when I had a dump this morning. I am sure many an armchair driving expert on here could tell the massive difference a couple of kgs makes......

You forgot to mention driving involvement and quality as opposed fake and farty exhaust sound.

Suggest you go again av as you are still full of it.
Fact is the 718 4 pot gts is quicker accelerating than the gt4. GT4 is meant to be the halo model or is it now just for flippers and posers?

So you must have been very privileged to drive a new 718 GT4 before anyone else, including me?

Take a look at the figures and I can tell you flatshifting in the new GT4 will kill the GTS measly one tenth of a second advantage. Which only comes when SC is optioned.

And if thats not enough of an advantage, then there's always the PDK GT4 to come next year.......

Edited by av185 on Sunday 28th July 13:13

[Olivera]

I've no doubt that the Alpine is a fun handler, but it's setup for suppleness and entertainment rather than outright body control:

https://www.evo.co.uk/sports-cars/21827/alpine-a11...

'Damping lacks fine control'

'And given the softness of the set-up it’s surprising how controlled the Alpine is... up to a point. Push really hard and the car can feel a little ragged'

[anonymous-user]

sisu said:

The Alpine is holding values, there is a waiting list of over a year and a drip fed supply.

There are 89 Caymans at UK Porsche dealers at the moment all depreciating
Worldwide the 4 cylinder cayman and 718 are a sales disaster and they are relaunching a 6 cylinder Gt4 as the sales have stalled. Add into this the IMS bearing failure of modern mid engine porkers of strut tower failure and yes the Porsche ia a Porsche.

And an “Alpine” is definitely a Renault :

[springfan62]

Olivera said:

I've no doubt that the Alpine is a fun handler, but it's setup for suppleness and entertainment rather than outright body control:

https://www.evo.co.uk/sports-cars/21827/alpine-a11...

'Damping lacks fine control'

'And given the softness of the set-up it’s surprising how controlled the Alpine is... up to a point. Push really hard and the car can feel a little ragged'

The A110S has been released to provide a more precise level of control.

Unless you are going on track I expect the standard one is perfectly adequate for the average driver on public roads where you are not going to explore its handling limits.

Naturally there is a trade off between suppleness and precision but at least now there is a choice.

[CABC]

av185 said:

So you must have been very privileged to drive a new 718 GT4 before anyone else, including me?

Edited by av185 on Sunday 28th July 13:13

just clicked on your profile. is that your garage? some lovely cars, but why so little diversity?
For the value involved my garage would be distinctly different (and is). genuine question.

[Olivera]

Any more rumours of a manual gearbox?

[springfan62]

Schmed said:

And an “Alpine” is definitely a Renault :

Oh schmuck haven't you got a life yet.





If you do your research before you post Porsche fanboy drivel you will find that Porsche had to replace 785 GT3 engines to stop them bursting into flames, compare that to one pre production Alpine and nothing since.

[av185]

CABC said:

just clicked on your profile. is that your garage? some lovely cars, but why so little diversity?
For the value involved my garage would be distinctly different (and is). genuine question.

Thanks!

I get what you say, but no matter what many say about similarity between one 911 and the next there is a huge difference between say the 991.2 GT3 with the 'manuel' gearbox, and the GT2 RS PDK S.

Equally between the Spyder and GT4.

And 488 and Pista.....

Sold the Carrera T last week and have a 570S coming. Not new though as I absolutely hate depreciating cars which can be expensive if you buy the wrong ones. :

[Miserablegit]

Every time Smeg posts I get this image:

[av185]

springfan62 said:

Oh schmuck haven't you got a life yet.





If you do your research before you post Porsche fanboy drivel you will find that Porsche had to replace 785 GT3 engines to stop them bursting into flames, compare that to one pre production Alpine and nothing since.

Worth pointing out that this was caused by a supplier issue and 'only' 2 991.1 GT3 engines caught fire one of which was in Italy, none in the UK.

My 2014 car was delayed by 5 months during factory shutdown over the summer and had a revised engine on the prod line during which time I received a brand new Cayman GTS loaner unlimited mileage and £1500 a month compensation from Porsche GB whose actions throughout were entirely fair and actually quite generous imo.

You would never receive that level of goodwill from any other car manufacturer imo.

[CABC]

av185 said:

Thanks!

I get what you say, but no matter what many say about similarity between one 911 and the next there is a huge difference between say the 991.2 GT3 with the 'manuel' gearbox, and the GT2 RS PDK S.

Equally between the Spyder and GT4.

And 488 and Pista.....

Sold the Carrera T last week and have a 570S coming. Not new though as I absolutely hate depreciating cars which can be expensive if you buy the wrong ones. :

oh, i truly get that there are huge differences, and that feeling those differences of cars within the same line is fascinating too.
i'd inject some Lotus (still do some things exceptionally well, even if whole package more compromised), McLaren (ok, one on order. their take on performance is definitely a contrast), and..... an Alpine. i'd call it it seminal car and worthy of a slot, low depreciation over 12 mths currently.
Then i'd chuck in some hot hatches (churn these regularly maybe), maybe some odd character like AM or yank muscle.

[Miserablegit]

To save time one can simply google Porsche fire, click images and there are one or two examples.
Another gt3 caught fire at the Nurburgring last year.
Let’s not get too distracted by this - the comments were made as a result of Smeg’s posting of the only A110 fire that involved a prototype and, in its defence, it was carrying Eddie Jordan so can be forgiven.

[springfan62]

av185 said:

You would never receive that level of goodwill from any other car manufacturer imo.

But Porsche have to satisfy very high expectations and all being said that was a very embarrassing situation to find themselves in.

I do wish Porsche fans would be a little more objective in their burning desire to criticise the Alpine.
It's isn't a Porsche, its different to a Porsche, not everyone wants a Porsche, why can't Porsche owners respect that and give it a break.

I don't want to spend my time criticising Porsche's, its a really boring game but it would be nice if Porsche owners could step back and realise how dull it is to read the same old stuff.

[SFO]

sisu said:

The Alpine is holding values, there is a waiting list of over a year and a drip fed supply.

plenty of new stock around

order to your spec now is around 4 months

[Prestonese]

Olivera said:

I've no doubt that the Alpine is a fun handler, but it's setup for suppleness and entertainment rather than outright body control:

https://www.evo.co.uk/sports-cars/21827/alpine-a11...

'Damping lacks fine control'

'And given the softness of the set-up it’s surprising how controlled the Alpine is... up to a point. Push really hard and the car can feel a little ragged'

I'm curious about Evo reviews sometimes and wonder how fast the testers take these cars on UK roads. Even with relative low levels of grip, the Alpine will be at crazy speeds before it snaps. How much body control and grip does a road car need?

I agree on track the Alpine is not the last say in body control and lap times but that is not the whole ethos of the car. You can go plenty quick on the road with these and enjoy the delicate chassis without being antisocial and endangering yourself or other road users.