RE: Ford Focus ST Estate diesel | Driven
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In a subtle colour this is the right car for some - those who cover very large motorway miles and still want something slightly interesting - this is what diesels are suited too, but sadly all too many were sold to those who didn't really need a diesel with government encouragement for many years...( manufactures didn't help - just look at the existence of car like the Smart Diesel or Fiat 500 Diesel !!!! )
The only problem I have with the more desirable Fords of late (basically the best versions of the Fiesta and Focus) is that crazy iPad style screen seemingly stuck onto the dash - it just looks totally out of proportion, distracting and reflective and I am convinced it is a fashion which we will move on soon hopefully. Much prefer the non-touch screen on BMW's iDrive (which can also be turned off easily)
It's the same on the MX5 ND... I otherwise think this is one of the best cars on the market in so many ways.... but that central screen! The base model non-satnav versions have a much neater screen but you can't have that on any of the 2.0 litre ones or the RF... sorry now off-topic.
The only problem I have with the more desirable Fords of late (basically the best versions of the Fiesta and Focus) is that crazy iPad style screen seemingly stuck onto the dash - it just looks totally out of proportion, distracting and reflective and I am convinced it is a fashion which we will move on soon hopefully. Much prefer the non-touch screen on BMW's iDrive (which can also be turned off easily)
It's the same on the MX5 ND... I otherwise think this is one of the best cars on the market in so many ways.... but that central screen! The base model non-satnav versions have a much neater screen but you can't have that on any of the 2.0 litre ones or the RF... sorry now off-topic.
ahenners said:
NewUsername said:
Yes you're right, the Fords will all sell at list price and they aren't tuneable , only vag engines are tuneable ............. lolololol
Is there a whoosh needed? Current broker discount on the Focus ST estate diesel... £1.5k = £29k. Whereas you can buy the VRS estate with an autobox and 4wd for £24k.
Cobnapint said:
marcom44 said:
My mate is looking at this as a company car. Tax reasons yet follow a 3-4 year diesel that slightly out of tune and under acceleration u get clouds of black smoke........ yes they are cheaper to run as a company car but are diesels really the right way to go I think not.
Black smoke out of a 3-4 year old diesel - I think not. A 2003/4 model yes, but not a 2015 on.Slightly out of tune....? They're so packed full of electronics these days they tune themselves.
Not long bought a 6 year old VRS diesel estate. An early version of the still current generation. I love the thing. Just driven it back to Czech on holiday, returning to Scotland in another week. Didn’t get below 50mpg despite my best efforts on the Autobahn keeping up with the locals. Did 65mpg on a gentle 80 miles over to Prague today.
My Czech wife (came free with the last Octavia) likes the look of the Skoda’s and that meant I could get away with our car being a VRS since the suspension is just comfortable enough not be ruled out.
The engine is so much better than the PD engine we had before. Smooth, quiet and much keener to be revved. Despite a smoother bottom end. Really lovely, yet a bit of fun, relatively speaking.
I’ve an M3 as a plaything so didn’t much mind not to have a petrol VRS when I was looking. Seemed a good idea to leave more space between the cars. The petrol was strongly considered as its a great engine i think. The manifold cooling helping it get impressive economy potential for its output. But the mpg game is best played in the diesel.
Anyway the deciding factor was when searching and finding 100 tdi cars vs. 2 tfsi’s advertised as typical ratio of the engine types. So unsurprisingly a good tdi example was way easier to find. And it’s just nice to have something a bit fun but sensible to offset the V8 in the M3.
A lot of car for £30 a year tax. Of course if I don’t get it from my wife often enough to keep the DPF clean then it’ll largely offset the fuel economy benefit!
My Czech wife (came free with the last Octavia) likes the look of the Skoda’s and that meant I could get away with our car being a VRS since the suspension is just comfortable enough not be ruled out.
The engine is so much better than the PD engine we had before. Smooth, quiet and much keener to be revved. Despite a smoother bottom end. Really lovely, yet a bit of fun, relatively speaking.
I’ve an M3 as a plaything so didn’t much mind not to have a petrol VRS when I was looking. Seemed a good idea to leave more space between the cars. The petrol was strongly considered as its a great engine i think. The manifold cooling helping it get impressive economy potential for its output. But the mpg game is best played in the diesel.
Anyway the deciding factor was when searching and finding 100 tdi cars vs. 2 tfsi’s advertised as typical ratio of the engine types. So unsurprisingly a good tdi example was way easier to find. And it’s just nice to have something a bit fun but sensible to offset the V8 in the M3.
A lot of car for £30 a year tax. Of course if I don’t get it from my wife often enough to keep the DPF clean then it’ll largely offset the fuel economy benefit!
Birky_41 said:
Quite a few still want diesel including me. Boot an electric car and you'll see both poor economy and a motor that overheats and restricts power
Latest E6D diesels are very efficient. I recently bought a new 'diesel' 4x4 for my wife and is been great
Latest E6D diesels are very efficient. I recently bought a new 'diesel' 4x4 for my wife and is been great
i do a shedload of fishing trip miles every year, regularly do around 500 miles door to door without stopping for fuel. i run older cars as they get a pounding up and down rough tracks but the extra cost of doing this with a petrol over a diesel would be significant. i like to do the main runs early morning or late night to avoid traffic so it's nice to be able to make progress without watching the fuel gauge drop like a stone. the same trips on the odd occasion i use my wife's (petrol) car usually need a fuel stop.not always straightforward in rural scotland at 3 am on a sunday morning.
edwheels said:
In a subtle colour this is the right car for some - those who cover very large motorway miles and still want something slightly interesting - this is what diesels are suited too, but sadly all too many were sold to those who didn't really need a diesel with government encouragement for many years...( manufactures didn't help - just look at the existence of car like the Smart Diesel or Fiat 500 Diesel !!!! )
The only problem I have with the more desirable Fords of late (basically the best versions of the Fiesta and Focus) is that crazy iPad style screen seemingly stuck onto the dash - it just looks totally out of proportion, distracting and reflective and I am convinced it is a fashion which we will move on soon hopefully. Much prefer the non-touch screen on BMW's iDrive (which can also be turned off easily)
It's the same on the MX5 ND... I otherwise think this is one of the best cars on the market in so many ways.... but that central screen! The base model non-satnav versions have a much neater screen but you can't have that on any of the 2.0 litre ones or the RF... sorry now off-topic.
Disagree. Nothing wrong with a small diesel powered car if you are doing enough miles to get it hot now and then. The small fiats with the 1.3 multijet achieved unbelievable fuel economy and a much better drive than the wheezy 1.1/1.2 NA petrols. The only problem I have with the more desirable Fords of late (basically the best versions of the Fiesta and Focus) is that crazy iPad style screen seemingly stuck onto the dash - it just looks totally out of proportion, distracting and reflective and I am convinced it is a fashion which we will move on soon hopefully. Much prefer the non-touch screen on BMW's iDrive (which can also be turned off easily)
It's the same on the MX5 ND... I otherwise think this is one of the best cars on the market in so many ways.... but that central screen! The base model non-satnav versions have a much neater screen but you can't have that on any of the 2.0 litre ones or the RF... sorry now off-topic.
edwheels said:
The only problem I have with the more desirable Fords of late (basically the best versions of the Fiesta and Focus) is that crazy iPad style screen seemingly stuck onto the dash - it just looks totally out of proportion, distracting and reflective and I am convinced it is a fashion which we will move on soon hopefully. Much prefer the non-touch screen on BMW's iDrive (which can also be turned off easily)
I thought exactly the same when the new fester came out, but the missus now has a fester Active X and tbh, you soon get used to it and it works great.
I can’t unsee it now!! NewUsername said:
Not really, it’s alreDy available for £26.5 k from brokers and standard kit good. The VRS is a generation older and feels it inside, also about to be replaced so prices are rock bottom. I was just chuckling about how the post I was replying to was saying you could make the performance difference up with a tune, you could just tune the Ford the same...compare apples with apples, and nobody in their right mind pays list on a run of the mill Ford ever, unless they’re retarded
I have a vRS and don’t think the interior feels out of date, certainly not compared to anything produced by Ford.Nobody seems to pay list for any new car, pretty much all mainstream list prices are works of fiction.
Birky_41 said:
Quite a few still want diesel including me. Boot an electric car and you'll see both poor economy and a motor that overheats and restricts power
Latest E6D diesels are very efficient. I recently bought a new 'diesel' 4x4 for my wife and is been great
I think any car you ‘boot’ results in poor economy, certainly does in my diesel SQ5.Latest E6D diesels are very efficient. I recently bought a new 'diesel' 4x4 for my wife and is been great
Not sure latest battery tech cuts power either...
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-performanc...
I think this would be very nice to drive and would make very good and satisfying progress as it’s a diesel with a manual box. Tell me I’m weird but I enjoy thrashing small diesel cars, more so than petrol as you don’t need to rev them out and you’re constantly shifting.
I wonder if the Petrol ST doesn’t have the central exit exhausts anymore. I imagine Ford moved the exhausts to get more customers who want to tow.
I wonder if the Petrol ST doesn’t have the central exit exhausts anymore. I imagine Ford moved the exhausts to get more customers who want to tow.
Chestrockwell said:
I think this would be very nice to drive and would make very good and satisfying progress as it’s a diesel with a manual box. Tell me I’m weird but I enjoy thrashing small diesel cars, more so than petrol as you don’t need to rev them out and you’re constantly shifting.
I wonder if the Petrol ST doesn’t have the central exit exhausts anymore. I imagine Ford moved the exhausts to get more customers who want to tow.
A friend had the previous generation ST estate and said the central exhausts were a bit of a pain. He reckons he caught his legs on a hot exhaust a few times getting bikes in and out of the boot. I wonder if the Petrol ST doesn’t have the central exit exhausts anymore. I imagine Ford moved the exhausts to get more customers who want to tow.
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