Why the hate for SUV convertibles?
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john41901 said:
Making a convertible lifestyle accessory is even more pointless but no doubt will be a huge success amongst a certain type of car buyer...
So? If people are buying then - whats the issue? Anyone in the market for a "fast" estate ISN'T in the market for a convertible T-roc / Evoque / whatever (or even their tintopped equivs). They are not comparible products. If you were comparing an RS6 Vs RR SVR / Stelvio Quadrawhatever; you might have a point.
john41901 said:
SUVs are heavy, large, poor handling, inefficient, overly expensive triumphs of marketing form over function when a fast estate does pretty much everything far better. Making a convertible lifestyle accessory is even more pointless but no doubt will be a huge success amongst a certain type of car buyer...
You mean people who couldn't give two sods about what you think? john41901 said:
Did you watch the clip ? Pretty obvious I would have thought you 'Tard.
SUVs are heavy, large, poor handling, inefficient, overly expensive triumphs of marketing form over function when a fast estate does pretty much everything far better. Making a convertible lifestyle accessory is even more pointless but no doubt will be a huge success amongst a certain type of car buyer...
Yes I did watch the clip, a while ago actually. My "tard" comment was directed at his posting an almost irrelevant link and adding an even more useless obscene comment. Just because Chris Harris says something, does not make it the be-all end-all of car discussions.SUVs are heavy, large, poor handling, inefficient, overly expensive triumphs of marketing form over function when a fast estate does pretty much everything far better. Making a convertible lifestyle accessory is even more pointless but no doubt will be a huge success amongst a certain type of car buyer...
Yes SUV's are mostly useless, but then again so are sports cars, high powered estates and sedans...come to think of it anything more then a Dacia Logan is pretty much useless. With this mentality we should all be living in relatively small 2 bedroom flats, stacked on top of each other (living machines), wear uniformed clothing, have hot water twice a week, rationed food and electricity, anything else is a waste and a status symbol.
Wait, we already tried that in the 20th century.
I used to think the same way about this whole SUV craze, they are worst in almost all aspects. However the raised, and arguably more ergonomic and comfortable seating position is a good argument for a lot of people. The subjective feeling of a more solid vehicle is also a major factor driving the buying decision. It is the way it is, and historically speaking low-slung, road hugging sedans and wagons have only come into play in the late 50's and early 60's with the advent of a good and smooth road network. Before cars needed to be tough and with decent road clearance. The pendulum seems to be swinging the other way.
Enjoy the weekend
stongle said:
john41901 said:
Making a convertible lifestyle accessory is even more pointless but no doubt will be a huge success amongst a certain type of car buyer...
So? If people are buying then - whats the issue? Anyone in the market for a "fast" estate ISN'T in the market for a convertible T-roc / Evoque / whatever (or even their tintopped equivs). They are not comparible products. If you were comparing an RS6 Vs RR SVR / Stelvio Quadrawhatever; you might have a point.
tboxes bought by idiots, e.g. a toe-rag R line plus 
. Putting a soft roof on it will not make it any better, if anything it reduces the structural integrity that comes from having a roof. Then add even more weight while you fix that and you have an even worse monstrosity.Rich Boy Spanner said:
I also do get irritated being stuck behind anyone in a convertible when they decide to lower the roof and hold everyone up whilst they drive at 10MPH. They come across as attention seeking and selfish.
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in 25 years of driving and the thick end of a million miles i've yet to encounter that, the closest i've come is someone doing at in the stationary queue at traffic lights then having to move off slowly as it completed............once....
john41901 said:
SUVs are heavy, large, poor handling, inefficient, overly expensive triumphs of marketing form over function when a fast estate does pretty much everything far better.
Not in my experience. There is nothing my estate does better than our SUV for our needs. The SUV is cheaper, lighter, more frugal, more practical, rides better, easier to park, better turning circle, better visibility.
I use neither for fun or track days though. They would both be awful at that.
stongle said:
Schmed said:
ah bless, the pistonhead snowflake.Soft SUV Convertible / Fashion statements have been around for more than 28 years. If this rage has been buring that long, see someone.
SUV convertibles are specifically made for 40-60 year old women.
A non ladder frame proper 4x4, crossover-type SUV is already a very mumsy car - to have the roof cut off makes it even more girly. Just think about the old Vitara.
Land Rover knew the market they were heading for. Again, the evoque in itself is already girly, I don't think I've seen a man driving one - apart from at a dealer - it's too over styled, 4-pots, lots of Range Rover badging (more than any other Range Rover, ironically) and its smaller stature makes it perfect for the type of market. Convertibles also struggle with this connotation - rightly or wrongly - but to add both to the mix, well it is a niche model, that has a niche market. I think it was telling the launch colour was a very bright orange metallic..
The new VW, well that just wants to be the same. It's like a modern take on the Beetle (I know there is a modern one, I mean for this body type) - this SUV type car is what people are buying now let's cut the roof off.
A non ladder frame proper 4x4, crossover-type SUV is already a very mumsy car - to have the roof cut off makes it even more girly. Just think about the old Vitara.
Land Rover knew the market they were heading for. Again, the evoque in itself is already girly, I don't think I've seen a man driving one - apart from at a dealer - it's too over styled, 4-pots, lots of Range Rover badging (more than any other Range Rover, ironically) and its smaller stature makes it perfect for the type of market. Convertibles also struggle with this connotation - rightly or wrongly - but to add both to the mix, well it is a niche model, that has a niche market. I think it was telling the launch colour was a very bright orange metallic..
The new VW, well that just wants to be the same. It's like a modern take on the Beetle (I know there is a modern one, I mean for this body type) - this SUV type car is what people are buying now let's cut the roof off.
flatso said:
Yes I did watch the clip, a while ago actually. My "tard" comment was directed at his posting an almost irrelevant link and adding an even more useless obscene comment.
Topic SUVs : I posted a clip about SUVs Topic Convertibles : I posted a comment summing up my views on SUV convertibles.
Maybe confusing for you but "'Tard"?
Someone's tetchy...john41901 said:
stongle said:
john41901 said:
Making a convertible lifestyle accessory is even more pointless but no doubt will be a huge success amongst a certain type of car buyer...
So? If people are buying then - whats the issue? Anyone in the market for a "fast" estate ISN'T in the market for a convertible T-roc / Evoque / whatever (or even their tintopped equivs). They are not comparible products. If you were comparing an RS6 Vs RR SVR / Stelvio Quadrawhatever; you might have a point.
tboxes bought by idiots, e.g. a toe-rag R line plus . Putting a soft roof on it will not make it any better, if anything it reduces the structural integrity that comes from having a roof. Then add even more weight while you fix that and you have an even worse monstrosity.And Harris claps himself on TV, which is something that should be punishable by instant execution, and without trial, imho.
J4CKO said:
You do see them so someone is buying them, people like different stuff, just because we are into cars doesn't mean they are wrong and we are right.
Petrolheads make some pretty stupid/rash decisions with regards to cars.
We arent the target market so I just treat it as per other stuff that isnt aimed at, or of interest to me, I tend to ignore it. Just because I like cars and it is a car and I like cars, doesnt mean I have to have an negative opinion of that one as it doesn't float my boat.
Its aimed at ladies in the main, they like the Evoque, as do a lot of men as well, so its an obvious extension of that.
I don't get offended when I go to get a pie and see a Organic, Vegan Quinoa salad, I just give it a wide berth.
Pah, such a level headed view of the world has no place on the internet!Petrolheads make some pretty stupid/rash decisions with regards to cars.
We arent the target market so I just treat it as per other stuff that isnt aimed at, or of interest to me, I tend to ignore it. Just because I like cars and it is a car and I like cars, doesnt mean I have to have an negative opinion of that one as it doesn't float my boat.
Its aimed at ladies in the main, they like the Evoque, as do a lot of men as well, so its an obvious extension of that.
I don't get offended when I go to get a pie and see a Organic, Vegan Quinoa salad, I just give it a wide berth.
On a more serious note, I don't get them, understand why you'd have one and think they're a bit ugly but they don't really bother me. If someone else likes them hey ho. It's their money.
As pointed out already, they're nothing new because Suzuki made them ages ago as did others.
As for the poster saying that Evoques are only driven my ladies of a certain age...B.S. I work with two blokes who drive them, a chap a few houses down from our old house had one (although he did work for JLR) etc.
Edited by Court_S on Friday 23 August 15:11
john41901 said:
Harris said it best in the earlier clip. SUVs are stboxes bought by idiots, e.g. a toe-rag R line plus . Putting a soft roof on it will not make it any better, if anything it reduces the structural integrity that comes from having a roof. Then add even more weight while you fix that and you have an even worse monstrosity.
Yep, but I dont need to rag around in it. The toerag battlebus is fine for a number of reasons. tboxes bought by idiots, e.g. a toe-rag R line plus . Putting a soft roof on it will not make it any better, if anything it reduces the structural integrity that comes from having a roof. Then add even more weight while you fix that and you have an even worse monstrosity.1) the wife wanted high up (happy wife happy life)
2) plenty of space for kids and associated paraphernalia
3) stupid cheap lease deal
4) oh and when it does cross a field it actually has a reasoable approach angle unlike an SVR.
I really don't get the hate. I don't look to best an RS6 of the lights or make progress (in PH director fashion). Its basically white goods. They are in no way dynamically similar to a fast estate. Its like comparing an Apache Gunship and a tank.
Fortunately I have the pano roof so no need to chop it.
When did we stop calling these things soft roaders and start calling them SUV's? I liked the term 'soft roader'; it felt suitably British and had that journalistic sneer about it that used to be all the rage.
Anyway, away from inevitable descent into the complete homogenisation of the English language, I actually quite like these. They're ridiculous, and I sort of admire them for that. Far more interesting than the ten-a-penny tall hatchbacks masquerading as off roaders that make up about 50% of any supermarket car park nowadays.
Anyway, away from inevitable descent into the complete homogenisation of the English language, I actually quite like these. They're ridiculous, and I sort of admire them for that. Far more interesting than the ten-a-penny tall hatchbacks masquerading as off roaders that make up about 50% of any supermarket car park nowadays.
Personally I think they're a bit pretentious. Don't get me wrong plenty of other cars are as well but I think because SUVs/4x4s are so 'in' at the moment convertible versions are just a bit cringeworthy to me.
Most people with these SUVs don't need them, they may cant the elevated driving position and some will claim the additional space but ultimately it's nothing a hatchback or saloon car couldn't do. A convertible version makes what is claimed to be a practical car a lot less practical so to me at least becomes even more pointless.
Most people with these SUVs don't need them, they may cant the elevated driving position and some will claim the additional space but ultimately it's nothing a hatchback or saloon car couldn't do. A convertible version makes what is claimed to be a practical car a lot less practical so to me at least becomes even more pointless.
Schmed said:
You lose all credibility & respect by advertising your lack of intelligence, good manners, vocabulary & general ability to express yourself other than through anger & offensive language.SweptVolume said:
When did we stop calling these things soft roaders and start calling them SUV's? I liked the term 'soft roader'; it felt suitably British and had that journalistic sneer about it that used to be all the rage.
I liked soft roader too, because that's what I used my Yetis and use my Alltrack for. Soft roads with big holes in them where the extra few centimetres of ground clearance is the difference between scagging up the underside or sailing over vaguely gracefully.I also thought it was useful to have a few different divisions:
Crossover - essentially a hatch with a bit of lift and some cladding, probably FWD
Soft roader - with some sort of all wheel drive so better on a grassy field
SUV - something derived from a pickup with a ladder chassis and difflocks, but an estate-ish body
Entirely arbitrary, of course.
Convertible SUV... new vw beach buggy is pretty cool....
Feel like I've mentioned this a bit too much but I've succumbed to the crossover with getting the slightly raised focus. Reason why I got it? Speed bumps some of them in and around london are hills and occasionally not noticable until the clonk.
Feel like I've mentioned this a bit too much but I've succumbed to the crossover with getting the slightly raised focus. Reason why I got it? Speed bumps some of them in and around london are hills and occasionally not noticable until the clonk.
Edited by PisstNBroke on Friday 23 August 16:52
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