RE: VW Golf GTI Clubsport S | Spotted
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gigglebug said:
Digga said:
Joking aside, Panda 100hp's, with a decent set of tyres and suspension setup are very swift around the 'Ring.
I well believe it. To be fair on the, admittedly limited, track days I have experienced the quickest car on paper has rarely been the quickest car on the day, with the one notable exception where a very fast car was being driven very competently. I've seen very modest looking cars go extremely quickly, because they are highly modified and driven by very competent and experienced drivers. Equally, I do know people with incredible, rare, superb machines who are also hugely gifted and more than capable of driving them to their maximum. The rest of us are rarely as good as our own (often modest) vehicles.
Chestrockwell said:
Will you stop crying and acting like a kid, talking about ‘oh well you will never get near the 7.43’, I’m only saying that to wind the clowns up who get so annoyed when I mention the Civic that they talk about my ‘driving’ skills and lack of track day experience when comparing the Civic to this Golf!
I didn’t come on this thread to wind anyone up, I made a logical argument about VW and Renaults strategy and compared it to Honda. Then the usual suspects came and started talking about my skills and my personal ring time being 10 minutes. You’re all like a bunch of kids! Falling for the trap, taking me seriously and carrying on with the ‘well you’ll never get near the 7.43 and a fiat panda is faster than you!!’ Like I give a f
k what my ring time would be!!
If there’s a thread about a fast FWD car that once claimed the ring time, I’m going to chime in and compare it to my Civic. If I receive comments about my skill and personal ring times (frankly absurd) when it’s not relevant, I’m going to start trolling and I’m clearly successful as I have many biters. Look at my input on this thread from the start, started off being logical and rational.
But why do you feel the need to come on every thread about FWD cars and tell everyone that you have a Civic and that you like it. What makes you think that anyone cares? I didn’t come on this thread to wind anyone up, I made a logical argument about VW and Renaults strategy and compared it to Honda. Then the usual suspects came and started talking about my skills and my personal ring time being 10 minutes. You’re all like a bunch of kids! Falling for the trap, taking me seriously and carrying on with the ‘well you’ll never get near the 7.43 and a fiat panda is faster than you!!’ Like I give a f
k what my ring time would be!! If there’s a thread about a fast FWD car that once claimed the ring time, I’m going to chime in and compare it to my Civic. If I receive comments about my skill and personal ring times (frankly absurd) when it’s not relevant, I’m going to start trolling and I’m clearly successful as I have many biters. Look at my input on this thread from the start, started off being logical and rational.
Digga said:
Joking aside, Panda 100hp's, with a decent set of tyres and suspension setup are very swift around the 'Ring.
In fairness most cars with decent tyres and suspension are good around the ring when you know the lines to take.The 100hp Panda is by far the most overrated car on pistonheads. Yes they are above average for their price and horsepower but nowhere near as good as people make out. The way some owners rave about them you have to wonder what other cars they have actually driven.
The original USP was the discreetness of the car and over delivering versus what you would expect, however most car enthusiasts at this stage have had the "greatness" of the car rammed down their throat so similar to me when you take it for a spin its a let down.
Jon_S_Rally said:
But why do you feel the need to come on every thread about FWD cars and tell everyone that you have a Civic and that you like it. What makes you think that anyone cares?
By your logic, PistonHeads should either ban people from giving their opinions and comparisons or it should just shut down completely Turbobanana said:
The article said:
Also, it's in Fife, which might be tricky for some...
Why is there always the assumption that location is a hindrance? My experience of selling specialist cars is that people looking for something specific rarely mind where it's located. Has the added benefit of not having to deal with Scottish people
I’m a massive Golf fan and I drove my mates Clubsport last weekend. I must admit I was hugely impressed by it. As is he.
He is so impressed by the car that he has not missed his weekend car terribly much whilst it’s been in for some repairs. The weekend car being a very well specced 996 GT3 Clubsport.
That speaks volumes for me of the Golf, it’s a fantastic do everything car, that can also be brutally fast and focused whilst being quite happy to toddle off to the shops quite discreetly.
The Honda Civic could be faster than a veyron, and handle like an Elise, however with that looks I could never ever see myself parking one in my drive and saying yeah, bloody good looking car that. Looks only a mother could love
He is so impressed by the car that he has not missed his weekend car terribly much whilst it’s been in for some repairs. The weekend car being a very well specced 996 GT3 Clubsport.
That speaks volumes for me of the Golf, it’s a fantastic do everything car, that can also be brutally fast and focused whilst being quite happy to toddle off to the shops quite discreetly.
The Honda Civic could be faster than a veyron, and handle like an Elise, however with that looks I could never ever see myself parking one in my drive and saying yeah, bloody good looking car that. Looks only a mother could love
Chestrockwell said:
Velox56 said:
Mate we get it, your car is fast when a racing driver drives it. As long as you enjoy your car then that's fine good for you. But doesn't mean that you can come on here and make yourself feel all big by saying how fast your civic is. You just sound like a tt
You just seem insecure, probably about the fact that you will never get near 7.43. Yes your car is faster and more expensive then mine is, that's fine, I enjoy my car when I drive it. Only difference is I don't have to justify and show off in front of everyone else about it. Chill out, everyone likes different things, some people don't like the look of your car, some people do its life.
Will you stop crying and acting like a kid, talking about ‘oh well you will never get near the 7.43’, I’m only saying that to wind the clowns up who get so annoyed when I mention the Civic that they talk about my ‘driving’ skills and lack of track day experience when comparing the Civic to this Golf! t You just seem insecure, probably about the fact that you will never get near 7.43. Yes your car is faster and more expensive then mine is, that's fine, I enjoy my car when I drive it. Only difference is I don't have to justify and show off in front of everyone else about it. Chill out, everyone likes different things, some people don't like the look of your car, some people do its life.
I didn’t come on this thread to wind anyone up, I made a logical argument about VW and Renaults strategy and compared it to Honda. Then the usual suspects came and started talking about my skills and my personal ring time being 10 minutes. You’re all like a bunch of kids! Falling for the trap, taking me seriously and carrying on with the ‘well you’ll never get near the 7.43 and a fiat panda is faster than you!!’ Like I give a f
k what my ring time would be!! If there’s a thread about a fast FWD car that once claimed the ring time, I’m going to chime in and compare it to my Civic. If I receive comments about my skill and personal ring times (frankly absurd) when it’s not relevant, I’m going to start trolling and I’m clearly successful as I have many biters. Look at my input on this thread from the start, started off being logical and rational.
. The VW and Renault argument is fine, Im not on about that, Im on about the constant comments about how your car is quicker than every other car. Like I said, if you like your car that's fine you can say you like it, but you went further then that and kept banging on about what cars its faster then. The guys only mentioned your driving ability cause you keep saying how quick it is and they are probably fed up of hearing it
. Yes its fast, we know. There is more to car than just speed, but if that's what floats ya boat then good for you. Edited to Add my grammar is shocking.
Chestrockwell said:
By your logic, PistonHeads should either ban people from giving their opinions and comparisons or it should just shut down completely
You're allowed an opinion, but you don't need to come on to every thread saying that your Civic is better than everything else in the world, along with posting a picture of it Jon_S_Rally said:
Chestrockwell said:
By your logic, PistonHeads should either ban people from giving their opinions and comparisons or it should just shut down completely
You're allowed an opinion, but you don't need to come on to every thread saying that your Civic is better than everything else in the world, along with posting a picture of it It is like having a cut price RamboLambo on the forum unfortunately. At least Rambo was actually capable of helping folks out when he wasn't concentrating on being a troll.
Is there anything more snowflake than someone contributing with the sole intention of provoking a reaction then playing the victim when the inevitable negative responses occur. That is the millennial mentality for ya folks.
Is there anything more snowflake than someone contributing with the sole intention of provoking a reaction then playing the victim when the inevitable negative responses occur. That is the millennial mentality for ya folks.
Jonno02 said:
Just sounds like someone trying to convince himself repeatedly that the Civic was the right choice.
I had a slight fright after driving an M140i if I’m honest, I did end up feeling better about my choice after I took a bend at speed, the steering was shocking compared to my C****, don’t want to offend anyone so I censored the car.Alpinestars said:
Porsche911R said:
The CS and css have the stronger engine, they can take 600bhp with No internals.
The gti and pp have the cheaper engine and smaller turbo unit.
The tweaks on the css are very small from the 40th Ed club sport
Hence the css is only a few 10th faster but more to do with standard cup 2’’s and the lack of rear seats, it also has.
Machines front hubs
TT wheel front bearings
Front alloy sub frame
Stiffer rear arb
different back box
The cheap non sided disks !
Not getting into values because it,s not a Porsche RS thread !
And yes a css is always a css but it’s based on the CS, not a gti.
Even the CS rear hatch is different to the gti so stops people fitting CS spoilers to their cars.
You cannot make a gti pp into a CS but you can make the cs into a css for very little outlay, but to me the main point in these cars is having a 3 door with a manual box with the recaro buckets and how the sus is so good when on it.
If you need rear seats the CS is not the poor mans choice, it's still a big step up from the gti pp cars to drive but £10k cheaper.
The tcr newer car is dsg only which is a shame.
I am swapping my car for a css, but only because it’s done 28k miles and has a value for an org none Tuned car. I would tune it other wise, but decided to get a low miles css and tune that.
I’ve never read anything re the engine upgrades, other than it’s a “tweaked” EA888 engine, and that most of the additional power comes from an exhaust. The gti and pp have the cheaper engine and smaller turbo unit.
The tweaks on the css are very small from the 40th Ed club sport
Hence the css is only a few 10th faster but more to do with standard cup 2’’s and the lack of rear seats, it also has.
Machines front hubs
TT wheel front bearings
Front alloy sub frame
Stiffer rear arb
different back box
The cheap non sided disks !
Not getting into values because it,s not a Porsche RS thread !
And yes a css is always a css but it’s based on the CS, not a gti.
Even the CS rear hatch is different to the gti so stops people fitting CS spoilers to their cars.
You cannot make a gti pp into a CS but you can make the cs into a css for very little outlay, but to me the main point in these cars is having a 3 door with a manual box with the recaro buckets and how the sus is so good when on it.
If you need rear seats the CS is not the poor mans choice, it's still a big step up from the gti pp cars to drive but £10k cheaper.
The tcr newer car is dsg only which is a shame.
I am swapping my car for a css, but only because it’s done 28k miles and has a value for an org none Tuned car. I would tune it other wise, but decided to get a low miles css and tune that.
CSS the only trick model hence why residuals are so high and the lw front subframe being the highlight of its trick features. CS a customer could choose certain items off the CSS but not the lw sub frame so the CS just a run of the mill GTI with a few choice components like brakes, seats, alcantara steering wheel, (if you wish) nicked from the CSS.
Having driven all of them extensively and researched properly before buying via VW i.e. 2016 CSS, CS and GTI PP the CS is just a GTI with a bigger turbo and stiffer suspension which ruins the ride.
The CSS is a hatchback version of a GT3 in fact the guy that ran the project was previously responsible for GT3 at Porsche.
The CS is more marketing over substance. If you think VW are going to have different internals for 50bhp you're mistaken and in reality the difference is far less as the GTI is underquoted power by VW. In reality GTI has circa 260-270bhp depending on if PP or normal GTI. This is why CS will be £10k in the next few years when Mk 8 is released but CSS will always retain its value (if you don't drive the thing!).
Hope this helps
https://www.donaldsonsvw.com/clp-2017-volkswagen-g...
IMI A said:
Alpinestars said:
Porsche911R said:
The CS and css have the stronger engine, they can take 600bhp with No internals.
The gti and pp have the cheaper engine and smaller turbo unit.
The tweaks on the css are very small from the 40th Ed club sport
Hence the css is only a few 10th faster but more to do with standard cup 2’’s and the lack of rear seats, it also has.
Machines front hubs
TT wheel front bearings
Front alloy sub frame
Stiffer rear arb
different back box
The cheap non sided disks !
Not getting into values because it,s not a Porsche RS thread !
And yes a css is always a css but it’s based on the CS, not a gti.
Even the CS rear hatch is different to the gti so stops people fitting CS spoilers to their cars.
You cannot make a gti pp into a CS but you can make the cs into a css for very little outlay, but to me the main point in these cars is having a 3 door with a manual box with the recaro buckets and how the sus is so good when on it.
If you need rear seats the CS is not the poor mans choice, it's still a big step up from the gti pp cars to drive but £10k cheaper.
The tcr newer car is dsg only which is a shame.
I am swapping my car for a css, but only because it’s done 28k miles and has a value for an org none Tuned car. I would tune it other wise, but decided to get a low miles css and tune that.
I’ve never read anything re the engine upgrades, other than it’s a “tweaked” EA888 engine, and that most of the additional power comes from an exhaust. The gti and pp have the cheaper engine and smaller turbo unit.
The tweaks on the css are very small from the 40th Ed club sport
Hence the css is only a few 10th faster but more to do with standard cup 2’’s and the lack of rear seats, it also has.
Machines front hubs
TT wheel front bearings
Front alloy sub frame
Stiffer rear arb
different back box
The cheap non sided disks !
Not getting into values because it,s not a Porsche RS thread !
And yes a css is always a css but it’s based on the CS, not a gti.
Even the CS rear hatch is different to the gti so stops people fitting CS spoilers to their cars.
You cannot make a gti pp into a CS but you can make the cs into a css for very little outlay, but to me the main point in these cars is having a 3 door with a manual box with the recaro buckets and how the sus is so good when on it.
If you need rear seats the CS is not the poor mans choice, it's still a big step up from the gti pp cars to drive but £10k cheaper.
The tcr newer car is dsg only which is a shame.
I am swapping my car for a css, but only because it’s done 28k miles and has a value for an org none Tuned car. I would tune it other wise, but decided to get a low miles css and tune that.
CSS the only trick model hence why residuals are so high and the lw front subframe being the highlight of its trick features. CS a customer could choose certain items off the CSS but not the lw sub frame so the CS just a run of the mill GTI with a few choice components like brakes, seats, alcantara steering wheel, (if you wish) nicked from the CSS.
Having driven all of them extensively and researched properly before buying via VW i.e. 2016 CSS, CS and GTI PP the CS is just a GTI with a bigger turbo and stiffer suspension which ruins the ride.
The CSS is a hatchback version of a GT3 in fact the guy that ran the project was previously responsible for GT3 at Porsche.
The CS is more marketing over substance. If you think VW are going to have different internals for 50bhp you're mistaken and in reality the difference is far less as the GTI is underquoted power by VW. In reality GTI has circa 260-270bhp depending on if PP or normal GTI. This is why CS will be £10k in the next few years when Mk 8 is released but CSS will always retain its value (if you don't drive the thing!).
Hope this helps
https://www.donaldsonsvw.com/clp-2017-volkswagen-g...
Not heard anything about the engine being different across the MK7's - EA888 all round
IS20 turbo on the lower end GTI's - then IS38 on the R, CS & CSS
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