RE: Porsche showcases all-new Taycan interior

[Paddy78]

SidewaysSi said:

Helicopter123 said:

Haters gonna hate “because Porsche” but the tech here is truly next gen.

A car from the future it seems.

Or they don't like this tech/future. Nothing wrong with that. I love Porsches but it needs to be the right Porsche for me and this very probably isn't it.

I may be accused of "living in the past" but plenty of used cars out there to serve me for the rest of my days so I don't really care.

Saying that, if anyone can convert me to the future, it's Porsche...

I'm not a fan of all the screens, but I'd have one in a heartbeat. Some clever person needs to make a retro pack for it which replaces all the screens for old school buttons, knobs and dials. Would be perfect!

[Porsche911R]

Helicopter123 said:

Haters gonna hate “because Porsche” but the tech here is truly next gen.

A car from the future it seems.

?

next gen !!

it's out of date before launch !!

the futures not electric cars !

[RacerMike]

Porsche911R said:

Helicopter123 said:

Haters gonna hate “because Porsche” but the tech here is truly next gen.

A car from the future it seems.

?

next gen !!

it's out of date before launch !!

the futures not electric cars !

What is the future? You better speak up as all the major manufacturers are going to have to change all their cycle plans if you’ve got some pearls of wisdom....

[Grantstown]

With 0% BIK, this will make a lot of sense as a company car on business lease for those that don’t have many long drives to complete.

I suspect many will also have a weekend toy.

[TartanPaint]

I'm in two minds about touchscreens, haptic or not.

On one hand, I love lots and lots of single-function buttons.

On the other hands, I cannot stand i-drive joystick type navigation.

So touchscreens will at least kill off i-drive eventually, even if I never get my lovely buttons again.

[Murphy16]

So it's illegal to look at a smartphone while driving, but not illegal to muck about with car touchscreens.

[Dave Hedgehog]

Porsche911R said:

the futures not electric cars !

someone better tell VW to stop spending the 80billion euro they are investing in EVs pretty quick

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/02/06/vw-ev-strategy...

[Dave Hedgehog]

Murphy16 said:

So it's illegal to look at a smartphone while driving, but not illegal to muck about with car touchscreens.

it is not illegal to look at a smart phone whilst driving, its illegal to make a call or anything that uses interactivity and data, i.e email / web surfing whilst hand holding it

however if you have already downloaded vinyl clad donkeys VI to your phone its OK to watch as long as your driving is up to standard

[dapprman]

spikyone said:

Quite. Drag the airflow around on a screen rather than move some vents that you can easily feel without looking - what could possibly go wrong there...?

Ah but it must be safe as the Tesla 3 has the same - BTW I also do not like it and the way more manufacturers seem to be doing this sort of thing or having touch screen (even if with haptic feedback) for basic controls - you need to take your eyes of the road to use them, where as buttons can be felt and their positions learnt.

[Rumblestripe]

Not really my kind of thing but the tech is interesting. I feel that surely touchscreen tech should be replaced with voice activation? The accuracy of the "Alexa" type device can surely be transferred into cars?

"Porsche, play David Bowie Space Oddity" "Porsche, set climate control to 22 degrees" etc. Seems screamingly obvious to me.

Oh and putting handwriting interface on the central console of UK cars is only going to be useful for left handers. (Or the ambidextrous, I spose)

[stavr0ss]

I must admit I’m beginning to fantasise about buttons and switches. Disabling traction control in my i3 involves a lot of idrive wheel twirling and looking at the screen to see the options, when all you want is a simple button, or an old school toggle switch

[sidesauce]

Limpet said:

It's vinyl vs CD all over again. CD measurably better in every way, plus smaller, quicker access, more durable etc. But vinyl plays to the emotions, and we are emotional creatures.

Very much disagree and that's a particularly bad analogy - the fact you even use recorded mediums as an example shows your age.

We humans will tend to take the path of least resistance over emotional satisfaction which is why kids today don't use physical media, vinyl/cassette/CD or otherwise, and simply stream music from their phones/computers. They don't miss the 'warmth' or 'emotion' of vinyl and even if given the chance to directly compare, the vast majority simply would not care. Why? Because physical mediums are inconvenient. My 21yo niece has never owned a CD and never will. My 11yo nephew would likely have trouble even knowing what a vinyl record player is/does!

Same thing happened with watches; the biggest watchmaker on earth was Seiko as they were successful in developing and mass-manufacturing quartz technology that outperformed every mechanical watch (and almost killed the Swiss industry in the process) only to be replaced in 2015 by the Apple Watch making Apple officially now the largest watch manufacturer on earth in the space of four years...

Yes, I know, mechanical watches are now aspirational objects but they are a luxury, functional piece of jewellery for the few, not a 'bread and butter' type thing for the day to day anymore and no high-end mechanical watch can compete with a 'smart' watches functionality or price point.

Cars are going exactly the same way and in a couple of generations people your age will simply look at ICE'd cars as a curio from a bygone age (just like how we look at steam trains now); yes, there will always be a small fringe of enthusiasts will still indulge in them, as they do with vinyl and watches, but the masses simply will not care. Cleaner, quieter (a MUCH bigger deal than people realise), more reliable with less moving parts, faster and, eventually, more range. Basically convenience and therefore the path of least resistance.

[gigglebug]

sidesauce said:

ery much disagree and that's a particularly bad analogy - the fact you even use recorded mediums as an example shows your age.

We humans will tend to take the path of least resistance over emotional satisfaction which is why kids today don't use physical media, vinyl/cassette/CD or otherwise, and simply stream music from their phones/computers. They don't miss the 'warmth' or 'emotion' of vinyl and even if given the chance to directly compare, the vast majority simply would not care. Why? Because physical mediums are inconvenient. My 21yo niece has never owned a CD and never will. My 11yo nephew would likely have trouble even knowing what a vinyl record player is/does!

Same thing happened with watches; the biggest watchmaker on earth was Seiko as they were successful in developing and mass-manufacturing quartz technology that outperformed every mechanical watch (and almost killed the Swiss industry in the process) only to be replaced in 2015 by the Apple Watch making Apple officially now the largest watch manufacturer on earth in the space of four years...

Yes, I know, mechanical watches are now aspirational objects but they are a luxury, functional piece of jewellery for the few, not a 'bread and butter' type thing for the day to day anymore and no high-end mechanical watch can compete with a 'smart' watches functionality or price point.

Cars are going exactly the same way and in a couple of generations people your age will simply look at ICE'd cars as a curio from a bygone age (just like how we look at steam trains now); yes, there will always be a small fringe of enthusiasts will still indulge in them, as they do with vinyl and watches, but the masses simply will not care. Cleaner, quieter (a MUCH bigger deal than people realise), more reliable with less moving parts, faster and, eventually, more range. Basically convenience and therefore the path of least resistance.

So you are saying that manufacturers definitely won't be taking into consideration the feelings a few angry folks on an enthusiasts website who insist that everyone should still want to hear an engine and change gears with a stick???? I don't believe it.

On the touchscreen debate I also find it slightly odd that there have been no safety implications of such systems regardless of any voice activation. I'm surprised that there hasn't been some form of textured shapes added to the screens for specific areas to help the hand identify where it is without the need to look, a bit like Lotus have done with their centre console in the EvIja.

[anonymous-user]

I love the old-fashioned wind-up alarm clock glued above the centre of the dash. It contrasts nicely with the digital screens and will remind the driver to put the car on charge even when its batteries are completely flat.

[cerb4.5lee]

sidesauce said:

Limpet said:

It's vinyl vs CD all over again. CD measurably better in every way, plus smaller, quicker access, more durable etc. But vinyl plays to the emotions, and we are emotional creatures.

Very much disagree and that's a particularly bad analogy - the fact you even use recorded mediums as an example shows your age.

I appreciate that it is an age thing but the noise of a nice V8 petrol engine is what got me interested in cars in the first place. I'd imagine that most young people today aren't that interested in cars(only the tech that they offer) so an Electric car will tick the box for them for sure.

I can't get excited about a car that doesn't make any noise so an Electric car has no interest for me. I can appreciate that they are quick(because I love fast cars) but they will be like a white good to me because I can't emotionally connect with them.

[Dave Hedgehog]

gigglebug said:

I'm surprised that there hasn't been some form of textured shapes added to the screens for specific areas to help the hand identify where it is without the need to look, a bit like Lotus have done with their centre console in the EvIja.

that would be helpful for the visually impaired as well

[Limpet]

sidesauce said:

ery much disagree and that's a particularly bad analogy - the fact you even use recorded mediums as an example shows your age.

I'm not sure what my age has to do with anything, but regardless, I think the analogy is valid.

CD was a step change in the technology of the day, in the same way the 300+ hp, 250+ mile range EV is today. Yes of course you can argue that recorded media is increasingly irrelevant today, but you could extrapolate the thought further into digital download vs pre-recorded media (i.e. CD to Apple Music or Spotify). The point being, each step is an improvement in every possible way you can think of, and any attachment to the older technology is based on emotion or nostalgia. Completely intangible, unquantifiable things that are deeply personal.

I use Apple Music and I use vinyl. I wouldn't want to give either up, but they are very different ways of doing the same thing - i.e. listening to music. The newer technology is more convenient, quicker, takes up no physical space, can be accessed instantly from anywhere, and any device with an internet connection, or carried with me on any device I choose with a simple mouse click or touch screen tap. Vinyl requires me to be at home, to draft through a physical library, unpack the media, place it on the turnable, manually select a track etc. And the media has to be protected from physical damage and dust, can be damaged by a badly set up or cheap player, inevitably wears out over time anyway. It's susceptible to physical damage, fire or theft in a way a cloud hosted digital file isn't etc etc. It's inferior in every way, yet I love it for reasons I can't even begin to rationally explain.

The same holds true for electric cars. With the possible exception of range (for now), they are better than IC in every way. Quieter, smoother, cleaner, make more useable power more of the time, respond instantly at all speeds, don't need servicing, don't need fluids checked and topped up etc etc. There is no logical argument for IC over EVs, apart from the fact that as enthusiasts we love the noise and the engineering of a good internal combustion engine. Both of those things are completely irrelevant to a car's function, and therefore the majority of car buyers.

sidesauce said:

Cars are going exactly the same way and in a couple of generations people your age will simply look at ICE'd cars as a curio from a bygone age (just like how we look at steam trains now); yes, there will always be a small fringe of enthusiasts will still indulge in them, as they do with vinyl and watches, but the masses simply will not care. Cleaner, quieter (a MUCH bigger deal than people realise), more reliable with less moving parts, faster and, eventually, more range. Basically convenience and therefore the path of least resistance.

I think we are making the exact same point. Just because enthusiasts will bemoan the departure of the internal combustion engine, it doesn't mean it's not going to happen.

Edited by Limpet on Friday 23 August 11:32

[cerb4.5lee]

Limpet said:

I'm not sure what my age has to do with anything, but regardless, I think the analogy is valid.

I thought that your analogy was a really good one, and your post earlier overall was good too.

[Fittster]

Nothing very new or imaginative about the interior.

[Mikehig]

So, just as you swipe the screen, the car hits a bump and everything flips to blow-drying your passenger (who is wetting themselves as you scrabble around with eyes off the road).
Then, if I read this correctly, you have to go a different screen to change the temperature? Makes me wonder if the designers actually do any driving, in real cars on real roads.
Nightmare.