RE: A ban on hands-free devices | PH Footnote
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eldar said:
I assume it has an off switch.
There is no need to have an off switch on a driver monitoring system. The trucking industry have started taking this up already, an always on system. Even the government have been using it in the trams after the Croyden tram accident so they just have to follow their own advice.TdM-GTV said:
eldar said:
I assume it has an off switch.
There is no need to have an off switch on a driver monitoring system. The trucking industry have started taking this up already, an always on system. Even the government have been using it in the trams after the Croyden tram accident so they just have to follow their own advice.No need for an off switch my arse......
eldar said:
I have this vision of an automated mother-in-law with an appalling nasal voice nagging the driver about the car on the left, traffic lights, and you’re going too fast and how nice it is that the queen has a new hat.
No need for an off switch my arse......
Don't worry Eldar, same argument that every safety feature gets until people get used to it (see seatbelts). Maybe you'll change your mind after you try it, who knows! No need for an off switch my arse......
I find all these specific offences a bit weird. There's no question, in my opinion at least, that chatting to someone using my car's inbuilt Bluetooth phone connection is less dangerous than using the iDrive for nav and music, but they allow those two things. I'm also sure that whilst, on average, I have to believe researchers who say having a conversation with someone in the car is less dangerous than via handsfree, there's surely a lot of overlap depending on the type of conversation being had? What about noisy kids on the back seat? Can't we just be judged on the end result of our driving, or is that too naive of me?
The committee said the current law gives “a misleading impression that hands-free use is safe. The reality is that any use of a phone distracts from a driver’s ability to pay full attention, and the government should consider extending the ban to reflect this”.
This is proposing using legislation to send a message. That's a very blunt instrument. I think there are better ways of doing that.
This is proposing using legislation to send a message. That's a very blunt instrument. I think there are better ways of doing that.
This is just a parliamentary committee.
All they can do is suggest things to government.
Government may ‘take it onboard’ but decide that phone calls aren’t great for driving but neither are kids, spouses, dogs, wasps and the many distractions everyone deals with on a daily basis.
ie - consider it in context.
All they can do is suggest things to government.
Government may ‘take it onboard’ but decide that phone calls aren’t great for driving but neither are kids, spouses, dogs, wasps and the many distractions everyone deals with on a daily basis.
ie - consider it in context.
pb8g09 said:
At what point do people take some responsibility and learn that using a phone at the wheel is more likely to cause a serious accident or death than not using one?
It’s the same as dangerous driving, middle lane hogging and not using indicators. We seem to have to need to enforce all these rules, why are people so completely incapable of using any common sense or emotional intelligence anymore?
Many believe that rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men, but few are skilled at self-assessing their level of wisdom.It’s the same as dangerous driving, middle lane hogging and not using indicators. We seem to have to need to enforce all these rules, why are people so completely incapable of using any common sense or emotional intelligence anymore?
TdM-GTV said:
Distraction and disengagement can be monitored via systems like GM's Supercruise. The system monitors what you are looking at and checks that you are paying attention and not mucking about with mobiles/infotainment or anything else.
It gives flexibility to do what you need to do in the car to generally run your in car life but stops you losing focus on driving.
So much simpler to mandate driver monitoring systems than trying to ask the police to work out whether someone is using a device that fits into a complex legal structure trying to catch all exceptions.
People who need a piece of software to drive, should take public transport.It gives flexibility to do what you need to do in the car to generally run your in car life but stops you losing focus on driving.
So much simpler to mandate driver monitoring systems than trying to ask the police to work out whether someone is using a device that fits into a complex legal structure trying to catch all exceptions.
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king 'Supercruise', whatever next, an on board shower head to spray cold water on you?
No doubt this will be considered controversial but... last year in the UK 43 people died as a result of an accident attributed to a mobile phone..... a lot more died in a fire in a tower block.. what a shame the gov't can't hurry up its legislation for that.... we are an over populated world!! I can't help think that more people die falling downstairs.. perhaps we should legislate 2 storey houses out of existence and all live in bungalows!!
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Maybe the late Sir Alec Isigonis was onto something with his less comfort and less distractions theory when he designed the Mini? When I passed my test as a callow youth of 17 most of the cars I could afford to buy and run had nothing more complex than a two-speed fan or a manual choke (look it up kids)... These days it takes me ten minutes to set various driving parameters and displays before I even get moving..
This is absolute madness.
Yes talking is more distracting than driving and not talking.
Most people are aware of this i'm sure. If i'm talking on the phone through bluetooth or talking to a passenger sat next to me, the distraction feels the same. Hence why I always say "hang on a minute, just need to concentrate" when pulling out of poor visibility junctions etc.
So essentially they are saying you must stay silent in a car, not talk to anyone in the car either?
What about talking to kids in your car, is that going to be illegal as well?
Cars will have to have a speech monitoring device which will record everything we say, and if we crash and words were spoken before the crash, we'll face the wrath of the law /s
Yes talking is more distracting than driving and not talking.
Most people are aware of this i'm sure. If i'm talking on the phone through bluetooth or talking to a passenger sat next to me, the distraction feels the same. Hence why I always say "hang on a minute, just need to concentrate" when pulling out of poor visibility junctions etc.
So essentially they are saying you must stay silent in a car, not talk to anyone in the car either?
What about talking to kids in your car, is that going to be illegal as well?
Cars will have to have a speech monitoring device which will record everything we say, and if we crash and words were spoken before the crash, we'll face the wrath of the law /s
Dollyman1850 said:
No doubt this will be considered controversial but... last year in the UK 43 people died as a result of an accident attributed to a mobile phone..... a lot more died in a fire in a tower block.. what a shame the gov't can't hurry up its legislation for that.... we are an over populated world!! I can't help think that more people die falling downstairs.. perhaps we should legislate 2 storey houses out of existence and all live in bungalows!!
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Assuming, optimistically, that the tower block legislation isn't simply stalled in a mess of political games, I'd say we have enough manpower to deal with both threats simultaneously, and while mobile phone use may be the smaller killer, it is possibly far simpler legislation to write, cheaper to fund and simpler to implement and start saving lives now, so no reason it shouldn't beat the again assumedly more complex resolution of tower block fire hazards to productive status. I also doubt that the mobile phone concern has delayed work on the tower block solution in any way.N.
Footnote: Please don't confuse the above with me agreeing with a hands free ban... I don't agree at all!
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