RE: Audi S6 Avant vs. Mercedes-AMG E53 Estate
Discussion
Macboy said:
The diesel S6 could become the case study in how long product planning and development cycles are and how out of touch with consumer opinion this can make new models. Regardless of how well it disguises it’s origins, Audi have seriously misjudged the market and appetite for a car like this.
Quite. What do Audi know about marketing and products compared to your averqge PHer? And the "You can pry my V8 from my cold dead hands" brigade eventually buy a diesel S6 or AMG because it has an Audi or Merc badge on it and it's 'quick', even though both the exhaust and the noise are fake.
Then one day in a few years they realise the whole thing is a ruse and buy the quicker, better EV versions when they realise they are driving round in slow, fake-noised imitations of the cars they remembered and they can pay 0-2% BIK on their rep/manager-mobile...
Then one day in a few years they realise the whole thing is a ruse and buy the quicker, better EV versions when they realise they are driving round in slow, fake-noised imitations of the cars they remembered and they can pay 0-2% BIK on their rep/manager-mobile...
Edited by Bee_Jay on Wednesday 14th August 14:51
nickfrog said:
Yes and that's quite a popular car on PH 
by a handful of people who like to indulge in wearing hair shirts, the sort of people that think rover made good cars, or the i3 looks good ... /facepalmbut then again the majority voted for brexit and read the daily mail
QED
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Macboy said:
The diesel S6 could become the case study in how long product planning and development cycles are and how out of touch with consumer opinion this can make new models. Regardless of how well it disguises it’s origins, Audi have seriously misjudged the market and appetite for a car like this.
Exactly this. A diesel motor has no place in a sports-oriented vehicle. Period. Doesn't matter how much torque or little CO2 it puts out; it makes for a miserable driving experience for anything other than motorway munching, which admittedly is probably where these things spend most of their days.I suspect the S6 will sell to those who know nothing, purchase largely on aesthetic, and on merit of practicality and option/trim level rather than driving dynamics. E53 every single day. Not having to smell miserable (and largely noxious) diesel fumes in the morning would be reason enough for me to head the E53 route, given the choice of these two.
I think I’d take the Audi, I think it looks better than the Merc but that’s subjective.
If I was in the position of buying, I’d just save 15k+ and buy the A6 50 TDI. My brother has the 40 TDI and it’s got a lot of kit standard, all you need apart from the digital cockpit which is a gimmick in my opinion. I wouldn’t even tick the B&O audio as the standard one is just as good as the HK in my BMW, just doesn’t go as loud.
The Merc is nice but my problem with it is that the majority I see are taxi’s, E53 obviously has the 4 tailpipes and different grille but it puts me off it.
If I was in the position of buying, I’d just save 15k+ and buy the A6 50 TDI. My brother has the 40 TDI and it’s got a lot of kit standard, all you need apart from the digital cockpit which is a gimmick in my opinion. I wouldn’t even tick the B&O audio as the standard one is just as good as the HK in my BMW, just doesn’t go as loud.
The Merc is nice but my problem with it is that the majority I see are taxi’s, E53 obviously has the 4 tailpipes and different grille but it puts me off it.
As mentioned by others, sod buying one outside of warranty; once these are too old or have to many miles to by an AUC, they'll be worth peanuts because you'll need to be brave to take one on.
I struggle to see past the diesel engine in the Audi, I really do so it would have to be the Mercedes for me (assuming I was mad enough to spend c.£70k on either of them).
I struggle to see past the diesel engine in the Audi, I really do so it would have to be the Mercedes for me (assuming I was mad enough to spend c.£70k on either of them).
Would be interesting to compare the new S6 with the older A6 BiTdi. That's really what it replaces, and they sold a shedload more of those than the previous petrols S6's. The new S6 would probably appeal to me a lot more if it wasn't an S6, if you see what I mean...
FWIW, my local dealer has an 2k miles, 2-month-old S6 saloon up for £48K. Not sure of spec, but it's dropped at least £13K from list price.
FWIW, my local dealer has an 2k miles, 2-month-old S6 saloon up for £48K. Not sure of spec, but it's dropped at least £13K from list price.
Oh deary me, where do I begin.
E53 all day long.
Love the audi s and rs models but cant help to think what were they thinking with this s6? Diesel v6 with 350 bhp and 35mpg. Awesome. I'd rather have a 350bhp petrol v6 with 25mpg, and cant see it being popular with company car users either really. If you are covering serious miles you want better than 35mpg.
And the whole starter alternator motor unit, I know starter motors are more reliable now generally than they were 20 years ago but when that goes wrong it's probably going to write the car off. Not to mention probably got to remove the gearbox to replace it.
E53 all day long.
Love the audi s and rs models but cant help to think what were they thinking with this s6? Diesel v6 with 350 bhp and 35mpg. Awesome. I'd rather have a 350bhp petrol v6 with 25mpg, and cant see it being popular with company car users either really. If you are covering serious miles you want better than 35mpg.
And the whole starter alternator motor unit, I know starter motors are more reliable now generally than they were 20 years ago but when that goes wrong it's probably going to write the car off. Not to mention probably got to remove the gearbox to replace it.
Vocht said:
What are the tuning options for these new electric turbo / hybrid power trains as seen in the Merc? I'd personally go for the S6 as i'm sure the remap/tuning options are much simpler and proven.
The simple fact is for most cars (and I’d guess especially ones like these), only a teeeeeny proportion go anywhere near a tuner. It’s simply not a buying consideration for most buyers.silentbrown said:
simonbamg said:
S6 for me i like the tailpipes
Seriously? You know they're dummies.
As if these cars could get any less appealing to me
Two different sides of the same turd these two
Depressing
Saw a couple of golf R’s boot it last week sounds like a washing machine building up to spin, farting as it changes up then more washing machine noises. Can’t imagine these two are an improvement on that given their powertrains
jakesmith said:
Wtf
As if these cars could get any less appealing to me
Two different sides of the same turd these two
Depressing
Saw a couple of golf R’s boot it last week sounds like a washing machine building up to spin, farting as it changes up then more washing machine noises. Can’t imagine these two are an improvement on that given their powertrains
You can't imagine the 6 cylinder petrol Merc is an improvement in noise from the Golf R? Really?As if these cars could get any less appealing to me
Two different sides of the same turd these two
Depressing
Saw a couple of golf R’s boot it last week sounds like a washing machine building up to spin, farting as it changes up then more washing machine noises. Can’t imagine these two are an improvement on that given their powertrains
jakesmith said:
Yes I have heard many cars with turbos, as well as plenty of hybrids.
They both sound absolutely gash so I can’t imagine how combining them is going to be an improvement
You said you didn't think the Merc would be any nicer sounding than a Golf R. So a turbo charged 6 cylinder engine won't sound nicer than a turbocharged 4 cylinder in your opinion? I don't see the relevance of the hybrid gubbins in relation to sound? A La Ferrari is a hybrid and that doesn't sound bad. They both sound absolutely gash so I can’t imagine how combining them is going to be an improvement
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