RE: Alpine A110 gets 305hp with RaceChip

[bcr5784]

Derek Chevalier said:

That's very quick - around 1.7 seconds quicker than the standard model achieved in Autocar (two up I guess). In EVO the Cayman S got the ton in 9.3, so the Litchfield mod must take the Alpine into the 8s seeing as it beat the GTS

Seems like the drivetrain is covered

https://m.facebook.com/LitchfieldMotors/posts/2554...

Reassuring if true - but https://www.litchfieldmotors.com/ALPINE/a110 actually says engine warranty, not drivetrain warranty.

[J4CKO]

Wills2 said:

There is a good video of the Litchfield version vs a 718 GTS on carwow, the Litchfield car is bloody quick over the qtr mile, just beats the 718.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJuSx3zf9pg

It did shift a bit, but seemed a bit strange comparing a car with a remap to otherwise factory standard cars, not sure what the Cayman has available but the Supra can be tuned very cheaply, as can the TTRS which seemed to be uncharacteristically slow (relatively) compared to its normal results of blitzing everything.

[Derek Chevalier]

J4CKO said:

Wills2 said:

There is a good video of the Litchfield version vs a 718 GTS on carwow, the Litchfield car is bloody quick over the qtr mile, just beats the 718.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJuSx3zf9pg

It did shift a bit, but seemed a bit strange comparing a car with a remap to otherwise factory standard cars, not sure what the Cayman has available but the Supra can be tuned very cheaply, as can the TTRS which seemed to be uncharacteristically slow (relatively) compared to its normal results of blitzing everything.

Fair point, but its a great advert for Litchfield

Reminds me of the crazy Cerbera years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGATSb54YEQ

[J4CKO]

Derek Chevalier said:

J4CKO said:

Wills2 said:

There is a good video of the Litchfield version vs a 718 GTS on carwow, the Litchfield car is bloody quick over the qtr mile, just beats the 718.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJuSx3zf9pg

It did shift a bit, but seemed a bit strange comparing a car with a remap to otherwise factory standard cars, not sure what the Cayman has available but the Supra can be tuned very cheaply, as can the TTRS which seemed to be uncharacteristically slow (relatively) compared to its normal results of blitzing everything.

Fair point, but its a great advert for Litchfield

Reminds me of the crazy Cerbera years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGATSb54YEQ

Be interesting to try it against tuned versions of the other ones, its like having a bike race against Lance Armstrong as it is.

Amazing how much stuff will perform like the TVR nowadays, wasnt really anything back then

[cerb4.5lee]

J4CKO said:

Amazing how much stuff will perform like the TVR nowadays, wasnt really anything back then

Agree. The BMW M4 has a very similar 0 to 100 time to my old Cerbera 4.5 yet it weighs around 350kgs more. Performance has moved on so much for sure and cars are still getting quicker.

[bcr5784]

J4CKO said:

Be interesting to try it against tuned versions of the other ones, its like having a bike race against Lance Armstrong as it is.

Amazing how much stuff will perform like the TVR nowadays, wasnt really anything back then

Fair question - from what I've seen there's 50 bhp or so to be had for a simple remap of the Cayman or Supra. - and at the same sort of (£1k) of price as the Alpine remap. I suspect that would make those three neck an neck for performance. Makes both the Supra and Alpine look good on a bang per buck basis - less so for the Cayman. Bound to feel that the Audi ought to be up there with them - in a straight line at least.

[Sporky]

I'd assumed e eryone was surprised by the TTRS's poor showing. Shouldn't it have been ahead off the line at least?

[Wills2]

J4CKO said:

Wills2 said:

There is a good video of the Litchfield version vs a 718 GTS on carwow, the Litchfield car is bloody quick over the qtr mile, just beats the 718.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJuSx3zf9pg

It did shift a bit, but seemed a bit strange comparing a car with a remap to otherwise factory standard cars, not sure what the Cayman has available but the Supra can be tuned very cheaply, as can the TTRS which seemed to be uncharacteristically slow (relatively) compared to its normal results of blitzing everything.

Of course I guess it's just interesting to see how they all perform as the Alpine starts out with 250hp and the others are all 340hp-400hp the Litchfield tune evens things out a bit, he has done the same before comparing standard and tuned cars (same model) which gives a good idea of what your remap money gets you.

I don't care which car "wins" or think it means one is better than the other or that another car couldn't be made to go faster, I think you should probably look at these drag races as just a bit of fun rather than strange but it's up to you.

[Derek Chevalier]

cerb4.5lee said:

J4CKO said:

Amazing how much stuff will perform like the TVR nowadays, wasnt really anything back then

Agree. The BMW M4 has a very similar 0 to 100 time to my old Cerbera 4.5 yet it weighs around 350kgs more. Performance has moved on so much for sure and cars are still getting quicker.

Didn't that Cerbera have a special engine in?

[Derek Chevalier]

bcr5784 said:

Derek Chevalier said:

That's very quick - around 1.7 seconds quicker than the standard model achieved in Autocar (two up I guess). In EVO the Cayman S got the ton in 9.3, so the Litchfield mod must take the Alpine into the 8s seeing as it beat the GTS

Seems like the drivetrain is covered

https://m.facebook.com/LitchfieldMotors/posts/2554...

Reassuring if true - but https://www.litchfieldmotors.com/ALPINE/a110 actually says engine warranty, not drivetrain warranty.

I'll ask

[cerb4.5lee]

Derek Chevalier said:

cerb4.5lee said:

J4CKO said:

Amazing how much stuff will perform like the TVR nowadays, wasnt really anything back then

Agree. The BMW M4 has a very similar 0 to 100 time to my old Cerbera 4.5 yet it weighs around 350kgs more. Performance has moved on so much for sure and cars are still getting quicker.

Didn't that Cerbera have a special engine in?

It did, but I'm not bothered about the Cerbera though, and I'm more impressed with how quick the M4 is now!

I never felt that my E92 M3 was that quick(in comparison to my cerb), but the M4 is in a different league for sure.

[bcr5784]

Wills2 said:

I don't care which car "wins" or think it means one is better than the other or that another car couldn't be made to go faster, I think you should probably look at these drag races as just a bit of fun rather than strange but it's up to you.

Have to agree. As another poster said the A110 in standard form has as much performance as you can sensibly use on the road. These days supercars have crazy amounts of power - even the A110 will see off supercars of the past with ease in anything other than top speed.

Similar things could be said about bikes. I remember years ago when the Z1 Kawasaki came out, testers saying that it had as much power as you could possibly use. It had 85bhp and weighed 560 pounds. Todays superbikes have 200bhp and weigh 400 pounds. Chassis have come a long way since then - but not that far.

Edited by bcr5784 on Wednesday 21st August 08:39

[Sporky]

blade7 said:

The A110 wouldn't even see off a lightly fettled 30 year old 944 turbo, which is hardly a supercar.

And thus irrelevant to the point made.

[Miserablegit]

blade7 said:

The A110 wouldn't even see off a lightly fettled 30 year old 944 turbo, which is hardly a supercar. And I suspect claims about it having as much performance as you can sensibly use, are from quite conservative drivers. As for superbikes, I've owned a Z1 and plenty more up to a 195 bhp BMW, and the chassis/electronics coped just fine.

You are such a clown
I suppose it depends on what you mean by lightly fettled...strapping it to a Saturn V possibly?
On the basis the std 3.0 turbo 944 weighed more than an Alpine and produced less power you’re going to have to do an awful lot.

On the basis the 968 replaced it and the cayman and Boxster variants replaced that and are presumably better than a 944 then I think you are talking out of your hat yet again.

Even a current cayman S loses out to a standard a110 to 80mph and that has 350 hp but is lugging around an extra 300-400kg.

[T-195]

Sporky said:

blade7 said:

The A110 wouldn't even see off a lightly fettled 30 year old 944 turbo, which is hardly a supercar.

And thus irrelevant to the point made.

Way to miss the point, Grandad.

2 seconds quicker to 60 than a standard 944 Turbo, which was hardly a budget sports car when new.

[Miserablegit]

Actually the Alpine is rubbish as it can’t keep up with an old Volvo that has been lightly fettled...

https://www.driving.co.uk/news/guy-martin-on-his-v...

[bcr5784]

Miserablegit said:

Actually the Alpine is rubbish as it can’t keep up with an old Volvo that has been lightly fettled...

https://www.driving.co.uk/news/guy-martin-on-his-v...

Super article - I particularly liked his view " The way I see it, anyone who says they drive their supercar fast on the road is still nowhere near its limits but no doubt beyond theirs."

[Sporky]

T-195 said:

Way to miss the point, Grandad.

No; it's you that's missed the point I made. No need for name-calling.

[Miserablegit]

blade7 said:

Tell me more about the std 3.0 turbo 944...

Ah you got me. Forgot the 3.0 was na but truth is I didn’t care enough to check.
Anyway I’ll leave you to it for a while as I’m watching a mkv spitfire at the moment

[T-195]

blade7 said:

T-195 said:

Way to miss the point, Grandad.

2 seconds quicker to 60 than a standard 944 Turbo,

Reading isn't your strong point is it sonny.

Which part of your post have I failed to read properly, Grandad.

That I also note you haven't included here.

Edited by T-195 on Wednesday 21st August 13:33