RE: Porsche 911 (992) Carrera | Driven

[Lowtimer]

GranCab said:

Morphing slowly but surely into a 2 door Panamera ....

Given that the original plan back in the late 70s was to replace the 911 with the 928, this would represent consistent strategic intention.

Speaking of which I would love to see a 928 parked next to one of these, as I suspect the 928, which always looked like a great wide whale of a car when it was new, probably looks dwarfed by a 992.

[av185]

blueSL said:

I have two GT3s and they do just that and maybe the 992 GT3 will as well but I despair about the ever increasing size and weight of the car.

Out of around 7 991.2 GT3 owners on PH 5 (all 'manuel' clubsports btw) of us have actually declined allocations for the 992 GT3 on the basis it is expected to be more diluted as a focused drivers car and generally inferior to the 991.2 which is broadly considered to be the sweet spot.

[Filibuster]

Terminator X said:

Both codes the same? I want to see the expensive one!

TX.

http://www.porsche-code.com/PL66QV85

I had to do it again and today I even came to £ 44'346 worth of options

[Court_S]

Like many, I struggle with the back end of these( it just looks a bit naff. They’re also big cars now, but pretty much all cars are bloody massive these days.

[Pumpsmynads]

I think I must be unique. I use the configurator and apart from a metallic colour and heated seats that’s all I’d add. #tightyorkshireman

[Dale487]

Pumpsmynads said:

I think I must be unique. I use the configurator and apart from a metallic colour and heated seats that’s all I’d add. #tightyorkshireman

Here's my full Yorkshireman's spec - not a single thing that costs anything extra: http://www.porsche-code.com/PLDY9QF9

I'd make even cheaper with a manual gearbox, when I can.

[Leithen]

Lowtimer said:

Given that the original plan back in the late 70s was to replace the 911 with the 928, this would represent consistent strategic intention.

Speaking of which I would love to see a 928 parked next to one of these, as I suspect the 928, which always looked like a great wide whale of a car when it was new, probably looks dwarfed by a 992.

The 928 used to appear big, but see one now parked next to any average saloon and it's no bigger.

The 992 is smaller than the 928 - but there's not much in it. (1852 vs 1890 width)

The competition is all wider - all 1900+

Crash structures and wide tyres must make it hard to shrink the size to anything less. Inside it's not a bad balance - enough space without feeling big, but also not in each other's laps.

[Lowtimer]

Pumpsmynads said:

I think I must be unique. I use the configurator and apart from a metallic colour and heated seats that’s all I’d add. #tightyorkshireman

I would even skip the heated seats TBH. I rarely if ever use them on the one car of mine that has them, and have never missed them on the others#eventighteryorkshireman

[Lowtimer]

Leithen said:

The 928 used to appear big, but see one now parked next to any average saloon and it's no bigger.

The 992 is smaller than the 928 - but there's not much in it. (1852 vs 1890 width)

The competition is all wider - all 1900+

Crash structures and wide tyres must make it hard to shrink the size to anything less. Inside it's not a bad balance - enough space without feeling big, but also not in each other's laps.

Much the same with my R129 Merc SL, which also seemed a big and especially wide thing for a car of that modest accommodation, in much the same way as the 928, but which I couldn;t spot parked on the street the other day 'cause it was hiding behind a Corsa.

I'm not in the market for a 992 now but might be in a couple of years. It would be a good express for some of my longer cross-country journeys which take in everything from mountain twisties to motorway sections

[Pumpsmynads]

Lowtimer said:

Pumpsmynads said:

I think I must be unique. I use the configurator and apart from a metallic colour and heated seats that’s all I’d add. #tightyorkshireman

I would even skip the heated seats TBH. I rarely if ever use them on the one car of mine that has them, and have never missed them on the others#eventighteryorkshireman

The seats are only for the wife

[Sisu9]

Gandahar said:

It's 2.024m wide now and still the bum gets bigger. The 997 had a big bum in it's day compared to the 993

997.2 -



992.1




Please no 992 twerking gifs....

That 997.2 C4S just looks so right.

[Terminator X]

Filibuster said:

http://www.porsche-code.com/PL66QV85

I had to do it again and today I even came to £ 44'346 worth of options

Oof those ceramic brakes and £3k or so just to upgrade existing seats!

TX.

[anonymous-user]

Baldchap said:

I test drove an S and for me, the 911 isn't a sports car any more. It's a really fast Audi A4 or VW Golf. They've managed to engineer all the involvement out of the drive.

Might be different on track, but at road speeds it didn't do it for me.

Agree 100%.

Doubtless, that's what the market wants nowadays - cars that drive like video-games.

I love all 911s up to and including the 997. I'm sure the new 911 is an imperious GT car and very quick etc; but:

1. The wheels are too big;
2. The 'Porsche' and '911' badging is a bit naff for those of us who remember Porsche's non-shouty pre-VW badging (back in the day when a 911 looked and sounded like no other car); and
3. Crucially, it doesn't have proper steering, a proper gearbox, a proper engine sound, or a proper handbrake.

Sad to relate, the new 911 is no longer a 911. Used to be that a 911 was unique; and if you wanted one, nothing else would do. Now, it's just a generic GT car; one of many alternatives.

Not that what I think matters a jot. I'm sure that, being more boring, less characterful and less challenging than 911s of old, it'll sell by the bucket-load.

911s used to remind me of Motorhead. Quality, and reliably hard-core. There was something compelling about that combination of impeccable build-quality (in the a/c cars), odd engineering, smallness and generally badass attitude:

|https://thumbsnap.com/CzMyEe8y[/url]

Sort of like a well-built TVR. But as a lifelong 911 fan, I don't see the point of it any more.

Just to remind me of what a 911 should look like - this is the engine out of my car (reliably sets off car alarms at tickover : )



And a delicacy of line now lost (not my car):



911s looked the business right up to and including the 997:

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 31st August 02:32

[av185]

tommy1973s said:

Crucially, it doesn't have proper steering, a proper gearbox, a proper engine sound, or a proper handbrake.

Try the 991.2 'manuel' GT3.

Incredible car incredible effective Cup car engine. Almost as hardcore as the 997 too. Last of the non gpf filtered GT Porsches.

If the badges bother you why not go debadged.

Latest epas steering as good as the 997 hydraulic.

The electric handbrake is a small price to pay for progress btw.

I have been lucky enough to own most Porsche GTs over the past 15 years and would rate this last GT3 as the absolute sweet spot.

[80quattro]

Sisu9 said:

Gandahar said:

It's 2.024m wide now and still the bum gets bigger. The 997 had a big bum in it's day compared to the 993

997.2 -



992.1




Please no 992 twerking gifs....

That 997.2 C4S just looks so right.

I think the Carrera Sports help. My favourite Gen II wheels.

[anonymous-user]

I actually like the styling of this; I'm perhaps a bit odd in that I like the original 911, the 996, 991 and this. To me, the 964, 993 and 997 - probably the more popular ones, have weird detailing and ugly for it.

It's funny to think that in 50 years time the 911 will still look like this. Well, they're not going to change the overall shape, are they? It'll have a hydrogen or battery pack in the rear..

[anonymous-user]

Baldchap said:

I test drove an S and for me, the 911 isn't a sports car any more. It's a really fast Audi A4 or VW Golf. They've managed to engineer all the involvement out of the drive.

Might be different on track, but at road speeds it didn't do it for me

Unfortunately, it’s not the fault of Porsche, it’s called ‘progress’, just a badge and a name to have in the car park to prove ones status. Doesn’t matter if it’s actually much fun, it’s a 911, to some that’s all that matters

I can totally see an electric 911 being hugely popular, the flat six is dead, dying so the USP will be consigned to history books.

Luckily there are still many older cars out there to scratch the itch.

[Leithen]

I do wonder whether the 911 models of the 60’s and 70’s get forgotten about too easily. The current Carrera line up is very faithful to the origins of the car IMO.

[blueSL]

If there’s one feature which shows Porsche have lost their way with the 911, it’s the retracting door handles. Completely pointless, more complexity, more weight but presumably “someone in marketing” said they were needed and someone else was not man enough to say “bo**o**s”...

Edited by blueSL on Saturday 31st August 12:54

[av185]

Agree but to the initiated, unfortunately toys sell cars.