RE: VW Golf GTI Clubsport S | Spotted

[thelostboy]

Leins said:

WCZ said:

mstrbkr said:

Interesting that the rarity of the air con delete is being spun into a positive by the seller (5 cars out of 150). The overwhelming majority being built with air con is quite telling. Rare is not always better.

I'd look it as a positive tbh

I wanted an e46 csl without aircon as I didn't the see the point in paying such a premium for -100kg then putting 15% of expensive weight savings back in. couldn't find a single one for sale though

I would view the lack of aircon in a CSL slightly differently, as the whole point of the car was to ensure practicality wasn't overly affected. I did a number of road trips in mine during the summers, sometimes three up with luggage. It was nice to have aircon, Xenons and a stereo. Admittedly I don't track my cars though

But as a collector car, I would say a no-option car very much preferable being as the engineers intended. And, thanks to snowflakes like you (I jest...), zero option cars are also far rarer, as with the case of this Golf.

I also tried and failed to find a non-air con CSL. Found one without xenons and parking sensors, but that's it.

[vpr]

Chestrockwell said:

The Civic is the only honest hot hatch here and it’s also the best, before anyone tells me about the Ring’ time, I read that the lack of rear seats was to offset the weight of the roll cage. Honda came, built a car to the best of their ability and put it on sale. The rest build cars, hold them back and release more versions and price them higher. It’s fine as they’re a business you can’t deny the greatness and honesty.

Sorry, I’m slightly biased.

Thank you and goodbye

There is no doubt that the Civic might well be Stevie Wonders choice. What a shocking looking thing that is

[vpr]

I bought one new and still have it. I also have a collection of some pretty hairy cars but this Golf CSS is making my other cars almost redundant. I jump in the golf at every opportunity, it is seriously quick though normal roads and would be surprised if much could keep up.

I’ve also had it on track where it demolished M2’s and A45 AMG’s to name a couple. It’s a seriously capable all rounder and 2nd place in COTY for very good reason. It’ll hold its place in history as one of the greats.

The only things it lacked for me were the cage and harnesses, easily sorted.

[Chestrockwell]

I know it’s a Golf thread but it is about a Golf that claimed the Ring time so I thought it would be worth mentioning the Civic as it has rear seats, air con and everything you need while being faster.

On the topic of ring times, someone I know’s son just ordered an M2 Comp, I looked at my Civic and thought, I wonder what’s faster around the ring, I googled it and the BMW is 9 seconds slower at 7.52! How?

Back to the Civic, I can’t get over the fact that everyone on PH thinks it’s ugly, I get nothing but positive attention in mine, many people in petrol stations asking me about it, sometimes even old ladies asking how fast it goes (probably because they have a Jazz and they’ve seen a Type R in the showroom )

I know this is the internet and you don’t have to believe me but a Ferrari California T driver gave me the thumbs up on the A3 once.

Every car has fake vents and what not but the wing, bonnet scoop and vents on the wing are functional.

[m88ony]

Chestrockwell said:

I know it’s a Golf thread but it is about a Golf that claimed the Ring time so I thought it would be worth mentioning the Civic as it has rear seats, air con and everything you need while being faster.

On the topic of ring times, someone I know’s son just ordered an M2 Comp, I looked at my Civic and thought, I wonder what’s faster around the ring, I googled it and the BMW is 9 seconds slower at 7.52! How?

Back to the Civic, I can’t get over the fact that everyone on PH thinks it’s ugly, I get nothing but positive attention in mine, many people in petrol stations asking me about it, sometimes even old ladies asking how fast it goes (probably because they have a Jazz and they’ve seen a Type R in the showroom )

I know this is the internet and you don’t have to believe me but a Ferrari California T driver gave me the thumbs up on the A3 once.

Every car has fake vents and what not but the wing, bonnet scoop and vents on the wing are functional.

I agree that the CTR isn’t ugly but I don’t think the ring time set by the CTR is the same road version. Wasn’t there a roll cage or stuff removed on the actual car that set the ring record time?

I think it’s great to have multiple brands creating exciting hot hatches. A hot hatch for every taste.

The CSS is a phenomenal car. Like I have said before I have yet to read a bad review about it. Drive one and you will be amazed by the fun had whilst also covering ground at great speed.

[Leins]

thelostboy said:

Leins said:

WCZ said:

mstrbkr said:

Interesting that the rarity of the air con delete is being spun into a positive by the seller (5 cars out of 150). The overwhelming majority being built with air con is quite telling. Rare is not always better.

I'd look it as a positive tbh

I wanted an e46 csl without aircon as I didn't the see the point in paying such a premium for -100kg then putting 15% of expensive weight savings back in. couldn't find a single one for sale though

I would view the lack of aircon in a CSL slightly differently, as the whole point of the car was to ensure practicality wasn't overly affected. I did a number of road trips in mine during the summers, sometimes three up with luggage. It was nice to have aircon, Xenons and a stereo. Admittedly I don't track my cars though

But as a collector car, I would say a no-option car very much preferable being as the engineers intended. And, thanks to snowflakes like you (I jest...), zero option cars are also far rarer, as with the case of this Golf.

I also tried and failed to find a non-air con CSL. Found one without xenons and parking sensors, but that's it.

Perhaps as a collectors car, but that wasn't really the market I bought into when I got mine. I know a couple of the dealers tried this "no options" angle more recently when trying to push the market upwards, but that seemed to happen just as CSL prices peaked circa 2016

On the flip side, I wish my MINI GP actually came with fewer options ala R26-R. I'd happily do without aircon, leather, stereo, etc. in that, and I can see the same thing for this Golf

[vpr]

Chestrockwell said:

I know it’s a Golf thread but it is about a Golf that claimed the Ring time so I thought it would be worth mentioning the Civic as it has rear seats, air con and everything you need while being faster.

On the topic of ring times, someone I know’s son just ordered an M2 Comp, I looked at my Civic and thought, I wonder what’s faster around the ring, I googled it and the BMW is 9 seconds slower at 7.52! How?

Back to the Civic, I can’t get over the fact that everyone on PH thinks it’s ugly, I get nothing but positive attention in mine, many people in petrol stations asking me about it, sometimes even old ladies asking how fast it goes (probably because they have a Jazz and they’ve seen a Type R in the showroom )

I know this is the internet and you don’t have to believe me but a Ferrari California T driver gave me the thumbs up on the A3 once.

Every car has fake vents and what not but the wing, bonnet scoop and vents on the wing are functional.

The Golf had AC as a no cost option which 98% of people took up. A rear seat is available but remember these cars were all sold well before they arrived so not really an issue.

As for the California driver giving you the thumbs up, perhaps no coincidence that I reckon the CA Must have been designed by the very same bloke as the Civic. A vile looking mismatch of lines. Horrific

[Court_S]

Chestrockwell said:

I know it’s a Golf thread but it is about a Golf that claimed the Ring time so I thought it would be worth mentioning the Civic as it has rear seats, air con and everything you need while being faster.

On the topic of ring times, someone I know’s son just ordered an M2 Comp, I looked at my Civic and thought, I wonder what’s faster around the ring, I googled it and the BMW is 9 seconds slower at 7.52! How?

Back to the Civic, I can’t get over the fact that everyone on PH thinks it’s ugly, I get nothing but positive attention in mine, many people in petrol stations asking me about it, sometimes even old ladies asking how fast it goes (probably because they have a Jazz and they’ve seen a Type R in the showroom )

I know this is the internet and you don’t have to believe me but a Ferrari California T driver gave me the thumbs up on the A3 once.

Every car has fake vents and what not but the wing, bonnet scoop and vents on the wing are functional.

I appreciate that you’re very passionate about your car but do ring times bare and resemblance to real world driving or ownership? I genuinely couldn’t give two fs how fast or slow my car is around the ring. As long as I like it, it puts a smile on my face and it fulfils my needs then it’s happy days.

Who cares if the CTR was quicker around the ring than the M2 (I assume none Competition which is supposed to resolve some of the shortcomings in its handling).

[Porsche911R]

Court_S said:

I appreciate that you’re very passionate about your car but do ring times bare and resemblance to real world driving or ownership? I genuinely couldn’t give two fs how fast or slow my car is around the ring. As long as I like it, it puts a smile on my face and it fulfils my needs then it’s happy days.

Who cares if the CTR was quicker around the ring than the M2 (I assume none Competition which is supposed to resolve some of the shortcomings in its handling).

Quite simple, the m2 comp does not have cups 2 standard.
Like for like tyres all these cars are about the same given it’s such a massive track.

[Chestrockwell]

Court_S said:

I appreciate that you’re very passionate about your car but do ring times bare and resemblance to real world driving or ownership? I genuinely couldn’t give two fs how fast or slow my car is around the ring. As long as I like it, it puts a smile on my face and it fulfils my needs then it’s happy days.

Who cares if the CTR was quicker around the ring than the M2 (I assume none Competition which is supposed to resolve some of the shortcomings in its handling).

I didn’t care about ring times that much until I bought a car that held the record. It’s my first ever proper up to date performance car so I like the fact it’s a very fast car on track and faster than cars a lot more expensive. It’s a laugh, life doesn’t have to be serious. There is a game called top trumps and people compare cars top speeds and 0-60 times. Why is the ring time insignificant! I paid 25k for my car, I’m going to milk every single one of its strengths.

I take comfort in the fact that my car will run rings around this 911 C2

[Ahbefive]

Porsche911R said:

Court_S said:

I appreciate that you’re very passionate about your car but do ring times bare and resemblance to real world driving or ownership? I genuinely couldn’t give two fs how fast or slow my car is around the ring. As long as I like it, it puts a smile on my face and it fulfils my needs then it’s happy days.

Who cares if the CTR was quicker around the ring than the M2 (I assume none Competition which is supposed to resolve some of the shortcomings in its handling).

Quite simple, the m2 comp does not have cups 2 standard.
Like for like tyres all these cars are about the same given it’s such a massive track.

They weren't even just Cup 2s but a special compound. Car also had a roll cage that even if "floating" still affects rigidity and there were rumours of it even having a power boost. It was not a production car at all.

Also 'Ring times really are totally pointless, the fastest car around the 'Ring is the one driven by the driver that knows the track best. Even getting a 9min lap is unlikely in any car if you don't know where you are going.

[vpr]

Ahbefive said:

They weren't even just Cup 2s but a special compound. Car also had a roll cage that even if "floating" still affects rigidity and there were rumours of it even having a power boost. It was not a production car at all.
.

Can’t imagine the cage does anything for rigidity, it loosely ties to the isofix points and a plate that bolts to the seat base which would flex and twist in itself.

[Ahbefive]

vpr said:

Can’t imagine the cage does anything for rigidity, it loosely ties to the isofix points and a plate that bolts to the seat base which would flex and twist in itself.

Floating cages still improve rigidity by accounts of various people from automotive background on here. I doubt very much that it is attached to isofix points at all, I've not seen a cage fixed like that.

[Porsche911R]

Ahbefive said:

They weren't even just Cup 2s but a special compound. Car also had a roll cage that even if "floating" still affects rigidity and there were rumours of it even having a power boost. It was not a production car at all.

Also 'Ring times really are totally pointless, the fastest car around the 'Ring is the one driven by the driver that knows the track best. Even getting a 9min lap is unlikely in any car if you don't know where you are going.

I think the drivers getting the records know the track ok :-)

[vpr]

Ahbefive said:

vpr said:

Can’t imagine the cage does anything for rigidity, it loosely ties to the isofix points and a plate that bolts to the seat base which would flex and twist in itself.

Floating cages still improve rigidity by accounts of various people from automotive background on here. I doubt very much that it is attached to isofix points at all, I've not seen a cage fixed like that.

It is attached to the isofix points.

It was a Wiechers-Sport cage.

[Court_S]

Chestrockwell said:

I didn’t care about ring times that much until I bought a car that held the record. It’s my first ever proper up to date performance car so I like the fact it’s a very fast car on track and faster than cars a lot more expensive. It’s a laugh, life doesn’t have to be serious. There is a game called top trumps and people compare cars top speeds and 0-60 times. Why is the ring time insignificant! I paid 25k for my car, I’m going to milk every single one of its strengths.

I take comfort in the fact that my car will run rings around this 911 C2

What happens when the record is taken by someone else though? Stuff like 0-62 is pretty meaningless, 50-70 etc is a much better indicator. Looks at the new M135, on paper it’s only 0.2 seconds slower than an M140 but in a comparison video, the M140 left the new car for dead in a rolling race.

As I said, I get that you’re pleased with your car but I’d rather the 911 no matter how much slower it is around the ring. It’ll sound loads better for starters.

[SidewaysSi]

Chestrockwell said:

Court_S said:

I appreciate that you’re very passionate about your car but do ring times bare and resemblance to real world driving or ownership? I genuinely couldn’t give two fs how fast or slow my car is around the ring. As long as I like it, it puts a smile on my face and it fulfils my needs then it’s happy days.

Who cares if the CTR was quicker around the ring than the M2 (I assume none Competition which is supposed to resolve some of the shortcomings in its handling).

I didn’t care about ring times that much until I bought a car that held the record. It’s my first ever proper up to date performance car so I like the fact it’s a very fast car on track and faster than cars a lot more expensive. It’s a laugh, life doesn’t have to be serious. There is a game called top trumps and people compare cars top speeds and 0-60 times. Why is the ring time insignificant! I paid 25k for my car, I’m going to milk every single one of its strengths.

I take comfort in the fact that my car will run rings around this 911 C2

I have driven both extensively. The 911 whips the Civic.

[nickfrog]

Chestrockwell said:

I didn’t care about ring times that much until I bought a car that held the record. It’s my first ever proper up to date performance car so I like the fact it’s a very fast car on track and faster than cars a lot more expensive. It’s a laugh, life doesn’t have to be serious. There is a game called top trumps and people compare cars top speeds and 0-60 times. Why is the ring time insignificant! I paid 25k for my car, I’m going to milk every single one of its strengths.

How could you do that when by your own admission, you've never been anywhere near a track day as you can't afford the tyres? Which also means you don't have the faintest idea, skilset or experience to explore more than 50% of your car's track performance, ie lat grip, traction and braking? Which is a far less than many track billes with much lesser cars who would make you look very silly on track. Sounds very much like the perfect “all the gear, no idea".

[nickfrog]

Chestrockwell said:

I take comfort in the fact that my car will run rings around this 911 C2

Not in your hands though, even if it did, which makes your posturing look very childish, at best.

Edited by nickfrog on Monday 19th August 19:46

[Ahbefive]

Porsche911R said:

I think the drivers getting the records know the track ok :-)

Indeed they do but the CTR driver spouting about 'Ring times yet has never even driven on a track would be unlikely to beat any reasonably experienced driver in a car with half the power.