RE: Toyota Supra set for 450hp with Litchfield upgrade
Discussion
mackie1 said:
How likely is it that Toyota have been turning the wick up a bit on the press cars? Or is 335bhp the at-the-wheels number?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60cxIFwHJNU
According to Litchfield's Facebook page, they dyno'ed it at 290bhp at the wheels. Their estimated flywheel power was 370 something, which is a huge difference and seems a bit off to me.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60cxIFwHJNU
IMI A said:
I’m reasonably sure if Litchfield remove the particulate filter it’s an auto MOT failure a few years down the line and also illegal? Having said that they must have done their homework as it’s the best tuning facility in the UK.
Outright illegal:https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/modifyi...
Becomes a 'track only' vehicle.
PH - I think your article probably warrants a little waiver on that point. I'm sure plenty of people will choose to ignore the law but it's pretty clear cut.
Dr G said:
Outright illegal:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/modifyi...
Becomes a 'track only' vehicle.
PH - I think your article probably warrants a little waiver on that point. I'm sure plenty of people will choose to ignore the law but it's pretty clear cut.
While it doesn't apply to the MkV Supra, where does this sit in examples were a vehicle is modified and is 100% MOT compliant, yet no longer has a catalytic converter (MOT for that specific car does not require it to) and does meet the same emissions standards as it left the factory with?https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/modifyi...
Becomes a 'track only' vehicle.
PH - I think your article probably warrants a little waiver on that point. I'm sure plenty of people will choose to ignore the law but it's pretty clear cut.
SonicShadow said:
While it doesn't apply to the MkV Supra, where does this sit in examples were a vehicle is modified and is 100% MOT compliant, yet no longer has a catalytic converter (MOT for that specific car does not require it to) and does meet the same emissions standards as it left the factory with?
Not an expert but my take was:A person using (or causing or permitting to be used) a vehicle on the public road, which does not comply with the emissions standards it was designed to meet, is committing an offence.
For example, where a tuner is putting a sports catalyst on the vehicle and replacing the OEM. It should still pass if the garage measures CO2, NOX etc.
As long as it meets the emissions standards from the factory (through whatever means), it'll pass. But removing the particulate filter would mean it would fail.
borat52 said:
Always good to see a UK tuner doing something interesting.
I'll take the opportunity to point out that you could get that power out of the old supra TT with FBO mods more than 20 years ago.
That maybe but the new supra will blow the old one into the weeds with the same power figures around a track.I'll take the opportunity to point out that you could get that power out of the old supra TT with FBO mods more than 20 years ago.
The old one could make lots & lots of unusable power, the new one will make lots of usable power.
Edited by VR6 Eug on Friday 2nd August 16:00
Dr G said:
IMI A said:
I’m reasonably sure if Litchfield remove the particulate filter it’s an auto MOT failure a few years down the line and also illegal? Having said that they must have done their homework as it’s the best tuning facility in the UK.
Outright illegal:https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/modifyi...
Becomes a 'track only' vehicle.
PH - I think your article probably warrants a little waiver on that point. I'm sure plenty of people will choose to ignore the law but it's pretty clear cut.
"Making changes to the engine management, emissions control, exhaust or braking systems carry the highest risk of unintended consequences."
How do braking systems effect the emissions?
How do they actually test for this? Have they ever tested for this? Has anyone been given unlimited fines?
I think a lot of PH cars on here might be illegal according to this paper. Perhaps we just need to stick to reality and do the MOT test and there is no problem with this modded car in 2019.
I do like the boring civil servants in Whitehall who travel by train each day and the odd taxi giving us recommendation on
"The UK has a long tradition of allowing vehicle owners relative freedom to change their vehicles to suit their specific requirements, subject to ongoing compliance with the relevant UK construction standards. These changes may be purely cosmetic, or to improve the usability of the vehicle for its owner, or to alter its performance.
There are, however, circumstances where modifications may result in legal, safety and/or health implications for the vehicle owner, its occupants, other road users, and the wider population. The key message is that even if you think you know what you’re doing, if making modifications yourself, there can still be unintended consequences. It is advisable to have any work checked by a competent professional mechanic and ensure you stay safe and within the law."
It's a good job Max Power magazine is still not going ... they would have had to change the government web page to say
"in legal, safety and/or health implications for the vehicle owner, its occupants or others whilst doing a few donuts in Halfords carpark and then a young lady subsequently gets her norks out"
I might be getting old. Bring back the days of an MG Maestro toasting the local Welyn Garden City housing estate car park without some official putting his foot down.
It's just f
king bks isn't it.PH needs to do a cruise down to Westminster.
If people saving sticklebacks can do it, so can we.
wab172uk said:
anonymous said:
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It's on Carwow Youtube site.Clearly quick (thanks to the gearbox) but if any car needs a manual gearbox, this is it.
Awaits all the negative comments about Litchfields. Just as they did in the Litchfields Golf remap thread.
g7jhp said:
420 to 450bhp in a Coupe with turbo's could be back in 2002 with a 996 turbo X50!
Escort Si-130 said:
I was expecting the Supra would have been around 450bhp standard.
I've owned Mkii, Mkiii turbo and a Mkiv twin turbo Supras at various stages over the last 20+ years.The comments above are, I assume, from people who have never owned any of these, or any other capable car in that generation.
Its such schoolboy stuff - if it had an extra 100bhp it might be able to do 0-60 in 3.9 seconds rather than 4.6....
Idiotic, I sometimes wonder whether people who hold stock in these figures realise how short a period of time half a second actually is. Totally meaningless in the real world, driver reaction times, weather conditions, road surface etc will make a lot more difference to your bragging rights than a few extra bhp ever will.
OzzyR1 said:
g7jhp said:
420 to 450bhp in a Coupe with turbo's could be back in 2002 with a 996 turbo X50!
Escort Si-130 said:
I was expecting the Supra would have been around 450bhp standard.
I've owned Mkii, Mkiii turbo and a Mkiv twin turbo Supras at various stages over the last 20+ years.The comments above are, I assume, from people who have never owned any of these, or any other capable car in that generation.
Its such schoolboy stuff - if it had an extra 100bhp it might be able to do 0-60 in 3.9 seconds rather than 4.6....
Idiotic, I sometimes wonder whether people who hold stock in these figures realise how short a period of time half a second actually is. Totally meaningless in the real world, driver reaction times, weather conditions, road surface etc will make a lot more difference to your bragging rights than a few extra bhp ever will.
I’ve driven a standard one on road and at no point did I think it needed more power. I can’t imagine what it would be like with 450bhp.
Drove a Mk4 TT manual 6 Supra recently,was a bone stock car exhaust aside and felt plenty fast enough to me! It's no secret new Supra makes way more power than quoted so if I bought one boosting it further would be pointless to me,for a road car they've got the balance about right without going silly..it's not a Toyota engine anyways so I'd be worried about it going pop eventually!
Gandahar said:
IMI A said:
I’m reasonably sure if Litchfield remove the particulate filter it’s an auto MOT failure a few years down the line and also illegal? Having said that they must have done their homework as it’s the best tuning facility in the UK.
The particulate filters are a European thing, a few years down the line I wonder how Boris and the EU and the MOT and particulate filters will affect whether this car passes the 2025 MOT ?People worrying about an exhaust and MOT rather than the UK and Europe
If the French and Germans don't do the above its the end of their pet European project. If hard Brexit. Italy will follow like sheep. Then Austria, Hungary, Netherlands etc etc. It should only ever have been a free trade and free borders between the top six states/economies in Europe. To include bit players a joke. They should have just been given associate membership so free trade fine but no free movement of people
IMI A said:
Boris will inevitably oversee a softer Brexit than May. Last minute 26 member states will miraculously put pressure on the idiot Irish PM to wind his neck in and job done exactly the same withdrawal agreement without Irish backstop will be hailed triumph. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. So glad i don't live there any more watching old colleagues from the City who are now working in govt in top positions making a complete hash of it and they're only there because of Daddy. If you'd worked with them you'd know how very average and humdrum they are.
If the French and Germans don't do the above its the end of their pet European project. If hard Brexit. Italy will follow like sheep. Then Austria, Hungary, Netherlands etc etc. It should only ever have been a free trade and free borders between the top six states/economies in Europe. To include bit players a joke. They should have just been given associate membership so free trade fine but no free movement of people
Now that is a lot of sense..... You must be new here (I'm a long time lurker, 1st reply in a long time!)If the French and Germans don't do the above its the end of their pet European project. If hard Brexit. Italy will follow like sheep. Then Austria, Hungary, Netherlands etc etc. It should only ever have been a free trade and free borders between the top six states/economies in Europe. To include bit players a joke. They should have just been given associate membership so free trade fine but no free movement of people
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