RE: A ban on hands-free devices | PH Footnote
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dxg said:
Just to add the debate with evidence of just how attention touchscreens take from the task at hand:
The US Navy are banning them from warships after one was found to be a causative factor in a ship collision:
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/08/the-us-navy-s...
In fairness, we are talking about the US Navy The US Navy are banning them from warships after one was found to be a causative factor in a ship collision:
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/08/the-us-navy-s...
yonex said:
dxg said:
Just to add the debate with evidence of just how attention touchscreens take from the task at hand:
The US Navy are banning them from warships after one was found to be a causative factor in a ship collision:
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/08/the-us-navy-s...
In fairness, we are talking about the US Navy The US Navy are banning them from warships after one was found to be a causative factor in a ship collision:
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/08/the-us-navy-s...
Perhaps they should ban cars with manual gear boxes as well, with that tricky extra pedal and gear stick taking your hand on and off the wheel for a second at a time whilst accelerating absolute madness
however and to be fair this has all caused a lot of conversation and really this must be a good thing, just to make most just a little more aware again and a gentle reminder about the general dangers of every day driving, if just that has come out from all this , then so be it
however and to be fair this has all caused a lot of conversation and really this must be a good thing, just to make most just a little more aware again and a gentle reminder about the general dangers of every day driving, if just that has come out from all this , then so be it
Rotor said:
Perhaps they should ban cars with manual gear boxes as well, with that tricky extra pedal and gear stick taking your hand on and off the wheel for a second at a time whilst accelerating absolute madness
however and to be fair this has all caused a lot of conversation and really this must be a good thing, just to make most just a little more aware again and a gentle reminder about the general dangers of every day driving, if just that has come out from all this , then so be it
Don't foget ICE, best to remove it, and climate control, windows. however and to be fair this has all caused a lot of conversation and really this must be a good thing, just to make most just a little more aware again and a gentle reminder about the general dangers of every day driving, if just that has come out from all this , then so be it
yonex said:
Rotor said:
Perhaps they should ban cars with manual gear boxes as well, with that tricky extra pedal and gear stick taking your hand on and off the wheel for a second at a time whilst accelerating absolute madness
however and to be fair this has all caused a lot of conversation and really this must be a good thing, just to make most just a little more aware again and a gentle reminder about the general dangers of every day driving, if just that has come out from all this , then so be it
Don't foget ICE, best to remove it, and climate control, windows. however and to be fair this has all caused a lot of conversation and really this must be a good thing, just to make most just a little more aware again and a gentle reminder about the general dangers of every day driving, if just that has come out from all this , then so be it
For maximum safety you should probably have some sort of warning that the car is approaching...maybe a man walking in front waving a flag?!?
thelostboy said:
But let's face it, the real issue is people texting. You won't stop it as we don't have enough police - manufacturers of cars and smartphones need to step up and make it ridiculously easy to communicate without the need to touch your phone.
Hey Siri, message thelostboyWhat do you want to say?
You already can
Your message says "you already can" are you ready to send?
Send
Message sent
otolith said:
Hey Siri, message thelostboy
What do you want to say?
You already can
Your message says "you already can" are you ready to send?
Send
Message sent
Hey Siri, message thelostboyWhat do you want to say?
You already can
Your message says "you already can" are you ready to send?
Send
Message sent
I cant find trevor lobster in your contacts
Hey Siri, message thelostboy
I cant find theo ostend in your contacts
repeat for 10 mins
Hey Siri, your a
bugger already been done >.<
If any distraction while driving needs to be banned, then speed cameras should fall under the same idiot thinking.
Just last week in a 50mph average speed area i was passed by a lady that was constantly looking at her speedo like it was an episode of love island!! She was dead on 50mph but certainly wasnt paying attention to the road. Same applies to mobile speed cameras, locally a new one has appeared around a blind bend, i have been so concerned with being caught by it that going through the 30mph corner i tend to be watching the clock more than the road, this is made more difficult by the angle of the steering wheel as it covers the speedo so i have to lean over a little to see it, its mental!! Yes there will be those who say i should know if im within the speed limit but im no jedi and dont adopt the force when driving.
The point is, if they are going to ban all distraction then it should include external ones, which in truth is a stupid concept because we probably do need speed cameras of some sort so where do you draw the line exactly...
Just last week in a 50mph average speed area i was passed by a lady that was constantly looking at her speedo like it was an episode of love island!! She was dead on 50mph but certainly wasnt paying attention to the road. Same applies to mobile speed cameras, locally a new one has appeared around a blind bend, i have been so concerned with being caught by it that going through the 30mph corner i tend to be watching the clock more than the road, this is made more difficult by the angle of the steering wheel as it covers the speedo so i have to lean over a little to see it, its mental!! Yes there will be those who say i should know if im within the speed limit but im no jedi and dont adopt the force when driving.
The point is, if they are going to ban all distraction then it should include external ones, which in truth is a stupid concept because we probably do need speed cameras of some sort so where do you draw the line exactly...
This is a completely stupid proposal based on, at best, dubious, if not non-existent, data. It's an attempt by what I call the "New Puritans" to attempt to uninvent the wheel. These people are nothing more than zealots, the same kind of idiots that forced Prohibition into law in the United States almost 100 years ago....and look how well that turned out ! It seems that we have a brand of official who can't bear to see any kind of new technology being brought into use without seeking ways to ban it. What next ? Do we ban the use of radios, stereos, satnav, setting temperature controls, gearchanging, having a conversation with your passenger(s) Where do you draw the line ? Apart from the rank stupidity of this proposal by itself, think of the effect on thousands, maybe tens of thousands of delivery drivers, taxi & uber drivers, engineers, roadside repair agencies etc, etc. Why should they have their working lives made much more difficult, there is simply no need for this. Also, have the idiots considered that imposing this ban will almost certainly mean that many drivers will simply revert back to the, now illegal, practice of holding their mobile whilst using it, something I never do and, thanks to brilliant technology and voice operated software, I don't need to do. I hope it never happens but, if this utterly daft idea does become law, I, for one, will completely ignore it and I hope and trust that many more people feel the same.
The actual report is available to read on the parliament website.
In a nutshell: the 43 refers to the number of deaths in 2017 where phone use by a driver was a ‘contributing factor’. There is no breakdown between hands-free and hands-held.
The committee seemed to be impressed with a study conducted by 2 scientists that shows that distraction from a phone call regardless of method is about the same.
What I can’t see anywhere is any recognition that at least the hands-free person has 100% more hands available than the phone-clamped -to-ear driver.
The distraction may be the same but the impairment for driving must be greatly different surely?
In a nutshell: the 43 refers to the number of deaths in 2017 where phone use by a driver was a ‘contributing factor’. There is no breakdown between hands-free and hands-held.
The committee seemed to be impressed with a study conducted by 2 scientists that shows that distraction from a phone call regardless of method is about the same.
What I can’t see anywhere is any recognition that at least the hands-free person has 100% more hands available than the phone-clamped -to-ear driver.
The distraction may be the same but the impairment for driving must be greatly different surely?
cookie1600 said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Anybody is allowed to use a two way radio hand held while driving. The law simply says it must not be able to transmit on certain frequencies, which are the ones used by mobile phones.
So how is that safer or any better than handsfree telephoning? Why is that not also against the law, in fact more so? Does that mean an amateur radio or CB operator can use a walkie-talkie on legal frequencies but they won't face prosecution, unlike someone using a similar sized phone? REALLY?I would say it's equally as distracting and entails taking off one hand from the wheel, so leaving someone not fully in control?
The only time i have ever had an accident was when i was listening to the Prodigy so they had better ban music as well.
Come to think of it cars should be designed like taxi cabs so the driver is cocooned in his own little box so he can't be distracted by Music, Chatting or Children.
Come to think of it cars should be designed like taxi cabs so the driver is cocooned in his own little box so he can't be distracted by Music, Chatting or Children.
Distraction and disengagement can be monitored via systems like GM's Supercruise. The system monitors what you are looking at and checks that you are paying attention and not mucking about with mobiles/infotainment or anything else.
It gives flexibility to do what you need to do in the car to generally run your in car life but stops you losing focus on driving.
So much simpler to mandate driver monitoring systems than trying to ask the police to work out whether someone is using a device that fits into a complex legal structure trying to catch all exceptions.
It gives flexibility to do what you need to do in the car to generally run your in car life but stops you losing focus on driving.
So much simpler to mandate driver monitoring systems than trying to ask the police to work out whether someone is using a device that fits into a complex legal structure trying to catch all exceptions.
TdM-GTV said:
Distraction and disengagement can be monitored via systems like GM's Supercruise. The system monitors what you are looking at and checks that you are paying attention and not mucking about with mobiles/infotainment or anything else.
It gives flexibility to do what you need to do in the car to generally run your in car life but stops you losing focus on driving.
So much simpler to mandate driver monitoring systems than trying to ask the police to work out whether someone is using a device that fits into a complex legal structure trying to catch all exceptions.
I assume it has an off switch. It gives flexibility to do what you need to do in the car to generally run your in car life but stops you losing focus on driving.
So much simpler to mandate driver monitoring systems than trying to ask the police to work out whether someone is using a device that fits into a complex legal structure trying to catch all exceptions.
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