Is this the biggest Classic Auction blunder ever?

Is this the biggest Classic Auction blunder ever?

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PS2018

323 posts

74 months

Tuesday 20th August 2019
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i agree, it was the 500k increments that made it 'obvious' he was talking in the teens but RM have got so many members of staff in that room, he is their colleague and they know how he pronounces words - how did it even get past the opening 13/30 mistake, or at the most the 13.5/30.5 mistake, before one of them flagged it and brought it to his attention? there are 3 massive screens in there! and it kept on and on like this, for minutes, all the way up to 70, which is what makes one wonder did they deliberately stay quiet in the hope that it would catch a genuine eg 35m or 40m bid in amongst that nonsense...
lets see if he is on duty at the next RM sale!

Lowtimer

4,286 posts

169 months

Tuesday 20th August 2019
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W11PEL said:
This is a disaster. The seller must be seething.

That aside I think he is insane posting a 20m reserve. I’d have run a mile with 17m. He’s had it 40 years. So we can assume paid a fraction of that amount.
As Ed Callow pointed out:
"The *only* reason that the Type 64 didn't sell is because the owner wants too much money."

RDMcG

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19,184 posts

208 months

Tuesday 20th August 2019
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PS2018 said:
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lets see if he is on duty at the next RM sale!
About as likely as Jeremy Clarkson hosting University Challenge.

Sandpit Steve

10,097 posts

75 months

Wednesday 21st August 2019
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RDMcG said:
That is confusing...the video shows the car as sold , but Bloomberg reports it was still listed as "for sale" after the auction..

Not sure if it sold or not.
It failed to make reserve, which was apparently $20m.

The clue is the auctioneer’s use of the word “passed”, just after he (finally) drops the gavel - that’s action-speak for a failure to sell.

What an almighty f-up in communication between the auctioneer and the screen operator though.

PS2018

323 posts

74 months

Wednesday 21st August 2019
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i agree but although he said passed, in theory a post auction deal could have been struck with one of the interested highest bidders (if they were real) but i think RM would be crowing about the car having sold if that were the case. looks like the whole confidence in the process was sucked out of the room after that debacle hence it stalled upon the realisation of the 70m/17m mistake when they finally corrected it.

williamp

19,264 posts

274 months

Wednesday 21st August 2019
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Give it 6 months, another auction house will have it listed as "once bid up to $70 million...." with a $15m reserve. Bargain for those with short memory.


anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 21st August 2019
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Is it beyond the capability of an auctioneer to say "seventeen million, one seven million" ?

No ambiguity then

PS2018

323 posts

74 months

Wednesday 21st August 2019
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Yes! That’s a simple solution that would have avoided this calamity!

RDMcG

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19,184 posts

208 months

Wednesday 21st August 2019
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I had actually bid 70 million Reichsmarks which might have caused the confusion.

BrabusMog

20,180 posts

187 months

Wednesday 21st August 2019
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PS2018 said:
Yes! That’s a simple solution that would have avoided this calamity!
As I said on the previous page:

BrabusMog said:
This wouldn't have happened at a Mecum auction, the auctioneer would have been saying "Seventeen-teen-teen" etc etc. No ambiguity there!

Mikebentley

6,121 posts

141 months

PS2018

323 posts

74 months

Thursday 22nd August 2019
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@brabusmog you are right but those Mecum and eg Barrett Jackson auctioneers speak so fast don’t they?! I can’t always understand them! I’d be looking at the screens in any case!

RDMcG

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19,184 posts

208 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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Here is an excellent analysis of what happened and the future of the car:


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-22...

PS2018

323 posts

74 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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that is a great article there @RDMcG Hannah Elliot is a really good writer (and off topic but i think is the partner of Magnus Walker)
fascinating to hear this car had been hawked around for years, months and even days before the sale, nobody wanted to touch it, including Porsche themselves of course, then despite the media circus show they put the lot right at the end of a 2 day auction!
sounds like the auctioneer really did chandelier bid it all the way up, not one of the bids was actually real!
"At no other point during the two-day sale did Maarten ten Holder appear to have been misheard, however".....
'since it was known among insiders that there was no bid to be had, ten Holder either attempted a sort of tongue-in-cheek comic relief that went wrong or deliberately under-pronounced words in order to somehow jump-start live bidding'


Robmarriott

2,641 posts

159 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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keirik said:
Is it beyond the capability of an auctioneer to say "seventeen million, one seven million" ?

No ambiguity then
Might as well go full bingo caller and say 'Dancing Queen, 17' rolleyes

The 500k intervals should have been enough for the person handling the screen.

V10leptoquark

5,180 posts

218 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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Going once, .... going twice, ...... going once,...... ?

WTF


PS2018

323 posts

74 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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indeed! i bet some other sellers wished he had tried equally hard with their car!

tobinen

9,235 posts

146 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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In my naivety I hadn't realised 'ghost' bids were legal. I know it said buyers and sellers are aware, but that seems a sharp practice in this day and age

PS2018

323 posts

74 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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i didnt know that either - im quite shocked.

sellers being made aware of it by auction house: 'so you might ghost non existent bids up to help get some momentum and my car get a higher price?! thats allowed?! sure! go for it!'

buyers being made aware: 'so i might be bidding against entirely fictional buyers until your reserve is met? errrr yes that's fine by me....'

i must be naive too - did every buyer at an auction know this? or is it buried in the small print when you register as a buyer? its enough to put me off ever buying at auction!

CS Garth

2,860 posts

106 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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Auctions are the biggest legal scam going - the broader industry relies on a veneer of old money whilst behind the scenes there is more wheeler dealering than Mike Brewer on speed, all fronted by some sociopathic limelight lover.