RE: Jaguar XE SV Project 8 Touring Spec | Driven
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Terminator X said:
akadk said:
Look at the Ring times. The P8 has proper bespoke engineering
On the road the M5C will equal it in performance but not on a track ... then there is the M5 looks like a Turkish taxi ...
7:35 ring time for the M5C and 7:21 for the P8 ... No doubt you will tell me that is a sound thrashing over what 13 miles. On the road the M5C will equal it in performance but not on a track ... then there is the M5 looks like a Turkish taxi ...
Fair enough comment re a taxi though!
TX.
Edit - PS I love the Jag, if it wasn't LHD and so expensive I'd have one in a heartbeat.
Edited by Terminator X on Sunday 1st September 21:50
The key differentiator is the Jag would do it again and again lap after lap with no performance drop off, some serious engineering gone it to it
Interesting comments, I thought I'd add a few more after covering 9000miles in my own Project 8 over the past 12 months.
1) The Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio does the same job for half the price.
I thought that too until I drove the P8 and discovered it was a completely different animal. Okay, they both are 4-door saloons and have similar straight-line performance but when pushed, the Alfa starts to feel edgy, almost too powerful for its own good. Steering feel isn't great and damping on a typical B-road isn't as tight as I hoped. By contrast, the P8 has a crazed feel about it, that 5.0litre s/c engine punches hard from 1000rpm, with instantaneous punch of epic proportions and because of the 4WD, it can be deployed at any time. Steering feel on P8 is on another level too, with wonderful turn-in that makes a mockery of that big V8 in its nose. The over-ridding feeling is of serious cross-country ability and of great driver connection with a highly developed performance car. I also tried the latest RS4 and RS6 against the P8 and the performance of the RS4 felt thin, while the RS6 just felt leaden in comparison. The closest rival for the P8 is in fact the Nissan GT-R, which is the same weight and has a similar feel to it, just missing the P8's instant punch from lower revs.
2) It's over-priced.
I would have liked it to be cheaper too(!) but the more you get to know the P8, the more you realise how bespoke it actually is. You've got to remember it's based on a range of 4-door Jaguar saloons that doesn't include an M3 type model, unlike cars like the BMW M3 GTS, etc. This meant P8 development had to start from scratch and that's why the whole front end, wings, bonnet, front valence, is made of carbonfibre. The headlights needed to go forward 20mm(?) to allow the bodywork to accept the monster 20" wheels and CCM brakes. That's seriously expensive stuff, then the rear bodywork is unique to the P8 too, with swollen arches and bespoke rear doors. And that's before you consider the unique drivetrain, race-spec Bilstein dampers, rose-jointed suspension, ceramic wheel bearings, etc.
Cars that I consider over-priced are those that are special editions based on an existing performance model, I'd single out the Senna as an obvious example here. I simply can't understand why I should pay a circa £600k premium for a Senna over a 720S, for example. Finally, the number of P8 being built is tiny, approx 250-300 for the world, meaning you're 4 times more likely to see a Senna out on the road than a Jaguar P8. That's very exclusive and makes the car extra special to me, as I'm getting to enjoy a drive experience few others will ever know.
3) It's LHD only.
As a serial car buyer/collector, I like LHD because it opens up the world market to me, should I ever want to sell the car. There will always be a small global market for a barmy 600bhp+ 4-door Jaguar and in a few years time, when EV cars and the legislators have neutered many of our existing performance cars, the P8 will appear even more special than it is today. The type of customer I've met who bought the P8 in the first place also mean it'll never be a cheap car, as they're in no hurry to sell as there's nothing else like it out there. The tiny build numbers will keep residuals high too.
4) Finally, every time I drive the P8 I'm gob-smacked at how capable it is. I've been out on track with it and its ability to shame the GT3 type cars of this world, even in the hands of a numpty like me, is hilarious. I also like the usability, I've had two RS6 in the past and I much prefer this class of car to a performance SUV. You still get plenty of interior space, 4 seats, a decent driving position, good visibility and stonking over-taking performance. The P8 does all of this and more, as well as being capable of lapping the 'Ring in 7:18 again and again (there's even a P8 'Ring taxi now).
I hope this gives you a better understanding of the P8 and why I think we'll all look back in a few years time and be very glad Jaguar had the balls to make this car in the first place..
1) The Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio does the same job for half the price.
I thought that too until I drove the P8 and discovered it was a completely different animal. Okay, they both are 4-door saloons and have similar straight-line performance but when pushed, the Alfa starts to feel edgy, almost too powerful for its own good. Steering feel isn't great and damping on a typical B-road isn't as tight as I hoped. By contrast, the P8 has a crazed feel about it, that 5.0litre s/c engine punches hard from 1000rpm, with instantaneous punch of epic proportions and because of the 4WD, it can be deployed at any time. Steering feel on P8 is on another level too, with wonderful turn-in that makes a mockery of that big V8 in its nose. The over-ridding feeling is of serious cross-country ability and of great driver connection with a highly developed performance car. I also tried the latest RS4 and RS6 against the P8 and the performance of the RS4 felt thin, while the RS6 just felt leaden in comparison. The closest rival for the P8 is in fact the Nissan GT-R, which is the same weight and has a similar feel to it, just missing the P8's instant punch from lower revs.
2) It's over-priced.
I would have liked it to be cheaper too(!) but the more you get to know the P8, the more you realise how bespoke it actually is. You've got to remember it's based on a range of 4-door Jaguar saloons that doesn't include an M3 type model, unlike cars like the BMW M3 GTS, etc. This meant P8 development had to start from scratch and that's why the whole front end, wings, bonnet, front valence, is made of carbonfibre. The headlights needed to go forward 20mm(?) to allow the bodywork to accept the monster 20" wheels and CCM brakes. That's seriously expensive stuff, then the rear bodywork is unique to the P8 too, with swollen arches and bespoke rear doors. And that's before you consider the unique drivetrain, race-spec Bilstein dampers, rose-jointed suspension, ceramic wheel bearings, etc.
Cars that I consider over-priced are those that are special editions based on an existing performance model, I'd single out the Senna as an obvious example here. I simply can't understand why I should pay a circa £600k premium for a Senna over a 720S, for example. Finally, the number of P8 being built is tiny, approx 250-300 for the world, meaning you're 4 times more likely to see a Senna out on the road than a Jaguar P8. That's very exclusive and makes the car extra special to me, as I'm getting to enjoy a drive experience few others will ever know.
3) It's LHD only.
As a serial car buyer/collector, I like LHD because it opens up the world market to me, should I ever want to sell the car. There will always be a small global market for a barmy 600bhp+ 4-door Jaguar and in a few years time, when EV cars and the legislators have neutered many of our existing performance cars, the P8 will appear even more special than it is today. The type of customer I've met who bought the P8 in the first place also mean it'll never be a cheap car, as they're in no hurry to sell as there's nothing else like it out there. The tiny build numbers will keep residuals high too.
4) Finally, every time I drive the P8 I'm gob-smacked at how capable it is. I've been out on track with it and its ability to shame the GT3 type cars of this world, even in the hands of a numpty like me, is hilarious. I also like the usability, I've had two RS6 in the past and I much prefer this class of car to a performance SUV. You still get plenty of interior space, 4 seats, a decent driving position, good visibility and stonking over-taking performance. The P8 does all of this and more, as well as being capable of lapping the 'Ring in 7:18 again and again (there's even a P8 'Ring taxi now).
I hope this gives you a better understanding of the P8 and why I think we'll all look back in a few years time and be very glad Jaguar had the balls to make this car in the first place..
Edited by M4SER on Monday 2nd September 09:55
M4SER said:
Interesting comments, I thought I'd add a few more after covering 9000miles in my own Project 8 over the past 12 months.
1) The Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio does the same job for half the price.
I thought that too until I drove the P8 and discovered it was a completely different animal. Okay, they both are 4-door saloons and have similar straight-line performance but when pushed, the Alfa starts to feel edgy, almost too powerful for its own good. Steering feel isn't great and damping on a typical B-road isn't as tight as I hoped. By contrast, the P8 has a crazed feel about it, that 5.0litre s/c engine punches hard from 1000rpm, with instantaneous punch of epic proportions and because of the 4WD, it can be deployed at any time. Steering feel on P8 is on another level too, with wonderful turn-in that makes a mockery of that big V8 in its nose. The over-ridding feeling is of serious cross-country ability and of great driver connection with a highly developed performance car. I also tried the latest RS4 and RS6 against the P8 and the performance of the RS4 felt thin, while the RS6 just felt leaden in comparison. The closest rival for the P8 is in fact the Nissan GT-R, which is the same weight and has a similar feel to it, just missing the P8's instant punch from lower revs.
2) It's over-priced.
I would have liked it to be cheaper too(!) but the more you get to know the P8, the more you realise how bespoke it actually is. You've got to remember it's based on a range of 4-door Jaguar saloons that doesn't include an M3 type model, unlike cars like the BMW M3 GTS, etc. This meant P8 development had to start from scratch and that's why the whole front end, wings, bonnet, front valence, is made of carbonfibre. The headlights needed to go forward 20mm(?) to allow the bodywork to accept the monster 20" wheels and CCM brakes. That's seriously expensive stuff, then the rear bodywork is unique to the P8 too, with swollen arches and bespoke rear doors. And that's before you consider the unique drivetrain, race-spec Bilstein dampers, rose-jointed suspension, ceramic wheel bearings, etc.
Cars that I consider over-priced are those that are special editions based on an existing performance model, I'd single out the Senna as an obvious example here. I simply can't understand why I should pay a circa £600k premium for a Senna over a 720S, for example. Finally, the number of P8 being built is tiny, approx 250-300 for the world, meaning you're 4 times more likely to see a Senna out on the road than a Jaguar P8. That's very exclusive and makes the car extra special to me, as I'm getting to enjoy a drive experience few others will ever know.
3) It's LHD only.
As a serial car buyer/collector, I like LHD because it opens up the world market to me, should I ever want to sell the car. There will always be a small global market for a barmy 600bhp+ 4-door Jaguar and in a few years time, when EV cars and the legislators have neutered many of our existing performance cars, the P8 will appear even more special than it is today. The type of customer I've met who bought the P8 in the first place also mean it'll never be a cheap car, as they're in no hurry to sell as there's nothing else like it out there. The tiny build numbers will keep residuals high too.
4) Finally, every time I drive the P8 I'm gob-smacked at how capable it is. I've been out on track with it and its ability to shame the GT3 type cars of this world, even in the hands of a numpty like me, is hilarious. I also like the usability, I've had two RS6 in the past and I much prefer this class of car to a performance SUV. You still get plenty of interior space, 4 seats, a decent driving position, good visibility and stonking over-taking performance. The P8 does all of this and more, as well as being capable of lapping the 'Ring in 7:18 again and again (there's even a P8 'Ring taxi now).
I hope this gives you a better understanding of the P8 and why I think we'll all look back in a few years time and be very glad Jaguar had the balls to make this car in the first place..
Well put and i take my hat off to anyone who has purchased one, if my numbers came up i would have one instantly so cool, bonkers, yet slightly practical !!! Any self respecting petrol head surely "gets it" 1) The Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio does the same job for half the price.
I thought that too until I drove the P8 and discovered it was a completely different animal. Okay, they both are 4-door saloons and have similar straight-line performance but when pushed, the Alfa starts to feel edgy, almost too powerful for its own good. Steering feel isn't great and damping on a typical B-road isn't as tight as I hoped. By contrast, the P8 has a crazed feel about it, that 5.0litre s/c engine punches hard from 1000rpm, with instantaneous punch of epic proportions and because of the 4WD, it can be deployed at any time. Steering feel on P8 is on another level too, with wonderful turn-in that makes a mockery of that big V8 in its nose. The over-ridding feeling is of serious cross-country ability and of great driver connection with a highly developed performance car. I also tried the latest RS4 and RS6 against the P8 and the performance of the RS4 felt thin, while the RS6 just felt leaden in comparison. The closest rival for the P8 is in fact the Nissan GT-R, which is the same weight and has a similar feel to it, just missing the P8's instant punch from lower revs.
2) It's over-priced.
I would have liked it to be cheaper too(!) but the more you get to know the P8, the more you realise how bespoke it actually is. You've got to remember it's based on a range of 4-door Jaguar saloons that doesn't include an M3 type model, unlike cars like the BMW M3 GTS, etc. This meant P8 development had to start from scratch and that's why the whole front end, wings, bonnet, front valence, is made of carbonfibre. The headlights needed to go forward 20mm(?) to allow the bodywork to accept the monster 20" wheels and CCM brakes. That's seriously expensive stuff, then the rear bodywork is unique to the P8 too, with swollen arches and bespoke rear doors. And that's before you consider the unique drivetrain, race-spec Bilstein dampers, rose-jointed suspension, ceramic wheel bearings, etc.
Cars that I consider over-priced are those that are special editions based on an existing performance model, I'd single out the Senna as an obvious example here. I simply can't understand why I should pay a circa £600k premium for a Senna over a 720S, for example. Finally, the number of P8 being built is tiny, approx 250-300 for the world, meaning you're 4 times more likely to see a Senna out on the road than a Jaguar P8. That's very exclusive and makes the car extra special to me, as I'm getting to enjoy a drive experience few others will ever know.
3) It's LHD only.
As a serial car buyer/collector, I like LHD because it opens up the world market to me, should I ever want to sell the car. There will always be a small global market for a barmy 600bhp+ 4-door Jaguar and in a few years time, when EV cars and the legislators have neutered many of our existing performance cars, the P8 will appear even more special than it is today. The type of customer I've met who bought the P8 in the first place also mean it'll never be a cheap car, as they're in no hurry to sell as there's nothing else like it out there. The tiny build numbers will keep residuals high too.
4) Finally, every time I drive the P8 I'm gob-smacked at how capable it is. I've been out on track with it and its ability to shame the GT3 type cars of this world, even in the hands of a numpty like me, is hilarious. I also like the usability, I've had two RS6 in the past and I much prefer this class of car to a performance SUV. You still get plenty of interior space, 4 seats, a decent driving position, good visibility and stonking over-taking performance. The P8 does all of this and more, as well as being capable of lapping the 'Ring in 7:18 again and again (there's even a P8 'Ring taxi now).
I hope this gives you a better understanding of the P8 and why I think we'll all look back in a few years time and be very glad Jaguar had the balls to make this car in the first place..
Edited by M4SER on Monday 2nd September 09:55
akadk said:
Jag would do it again and again lap after lap with no performance drop off, some serious engineering gone it to it
Baked_bean said:
...it is a bespoke bit of engineering using top notch components etc.
Hmmm...https://www.serieselite.com/news/brands-hatch-roun...
https://www.serieselite.com/news/donington-dilema-...
This whole project (the vehicle) has, or at least should be, an embarrassment for JLR.
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