RE: Ferrari F8 Tributo | Driven
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Wow - that dry weight is quite an achievement for a standard series Ferrari, with presumably the same comforts as the 488, 458, 430 etc. I'd still rather have an n/a engine with less power though... Are the turbos there just to give us power unusable on the public road? Anyone who loves track driving who can afford this car will have a dedicated track car as well, so it's not like track days are where you use that power.
sdiggle said:
If I could be bothered I'd post an image of the 355, 360 and 430 to illustrate what 3 completely different looking Ferrari's look like.But I can't.
Lazy design Ferrari!!
Ho Lee Kau said:
Dan, you should compare it to the car you bought, the Alpine.
I am sure Ferrari is great, but that is 200k and for only a select few (most of whom will be trust fund kids one way or the other, old money).
What would be interesting is to read about how it compares to driver cars that people not born with the silver spoon in their mouths can buy, like Alpine.
(I am not jealous, it anyone thinks of writing a stupid retort like that.)
Denies that he is jealous - needlessly mentions the class privilege of owners I am sure Ferrari is great, but that is 200k and for only a select few (most of whom will be trust fund kids one way or the other, old money).
What would be interesting is to read about how it compares to driver cars that people not born with the silver spoon in their mouths can buy, like Alpine.
(I am not jealous, it anyone thinks of writing a stupid retort like that.)
The Alpine has a four cylinder engine so no thanks. Obvious troll is obvious. Try harder
DeltonaS said:
Ferrari doing a McLaren,
Soullessly copying and technically improving the previous model every 4 years.
Its worked for Apple, Porsche and tech firms for years.....Soullessly copying and technically improving the previous model every 4 years.
Why spend all that time, money and effort on a clean sheet design only to make marginal improvements when your existing platform can be improved to the same extent at a fraction of the cost?
Ho Lee Kau said:
Dan, you should compare it to the car you bought, the Alpine.
I am sure Ferrari is great, but that is 200k and for only a select few (most of whom will be trust fund kids one way or the other, old money).
What would be interesting is to read about how it compares to driver cars that people not born with the silver spoon in their mouths can buy, like Alpine.
(I am not jealous, it anyone thinks of writing a stupid retort like that.)
Maybe not jealous but you can be accused of lazy stereotyping of certain car owners.I am sure Ferrari is great, but that is 200k and for only a select few (most of whom will be trust fund kids one way or the other, old money).
What would be interesting is to read about how it compares to driver cars that people not born with the silver spoon in their mouths can buy, like Alpine.
(I am not jealous, it anyone thinks of writing a stupid retort like that.)
Having just come back from Universo Ferrari at Fiorano, I had the pleasure of meeting several fairly typical Ferrari owners:
Five self-made businessmen from rough parts of three Midlands cities, age range 34 - 63.
One self-made businessman from the roughest part of Liverpool age 50s.
One surgeon from Greater London age 40s.
One self-made property owner from West London whose mother grew up in a mud hut in India, age late 20s.
And one self-made businessman from Lincolnshire in his 70s.
No silver spoons or Trust Funds .....
No doubt a very impressive machine but, from a styling perspective, I think it's the weakest in the lineage. There was something really clean, fuss-free and stylish about the 458. The 488 added a bit more aggression, but was just on the right side of the line, while I think this looks a bit fussy and over-styled somehow.
I'm still deeply old fashioned too. The whole "zero lag" thing doesn't do much for me. While I don't want a hopelessly unresponsive lag monster, I want the car to feel turbocharged, to feel that surge as the boost builds. A turbo motor will never rev like a normally aspirated one and, by trying to make them feel the same, we usually just end up in some kind of weird middle ground, where it doesn't have much personality. It would be interesting to try something like this from that point of view.
I'm still deeply old fashioned too. The whole "zero lag" thing doesn't do much for me. While I don't want a hopelessly unresponsive lag monster, I want the car to feel turbocharged, to feel that surge as the boost builds. A turbo motor will never rev like a normally aspirated one and, by trying to make them feel the same, we usually just end up in some kind of weird middle ground, where it doesn't have much personality. It would be interesting to try something like this from that point of view.
Jex said:
I like the 4 exhaust exits on the earlier cars, e.g. 308 to 430. Perhaps I am just old-fashioned (and apparently insecure!).
I wouldn't worry about it. People on here have weird issues when it comes to tailpipes. They need to get out more for the most part.An absolute gorgeous piece of kit, but are Ferrari now playing catch up? I mean this car will probably be as quick in a straight line and round a track as the 2 year old 720S, which I would imagine is about to be replaced by an updated car which will move the goalposts away from Ferrari again....
For me however, I do think this and the Pista are betting looking cars with more "I want one" desire attached than a 720S. I say that as a McLaren fan.....
RobM77 said:
Wow - that dry weight is quite an achievement for a standard series Ferrari, with presumably the same comforts as the 488, 458, 430 etc.
Are you being serious? 1330kg dry according to Ferrari means a car with pretty much every single weight saving option thrown at it, possibly even cf wheels. The average customer car is going to be in excess of 1500kg, like both the 488 and the 458 before. I grant you 1500 ish kg isn't awfully heavy (compared to the F12/812 at 1700) but it's not particularly impressive either imo.WCZ said:
greenarrow said:
An absolute gorgeous piece of kit, but are Ferrari now playing catch up? .
their only competitor is lambo, the ferrari badge means more than anything and they are very smart at what they doI agree that they are very smart but this new car couldn't be a more obvious response to the 720s if they had called it the McTributo!
Cacatous said:
As capable as these machines are, how about a 400hp lightweight model? Even that would stretch the limits of what's legal on the road but you'd be able to enjoy more of its engine and capabilities.
Are these cars getting too powerful to enjoy?
This +1!Are these cars getting too powerful to enjoy?
Watching the Smoking Tires 812 Superfast review last night and I kept thinking the Japanese were onto something with their 280hp gentlemans agreement.
I get that manufacturers are in it to make money, but the specs and pricing just seems to have run a bit awry. Who needs and can use this kind of performance on the road? It seems it's just a coy play to con the wealthy out of their money so they can "one up" their peers.
Who here would rather see the return of a smaller displacement, high revving V12 manual gearbox with approximately 400bhp? With the right gearing it will be plenty fast enough and still be enjoyable responsibly on the road. I'd rather the manufacturers offer the rich to pay a premium for a genuine exotic true light weight chassis as an option rather than just playing the horsepower game.
Regards
MrwReckless said:
Cacatous said:
As capable as these machines are, how about a 400hp lightweight model? Even that would stretch the limits of what's legal on the road but you'd be able to enjoy more of its engine and capabilities.
Are these cars getting too powerful to enjoy?
This +1!Are these cars getting too powerful to enjoy?
Watching the Smoking Tires 812 Superfast review last night and I kept thinking the Japanese were onto something with their 280hp gentlemans agreement.
I get that manufacturers are in it to make money, but the specs and pricing just seems to have run a bit awry. Who needs and can use this kind of performance on the road? It seems it's just a coy play to con the wealthy out of their money so they can "one up" their peers.
Who here would rather see the return of a smaller displacement, high revving V12 manual gearbox with approximately 400bhp? With the right gearing it will be plenty fast enough and still be enjoyable responsibly on the road. I'd rather the manufacturers offer the rich to pay a premium for a genuine exotic true light weight chassis as an option rather than just playing the horsepower game.
Regards
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