RE: Ford Fiesta ST Performance Edition | Driven
Discussion
blade7 said:
Would you ever spend £26k of your own money on a 3 cylinder Fiesta?
If I was in the market for a B-segment hot hatch, then a Fiesta ST would be top of the list of cars to test drive. I personally wouldn't buy one of these, as I'm not a big fan of the colour, but a Performance Pack ST-3 in Silver Fox, with the wheels and suspension would be a very tempting proposition.I don't care about the engine configuration, provided it performs well and has a bit of character. I'd be very interest to try one of these, as the engine seems to get a lot of praise.
Jon_S_Rally said:
blade7 said:
Would you ever spend £26k of your own money on a 3 cylinder Fiesta?
If I was in the market for a B-segment hot hatch, then a Fiesta ST would be top of the list of cars to test drive. I personally wouldn't buy one of these, as I'm not a big fan of the colour, but a Performance Pack ST-3 in Silver Fox, with the wheels and suspension would be a very tempting proposition.I don't care about the engine configuration, provided it performs well and has a bit of character. I'd be very interest to try one of these, as the engine seems to get a lot of praise.
it handles fantastic and the low down pull from the 3 cylinder is akin to some of the common rail dervs's we have had !!
try one, got a feeling we will be keeping ours long term (oh and it's also fantastic on Fuel !)
only thing I would change is going for the smaller wheels (on the ST2 and the performance edition) as I feel it looks a bit "overwheeled"
The MK7 is my Mrs runaround car. She likes the looks and interior of the new one, but I still think the 3 cylinder engine is a downgrade. I doubt there will be a warranty friendly power increase, because it's probably running ST200/Mountune boost already. Plus I think it's too expensive.
blade7 said:
The MK7 is my Mrs runaround car. She likes the looks and interior of the new one, but I still think the 3 cylinder engine is a downgrade. I doubt there will be a warranty friendly power increase, because it's probably running ST200/Mountune boost already. Plus I think it's too expensive.
The Moutune 225hp kit is warranty approved. And by all accounts the standard car has the pants down of the old one in a drag race. If 3 cylinders is such a deal breaker for you, it's a shame as you're really missing out on a great engine/car. Honestly....I'd take a 3 pot over yet another 4 pot any day.blade7 said:
RacerMike said:
The Moutune 225hp kit is warranty approved.
On the MK7. I think the MK7 was already a 215bhp car and Ford restricted it to be insurance/tax friendly. And to give Mountune and the dealers a sweetner with the upgrade.Edited by blade7 on Wednesday 21st August 12:56
blade7 said:
RacerMike said:
The Moutune 225hp kit is warranty approved.
On the MK7. I think the MK7 was already a 215bhp car and Ford restricted it to be insurance/tax friendly. And to give Mountune and the dealers a sweetner with the upgrade.Edited by blade7 on Wednesday 21st August 12:56
Standard vs standard, the Mk8 blows the Mk7 out of the water. And with the M225 tune, I have no doubt that it would be the same vs a M215 Mk7.
https://youtu.be/vQfND8jOtJ8
By all accounts the 3 pot is a peach. Fair enough if you really can’t cope with the idea that an engine has 3 cylinders, but it’s a bizarre sticking point given that the entire car is better, the engine is actually better and the interior is better. Absolutely every review of the Mk8 ST has been overwhelmingly positive.
RacerMike said:
The Mk7 was a 180bhp car. It was only ever 215hp with a tune.
Standard vs standard, the Mk8 blows the Mk7 out of the water. And with the M225 tune, I have no doubt that it would be the same vs a M215 Mk7.
https://youtu.be/vQfND8jOtJ8
By all accounts the 3 pot is a peach. Fair enough if you really can’t cope with the idea that an engine has 3 cylinders, but it’s a bizarre sticking point given that the entire car is better, the engine is actually better and the interior is better. Absolutely every review of the Mk8 ST has been overwhelmingly positive.
the mk7 was 200hp, in America is was 200hp - it was only the way that the overboost worked that it couldn't be classified as 200hp in Europe Standard vs standard, the Mk8 blows the Mk7 out of the water. And with the M225 tune, I have no doubt that it would be the same vs a M215 Mk7.
https://youtu.be/vQfND8jOtJ8
By all accounts the 3 pot is a peach. Fair enough if you really can’t cope with the idea that an engine has 3 cylinders, but it’s a bizarre sticking point given that the entire car is better, the engine is actually better and the interior is better. Absolutely every review of the Mk8 ST has been overwhelmingly positive.
there's absolutely no warranty with the mountune on the mk8, this is why hardly anyone has it in comparison to the mp215 which was extremely popular
WCZ said:
RacerMike said:
The Mk7 was a 180bhp car. It was only ever 215hp with a tune.
Standard vs standard, the Mk8 blows the Mk7 out of the water. And with the M225 tune, I have no doubt that it would be the same vs a M215 Mk7.
https://youtu.be/vQfND8jOtJ8
By all accounts the 3 pot is a peach. Fair enough if you really can’t cope with the idea that an engine has 3 cylinders, but it’s a bizarre sticking point given that the entire car is better, the engine is actually better and the interior is better. Absolutely every review of the Mk8 ST has been overwhelmingly positive.
the mk7 was 200hp, in America is was 200hp - it was only the way that the overboost worked that it couldn't be classified as 200hp in Europe Standard vs standard, the Mk8 blows the Mk7 out of the water. And with the M225 tune, I have no doubt that it would be the same vs a M215 Mk7.
https://youtu.be/vQfND8jOtJ8
By all accounts the 3 pot is a peach. Fair enough if you really can’t cope with the idea that an engine has 3 cylinders, but it’s a bizarre sticking point given that the entire car is better, the engine is actually better and the interior is better. Absolutely every review of the Mk8 ST has been overwhelmingly positive.
there's absolutely no warranty with the mountune on the mk8, this is why hardly anyone has it in comparison to the mp215 which was extremely popular
RacerMike said:
Ok. Well like for like as standard the new car is significantly quicker as clearly demonstrated in the video.
Sales motivated new car dealer, with empty fuel tank, stickier tyres (and slipper?) beats mystery age old car surprise...Try a ST200 next time.Edited by blade7 on Wednesday 21st August 17:23
blade7 said:
RacerMike said:
Ok. Well like for like as standard the new car is significantly quicker as clearly demonstrated in the video.
Sales motivated new car dealer, with empty fuel tank, stickier tyres (and slipper?) beats mystery age old car surprise...Try a ST200 next time.Edited by blade7 on Wednesday 21st August 17:23
And as for the ST200....the end of line special was .2s slower to 60 than the new car.
The old car was a great car. No ones disputing that. No one will think any less of you for owning one. The new one is even better. It has a great chassis, great interior and a fantastic engine. And it’s quicker.
RacerMike said:
And as for the ST200....the end of line special was .2s slower to 60 than the new car.
The old car was a great car. No ones disputing that. No one will think any less of you for owning one.
0.2s, damn. Technically I don't one, it belongs to her indoors. I reckon it's a womans or young mans car anyway, I sometimes wear a baseball cap back to front when I drive it, to compensate for being an old git The old car was a great car. No ones disputing that. No one will think any less of you for owning one.
.blade7 said:
RacerMike said:
And as for the ST200....the end of line special was .2s slower to 60 than the new car.
The old car was a great car. No ones disputing that. No one will think any less of you for owning one.
0.2s, damn. Technically I don't one, it belongs to her indoors. I reckon it's a womans or young mans car anyway, I sometimes wear a baseball cap back to front when I drive it, to compensate for being an old git The old car was a great car. No ones disputing that. No one will think any less of you for owning one.
.But the ST Line is a lot of fun....and has a really good interior. Put it this way....I wouldn’t have even entertained getting a Fiesta if it still had a Mk7 interior. It was genuinely horrendous. And driving any distance in the older Fiesta was pretty terrible too.
There’s no way I’d chose a Mk7 over a Mk8....especially not an ST. Why would you get a slower, less refined and less capable car with a souless engine over the new one?!
lee_erm said:
blade7 said:
I had a brand new 1.0 Focus as a loan car for a couple of weeks. Nice cruiser, but the engine was very dull.
It's great fun in a Fiesta. Amazing how different it feels lugging a focus aroundPrice inflation is no way in line with inflation. It is all about the tech. I paid £10,250 for my brand new Clio 172 cup in 2003, albeit through company car scheme so heavily discounted. List was £12995 IIRC.
In terms of pure inflation the equivalent car should be circa £16,000 (based upon list of £12k). Obviously £16k wouldn't go any way to putting you in a brand new hot hatch nowadays and even if it did it wouldn't be as good as the cup was as it was fantastic!
In terms of pure inflation the equivalent car should be circa £16,000 (based upon list of £12k). Obviously £16k wouldn't go any way to putting you in a brand new hot hatch nowadays and even if it did it wouldn't be as good as the cup was as it was fantastic!
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