RE: Dodge and Ram set for UK return
Discussion
BFleming said:
Left hand drive, too big for UK parking spaces, too inefficient, using petrol that costs a multiple of what it does in the US...
Brexit... sorry, how / what?
Scale a myth other than for the largest trucksBrexit... sorry, how / what?
Performance car or performance pick up , fuel costs not relevant
Petrol is the new diesel
What do you think will be one of the centre points of the US trade deal.
Challenger vs M3 WLTP , lol.
BFleming said:
Left hand drive, too big for UK parking spaces, too inefficient, using petrol that costs a multiple of what it does in the US...
Brexit... sorry, how / what?
LHD has never bothered me. I suppose it's different if you're a crap driver.Brexit... sorry, how / what?
My Challenger is no bigger than a 5/7 series BMW.
I get 26mpg from my 392ci Hemi V8.
Tallow said:
Roo said:
Oh, and no Boatwright aren't an official dealer. All their stuff is grey imports.
That's not what their website says: https://www.boatwright.co.uk/And fair play to Richard and Sarah for getting that accreditation.
I'm guessing the main reason behind getting that is because there's no official Dodge UK anymore.
Jader1973 said:
You could always import one from Australia - they even have the steering wheel on the correct side
https://www.ramtrucks.com.au/
They start at about AU$120k though.
And no-one other than Clive Sutton will touch them in the UK.https://www.ramtrucks.com.au/
They start at about AU$120k though.
300bhp/ton said:
BFleming said:
Zed Ed said:
Surprised US cars aren’t more liked in the U.K.
Old school V8 over farting 4 pots; not a hard choice.
Interesting times with Brexit.
Left hand drive, too big for UK parking spaces, too inefficient, using petrol that costs a multiple of what it does in the US... Old school V8 over farting 4 pots; not a hard choice.
Interesting times with Brexit.
Brexit... sorry, how / what?
And inefficient
where on Earth did you pluck that chestnut from 
Inefficient? Come on you know what he meant...mpg/running costs. Current US fuel prices show the equivalent of 65 pence/litre so, let's say 15mpg over there relates to 30+ over here cost wise.
Water Fairy said:
LHD not an issue in whose opinion? Yours. For others it understandably is.
Inefficient? Come on you know what he meant...mpg/running costs. Current US fuel prices show the equivalent of 65 pence/litre so, let's say 15mpg over there relates to 30+ over here cost wise.
LHD really isn’t an issue. That isn’t just my opinion but others on here too. Plus I’m saying this with 15 years experience driving LHD cars in Britain. There really are very few situations that it is a real negative. And the ones that do exist are generally very minor. Inefficient? Come on you know what he meant...mpg/running costs. Current US fuel prices show the equivalent of 65 pence/litre so, let's say 15mpg over there relates to 30+ over here cost wise.
As for mpg/efficiency discussions. I think you are confusing price with actual efficiency. We all know fuel is cheaper in the USA. But that doesn’t mean their vehicles are less efficient. In fact quite the opposite.
My 5.7 auto Camaro was better on fuel than my Impreza. In fact it did the same mpg as my brothers MG ZS 180. Which was lighter and made about half the HP.
Legislation has changed a bit in recent years. But through the 80’s and into the 2000’s the US had a thing called “Gas Guzzler” tax. That was applied to cars with poor mpg on the EPA rating. Nearly all of the Camaro’s, Firebirds, Mustangs and Corvettes didn’t have this as their mpg was good enough. On the flip side a BMW M and most fast Mercedes were subject to the Gas Guzzler tax.
HD Adam said:
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My Challenger is no bigger than a 5/7 series BMW.
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Isn't the Challenger based on an (old) E-Class platform, from back when Mercedes were merged with Chrysler?My Challenger is no bigger than a 5/7 series BMW.
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Similarly, there are plenty of Mustang now in the UK and they aren't ridiculously sized.
I'm not sure there is much of a mainstream market for any of the larger American trucks or SUVs, things like the Grand Cherokee or Ford Edge aren't exactly flying off the forecourts.
(See plenty of Jeep Renegades about, but they are European cars sent back across the pond)
300posts/day said:
LHD really isn’t the issue it’s made out to be.
In my opinion, it is. I bought a near-new car in Germany before moving to the UK a year later, and it was a pain in the arse in London (entering car parks, toll booths, turning right at junctions with lots of traffic), it was tolerable on motorways and dual carriageways, but again a pain on A & B roads where I was reliant on my often non-present passenger to do the sighting past lorries & tractors - or i just sat there at their speed - which I often did. Nothing wrong with LHD as long as it's not your everyday car.My 'size' comment was related to trucks like the Ram. Not suitable for UK parking spaces, but if it's your weekend / once a month toy, and you have a driveway, fill your boots.
As as for inefficient, I meant poor MPG (but possibly pretty good considering the size of the engine). Hardly ones for the environmentalists. But you possibly knew what I meant.
rix said:
I never knew David Boatwright was ‘official’ - I had assumed it was a grey import - anyone know if the cars need IVA and conversion this end or is it done in the factory?
They have be official for about 6 months all cars still require iva work which is done locally by their workshop BFleming said:
300posts/day said:
LHD really isn’t the issue it’s made out to be.
In my opinion, it is. I bought a near-new car in Germany before moving to the UK a year later, and it was a pain in the arse in London (entering car parks, toll booths, turning right at junctions with lots of traffic), it was tolerable on motorways and dual carriageways, but again a pain on A & B roads where I was reliant on my often non-present passenger to do the sighting past lorries & tractors - or i just sat there at their speed - which I often did. Nothing wrong with LHD as long as it's not your everyday car.My 'size' comment was related to trucks like the Ram. Not suitable for UK parking spaces, but if it's your weekend / once a month toy, and you have a driveway, fill your boots.
As as for inefficient, I meant poor MPG (but possibly pretty good considering the size of the engine). Hardly ones for the environmentalists. But you possibly knew what I meant.
A friend has a Challenger as his everyday car and doesn't complain but never directly asked him.
Economy on mine was pretty poor but it was an older truck with no cylinder shutdown etc and was used 90% around town
BFleming said:
As as for inefficient, I meant poor MPG (but possibly pretty good considering the size of the engine). Hardly ones for the environmentalists. But you possibly knew what I meant.
I wouldn't base mpg on engine size. More performance or power. i.e. most 350-400hp American engines are as efficient or more efficient in an mpg sense as engines are from BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Jaguar, Toyota, Nissan, Honda etc.Obviously comparing a 6 litre plus V8 to a 1.6 four pot in a compact car will give a skewed view though.
BFleming said:
My 'size' comment was related to trucks like the Ram. Not suitable for UK parking spaces, but if it's your weekend / once a month toy, and you have a driveway, fill your boots.
To some extent yes. Although the short bed regular cab trucks are not really any bigger than a Range Rover or something like a Transit van.Long bed trucks with a quad/king cab are much bigger. But tbh likely far less useful in the UK anyway. But I get where you are coming from.
BFleming said:
In my opinion, it is. I bought a near-new car in Germany before moving to the UK a year later, and it was a pain in the arse in London (entering car parks, toll booths, turning right at junctions with lots of traffic), it was tolerable on motorways and dual carriageways, but again a pain on A & B roads where I was reliant on my often non-present passenger to do the sighting past lorries & tractors - or i just sat there at their speed - which I often did. Nothing wrong with LHD as long as it's not your everyday car.
I do admit it will depend on your exact use and where you live. But rationally speaking the majority of people in the UK don't actually live in London, i.e. there are more people living elsewhere. So London driving only impacts a minority of drivers across the UK.Toll booths and parking machines, you can always get out and walk round the car. Yes it is something to live with. But is still quite minor in the grand scheme of things. And only likely to cost 30 seconds to a journey. Hardly the big deal it is being made out to be.
Personally never had an issue pulling out of junctions, it's all about road position. Turning right should be fine, can't see the use case with LHD impacting this.
Narrow streets and parked cars might be a bit more of an issue if you have to pull in, seeing out past the parked cars is a bit harder. But again, only likely to impact the minority of people in very specific situations.
As for tractors and lorries. Again from personal experience I can't say I have found this to be much of an issue. I don't really overtake all that much though. But tbh if you can't see well enough to overtake in a LHD car, then the brutal truth and reality is, you probably shouldn't be attempting the overtake in a RHD car either. There will be localised exceptions to this. But this really shouldn't be a deal breaker IMO.
I live in a densely populated area of the SE. Yet I do not confine driving my LHD Camaro to dual carriageways. It gets mostly driven on B roads:
https://youtu.be/_S9UJVasWyw
Would I use it daily? Absolutely. The only reason I don't is I do 70 miles a day and pay for all of my own fuel. Nothing to do with it being LHD.
300bhp/ton said:
An aural delight, that car. Particularly on the overtakes and in first and second gear.Truly a sense of occasion. Like being in your own movie.
skyrover said:
Cant wait.
Roll on Brexit and a UK/USA trade deal. Looking forward to loads more yank metal on our roads.
I don't think the reason that the cars haven't made it over is related to lack of tarriffs, I think it's down to demand - or at least perceived demand. They've tried to sell Dodges before in the UK with poor success, and it's only recently that Ford have started selling the Mustang officially. Perhaps the success of that has made them see a potential market in a way they didn't before.Roll on Brexit and a UK/USA trade deal. Looking forward to loads more yank metal on our roads.
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