RE: BMW M4 departs with M Heritage Edition
Discussion
GTEYE said:
Laguna Seca Blue is actually a great colour (from the E46 colour palate), but the press pictures certainly don't do it any justice.
In fairness, most press shots these days are terrible - computer messed shots that just don't look right...
It was also incredibly unpopular and dropped after a year IIRC. The BMW dealer I bought my E46 M4 from got given a second demonstrator by BMW GB.... it was Laguna Seca with a Laguna Seca interior and the dealer it was meant for refused to take it! You’re right about the photos!In fairness, most press shots these days are terrible - computer messed shots that just don't look right...
Chestrockwell said:
Yep! People moaned about the M3 going V8 and now it’s also the best thing since sliced bread.
Now when the G series M’s go AWD, people will look back at the M4 and say it was the best ever as it was so powerful and RWD.
In my eyes, whatever the latest is, is the one to have for me. I’d like to have a go in an E92 M3 or E46 M3 but I’d never buy one as they’re old cars now. I’ll say the same thing about the F series M3/M4 in 10 years time.
I’m a massive fan of the E9x era cars. The E90 for me is better looking than the E92 because it’s got bigger / better rear arches. Mates to the DCT box it really is quite intoxicating as the revs build. Now when the G series M’s go AWD, people will look back at the M4 and say it was the best ever as it was so powerful and RWD.
In my eyes, whatever the latest is, is the one to have for me. I’d like to have a go in an E92 M3 or E46 M3 but I’d never buy one as they’re old cars now. I’ll say the same thing about the F series M3/M4 in 10 years time.
I quite like that era because they’re reasonably modern but not complicated in terms of electronics etc. The F series cars are massive too and I’m really not a fan of the noise they make. The V8 sounds much, much better. I do love the way the F series M3 looks though, again much better than the coupe.
The E46 is the prettiest of the lot but they feel old / dated now. The E90 was on my list but to do c.15k a year I decided that the general M tax / piss poor fuel economy would wear thin very quickly.
nunpuncher said:
The M range is a good example of how mass production married to easily accessible, affordable finance through aggressive discounting can erode a brands cachet.
Do you think that’s how the people who managed to buy the cars through said finance feel?I really don’t understand why people don’t like it when very special product’s are available to everyone, it’s as if they only want it for themselves which isn’t a good mentality.
The M4, a car from your beloved M Range is a car driven for fun, it’s a performance car that looks menacing and bought for one purpose, fun. Why should the brand being eroded or diluted if everybody can afford one, you must buy one or like one because it makes people think you’re rich, otherwise you wouldn’t care if everybody owns one!
Article said:
The Edition will be sold in all existing M4 markets until April, which is presumably when we can expect to see the next generation, with the UK set to receive 10 per cent of the 750-car production run.
Typical modern BMW sales bull.... "hurry up and buy guys", limited edition..... 3 months after launch.... ramp up production, whack on 0% finance offers and flood the market
PS: Don't hate the car, glad it's coming.
Chestrockwell said:
Do you think that’s how the people who managed to buy the cars through said finance feel?
I really don’t understand why people don’t like it when very special product’s are available to everyone, it’s as if they only want it for themselves which isn’t a good mentality.
The M4, a car from your beloved M Range is a car driven for fun, it’s a performance car that looks menacing and bought for one purpose, fun. Why should the brand being eroded or diluted if everybody can afford one, you must buy one or like one because it makes people think you’re rich, otherwise you wouldn’t care if everybody owns one!
Would it be better if I said "IMO"? I think you've got it the wrong way round. They used to be bought PURELY by folk who cared about driving.I really don’t understand why people don’t like it when very special product’s are available to everyone, it’s as if they only want it for themselves which isn’t a good mentality.
The M4, a car from your beloved M Range is a car driven for fun, it’s a performance car that looks menacing and bought for one purpose, fun. Why should the brand being eroded or diluted if everybody can afford one, you must buy one or like one because it makes people think you’re rich, otherwise you wouldn’t care if everybody owns one!
Sniff Petrol summed it up well back in 2014 and I fear this situation has only got worse given the rate BMW have knocked them out at.
"While watching another roster of s
t pricks machine gunning Sralan Sugar with bullst I was filled with a sudden sadness about the BMW. I used to think the M3, especially the saloon, was a car for people who knew their stuff. But I’m a bit worried that it would also appeal to contestants on The Apprentice. In other words, people who think they’re alpha males but are in fact transparently tttish chancers. ""It’s hard to escape the feeling that, where once M3s were cars for people who really cared about driving, this is a car set up for people who think they care but will never seek out a nice road and give the car a good airing nor really venture far from town. As such, it’s designed to look, sound and feel superficially hardcore to punters who will never drive it in a hardcore way. Because if you do, it all starts to come apart. As such, it’s hard not to feel that the M in the new M3 stands for ‘marketing’."
Edited by nunpuncher on Wednesday 4th September 12:40
That quote from sniffpetrol doesn’t ring true to me. Anyone that has driven an M3/4 up a challenging road at anywhere above 7/10ths surely can attest to that. To say it all comes apart just isn’t true. It has tremendous grip, tonnes of brutal power and great brakes (until you warp them because I’ll admit they are made of chocolate). I don’t think it sounds bad at all personally especially when you’re pushing it so that old record about the “fartyness” doesn’t apply out of town because at 7000rpm under load it makes a very different noise. Sure the steering needs a bit of work but to say it’s a posers car is utter nonsense - they’re a bloody fast car by any measure and the turbo shove works very well on the road where often there isn’t the space to wind up a screamer.
Julian Thompson said:
That quote from sniffpetrol doesn’t ring true to me. Anyone that has driven an M3/4 up a challenging road at anywhere above 7/10ths surely can attest to that. To say it all comes apart just isn’t true. It has tremendous grip, tonnes of brutal power and great brakes (until you warp them because I’ll admit they are made of chocolate). I don’t think it sounds bad at all personally especially when you’re pushing it so that old record about the “fartyness” doesn’t apply out of town because at 7000rpm under load it makes a very different noise. Sure the steering needs a bit of work but to say it’s a posers car is utter nonsense - they’re a bloody fast car by any measure and the turbo shove works very well on the road where often there isn’t the space to wind up a screamer.
Agreed, The M140i/35i might come apart but not a full M car and the speeds in which it does come apart is ridiculous as nobody will push one that hard, if they do, they’ll take measures to sort those things. Even if it is a posers car, what’s the big deal, if someone can afford to buy one, he can do whatever he likes with it, it’s his. M car ownership isn’t a privilege or something that has to be earned!
Julian Thompson said:
That quote from sniffpetrol doesn’t ring true to me. Anyone that has driven an M3/4 up a challenging road at anywhere above 7/10ths surely can attest to that. To say it all comes apart just isn’t true. It has tremendous grip, tonnes of brutal power and great brakes (until you warp them because I’ll admit they are made of chocolate). I don’t think it sounds bad at all personally especially when you’re pushing it so that old record about the “fartyness” doesn’t apply out of town because at 7000rpm under load it makes a very different noise. Sure the steering needs a bit of work but to say it’s a posers car is utter nonsense - they’re a bloody fast car by any measure and the turbo shove works very well on the road where often there isn’t the space to wind up a screamer.
It was written about the pre LCI car.Hmmm - I had one of those before my Comp one. It was arguably more exciting and definitely for enthusiasts! The comp one has softer power delivery, better traction and is generally more grown up. Do miss the old “buckeroo” ST65WXL though - no idea where that is now but probably through a hedge backwards
nunpuncher said:
Chestrockwell said:
Do you think that’s how the people who managed to buy the cars through said finance feel?
I really don’t understand why people don’t like it when very special product’s are available to everyone, it’s as if they only want it for themselves which isn’t a good mentality.
The M4, a car from your beloved M Range is a car driven for fun, it’s a performance car that looks menacing and bought for one purpose, fun. Why should the brand being eroded or diluted if everybody can afford one, you must buy one or like one because it makes people think you’re rich, otherwise you wouldn’t care if everybody owns one!
Would it be better if I said "IMO"? I think you've got it the wrong way round. They used to be bought PURELY by folk who cared about driving.I really don’t understand why people don’t like it when very special product’s are available to everyone, it’s as if they only want it for themselves which isn’t a good mentality.
The M4, a car from your beloved M Range is a car driven for fun, it’s a performance car that looks menacing and bought for one purpose, fun. Why should the brand being eroded or diluted if everybody can afford one, you must buy one or like one because it makes people think you’re rich, otherwise you wouldn’t care if everybody owns one!
Sniff Petrol summed it up well back in 2014 and I fear this situation has only got worse given the rate BMW have knocked them out at.
"While watching another roster of s
t pricks machine gunning Sralan Sugar with bullst I was filled with a sudden sadness about the BMW. I used to think the M3, especially the saloon, was a car for people who knew their stuff. But I’m a bit worried that it would also appeal to contestants on The Apprentice. In other words, people who think they’re alpha males but are in fact transparently tttish chancers. ""It’s hard to escape the feeling that, where once M3s were cars for people who really cared about driving, this is a car set up for people who think they care but will never seek out a nice road and give the car a good airing nor really venture far from town. As such, it’s designed to look, sound and feel superficially hardcore to punters who will never drive it in a hardcore way. Because if you do, it all starts to come apart. As such, it’s hard not to feel that the M in the new M3 stands for ‘marketing’."
Edited by nunpuncher on Wednesday 4th September 12:40
Court_S said:
Doesn’t that ring true for all of the halo cars? There is an element of M, RS and AMG cars being bought be people who just want the poshest version rather than actually being interested in the car itself. But I guess that rings true for a lot of expensive cars.
I'd say that's a fair statement.The M, RS, AMG tend to be top of the range, which is what certain buyers want. The fact they're fast is a bonus, but certainly not the main factor.
These are easily maintained production cars. Step up to the supercars and ownership is completely different.
IainR said:
M2 Competition. Manual. M Performance alcantara steering wheel with the flashing LED lights that tell you when to change gear. That’s the 2019 M3 to have (imho).
Shame it looks so tall/thin, and those arches are full on daft.M cars have gone from muscular discretion to a bit Halfords these days.
aeropilot said:
Welshbeef said:
IainR said:
M2 Competition. Manual. M Performance alcantara steering wheel with the flashing LED lights that tell you when to change gear. That’s the 2019 M3 to have (imho).
That’s a 1M successor not a 3/4 M car is it. I reckon bmw will actually struggle to shift 75 of those in the uk if they are £100k.
take one look at how many pre reg or demonstrator m4cs that are sitting at dealers for early £60k which were officially £92k. They have got the price all wrong on these or they are costing too much to build (and I doubt its this reason).
take one look at how many pre reg or demonstrator m4cs that are sitting at dealers for early £60k which were officially £92k. They have got the price all wrong on these or they are costing too much to build (and I doubt its this reason).
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