RE: Porsche Taycan sets production EV 'Ring record
Discussion
paua said:
I'm always surprised ( yeah my fault being naive thinking that you care about results rather than looks/ sounds etc) how many people value form ( eg noise) over function. How many race engineers, do you think give a fat rat's arse about anything other than winning?
You'll probably complain about stitching colour, too.
Results? You'll probably complain about stitching colour, too.
I’m not a race engineer and in my road car I’m not setting lap times.
RobDickinson said:
paua said:
I'm always surprised ( yeah my fault being naive thinking that you care about results rather than looks/ sounds etc) how many people value form ( eg noise) over function. How many race engineers, do you think give a fat rat's arse about anything other than winning?
You'll probably complain about stitching colour, too.
Oh I get it, we've 5 senses and hearing is one of them, as sensory input for an experience sound is certainly helpful. You'll probably complain about stitching colour, too.
Tried watching a movie without the dramatic music score?
I'm not sure it's so relevant to day to day driving of these but certainly missing part in the video entertainment
Similarly, being able to spin the driven wheels ( cool to some) doesn't make for efficient progress - just more rubber particles in the water table /ocean.
paua said:
RobDickinson said:
paua said:
I'm always surprised ( yeah my fault being naive thinking that you care about results rather than looks/ sounds etc) how many people value form ( eg noise) over function. How many race engineers, do you think give a fat rat's arse about anything other than winning?
You'll probably complain about stitching colour, too.
Oh I get it, we've 5 senses and hearing is one of them, as sensory input for an experience sound is certainly helpful. You'll probably complain about stitching colour, too.
Tried watching a movie without the dramatic music score?
I'm not sure it's so relevant to day to day driving of these but certainly missing part in the video entertainment
Similarly, being able to spin the driven wheels ( cool to some) doesn't make for efficient progress - just more rubber particles in the water table /ocean.
RobDickinson said:
paua said:
RobDickinson said:
paua said:
I'm always surprised ( yeah my fault being naive thinking that you care about results rather than looks/ sounds etc) how many people value form ( eg noise) over function. How many race engineers, do you think give a fat rat's arse about anything other than winning?
You'll probably complain about stitching colour, too.
Oh I get it, we've 5 senses and hearing is one of them, as sensory input for an experience sound is certainly helpful. You'll probably complain about stitching colour, too.
Tried watching a movie without the dramatic music score?
I'm not sure it's so relevant to day to day driving of these but certainly missing part in the video entertainment
Similarly, being able to spin the driven wheels ( cool to some) doesn't make for efficient progress - just more rubber particles in the water table /ocean.
paua said:
MX5s (manual) are fun, keep it if you can. Who sells Tesla in Chch? Am not in the market, curious. No substitute for L.cruiser for work. - D
MX5 has already gone, tesla sell tesla here, ordered online, delivery to my home!The MX5 just didnt get driven enough really.
I'll be up your way with the 3 soon I think give you a shout?
How long will take it for the battery tech to allow a significant reduction in the weight of the packs required? I appreciate that advances are being made constantly but it appears to be concentrated on increasing the range, which is fair enough at this point. The age old critism thrown at EV's is that you can't hop in one and drive to the south of France without allowing for ample amounts of charge time, I fully expect this to be overcome, but will there be a point where the batteries can provide genuine, consistant performance over an extended range and have their size/weight reduced by a worthwhile amount? Not as important for a large saloon obviously but if sports cars are eventually to go the same route the weight of the packs could make all the difference between a having just a good or a great base for producing a car that has the best opportunity to handle well.
I’m sure that driving one would be as impressive as it looks.
What might be difficult to predict in the future is how much buyers will be prepared to pay for cars that all have a very similar primary characteristic.
Obviously there will be differences in an EV’s chassis, build quality, interiors etc but pretty much guaranteed they will all have virtually silent powertrains and possess more than adequate performance.
The engine in an ICE car is its core defining factor - with all the different qualities inherent in design.
Whereas if a high performance EV powertrain feels the same as a budget model - apart from producing more impressive figures that will never be experienced on the road - will buyers contemplating something like this consider they are getting anything significantly different?
What might be difficult to predict in the future is how much buyers will be prepared to pay for cars that all have a very similar primary characteristic.
Obviously there will be differences in an EV’s chassis, build quality, interiors etc but pretty much guaranteed they will all have virtually silent powertrains and possess more than adequate performance.
The engine in an ICE car is its core defining factor - with all the different qualities inherent in design.
Whereas if a high performance EV powertrain feels the same as a budget model - apart from producing more impressive figures that will never be experienced on the road - will buyers contemplating something like this consider they are getting anything significantly different?
gigglebug said:
The age old critism thrown at EV's is that you can't hop in one and drive to the south of France without allowing for ample amounts of charge time...
To be fair, it isn't that far off it now!"In theory", the new Model 3 would be able to do Calais to Marseille and only needing to be recharged once... However... Due to the charging characteristics, you're probably better off doing it with 2x charge stops, to take it to 80% instead of 'Full'.
When you take into account practical considerations, such as needing to take a pee, getting a cuppah, food, etc... as long as you're not rushing in and then out, you're not going to be far off the 40mins you need for an 80% charge. Granted, you can't dash in & dash out but for the average person, it is now very 'do-able'.
I've done the run to the South of France, with the family, enough times to know 2-3hrs between stops is probably the most you want to do. By the time you've filled with fuel, herded everyone through the toilets, had a drink/food, etc... There would have been plenty of time to take on an 80% charge.
Whilst an EV might not be everyone's cup-of-tea, I personally can't wait to get one. As a daily driver, EVs save huge amounts in fuel, servicing, etc... And the sooner people switch to EV, the sooner we get to save fossil fuels for use in our 'toy' cars.
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paua said:
I'm always surprised ( yeah my fault being naive thinking that you care about results rather than looks/ sounds etc) how many people value form ( eg noise) over function. How many race engineers, do you think give a fat rat's arse about anything other than winning?
You'll probably complain about stitching colour, too.
You realise it's not a race car right?You'll probably complain about stitching colour, too.
gigglebug said:
How long will take it for the battery tech to allow a significant reduction in the weight of the packs required?
As per my anecdote above, the leaf has doubled range in 6 years at the same price point, so surely as these gains will reduce the need for the physical size/weight of the battery (also remember that battery costs are now declining at 24% pa, with this rate of decline also increasing), even holding 24% as the current rate a £20k battery today(probably the same cost as a high end ICE drive train) is £5k in six years time.Regarding the charging comments, the highest available fast chargers are 150 KW today (7kw on your house), research is aiming at 600kw but as highlighted in one infrastructure presentation I sat through, this is filling a shot glass with a pressure washer.
Plate spinner said:
GTiWILL said:
An impressive time however I turned the video off after a few minutes. I found the lack of engine noise made it boring to watch.
Same here. I want to like electric cars.
I know they’re coming in a big way, they are the immediate future.
I have no doubt they’ll be faster than ICE cars.
I’m sure I’ll end up having one.
I’m just not very excited by them or find them in any way interesting.
Which is a shame.
Edward Robbins said:
Couldn’t agree more, surly the whole point of a car like this is to excite the senses, this just does not excite me, I’m struggling with the whole lack of engine noise, the engine is the beating heart of a car such as this!!!
We all like different things naturally but I went into EVs with an open mind and was totally surprised at how much fun the model 3 is (far more than an M4 or RS4 imo). The drive train makes ICE feel like antiques.EVs are going to be different and I wish makers would get them to make sci-fi noises like the iPace does but the taycan should be a lot of fun, just different. Wish I could afford one lol.
Fell asleep watching that.Engine Noise, no engine noise! I am sure it will be enjoyable for the driver to own these ev's but not for observers - how dull will movie car chase scenes be, without engine noise rumbling through the cinema's powerful system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxxH0lZSYgU
Also video states 'prototype' so will be souped up, and probably not identical to the production car...
hyphen said:
Engine Noise, no engine noise! I am sure it will be enjoyable for the driver to own these ev's but not for observers - how dull will movie car chase scenes be
Trouble is the EU has already killed engine noise, the new regs have ruined AMG / RS noise and the regs are getting ramped up over the next few years so that the max noise will be 65db I believe. BMW have been playing fake sound through the speakers for ages. I think I read merc has started this now as well.The new A45s sounds utter s
te compared to my FL car with sports boxEdited by Dave Hedgehog on Saturday 31st August 06:39
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