RE: Ferrari F8 Tributo | Driven

[Ho Lee Kau]

GranCab said:

If you don't like it don't buy it.

There are plenty of other choices out there, new and used, for those who want manual gearboxes, light weight, more this and less that ...

We live in a free country and, at present, there are relatively few restrictions on new cars.

Anyone proposing a horsepower limit on new cars must live in Islington, have a beard, wear sandals and ride a pushbike ...

Each to their own eh ?

812 - now THAT is a beautiful car.
I love it, this would be my Ferrari.

Edited by Ho Lee Kau on Friday 6th September 18:27

[Ho Lee Kau]

Rawwr said:

WCZ said:

I think 300hp/ton is the sweet spot

First time anyone's said that on here

naaaa, Aprilia RSV4 X
165kg dry (WSBK bikes have to be 168kg at all times during the race)
225 horses

[BlackPrince]

Ho Lee Kau said:

naaaa, Aprilia RSV4 X
165kg dry (WSBK bikes have to be 168kg at all times during the race)
225 horses

Why not a Panigale V4R which weighs about the same but has 10 more horses then (with the full Akra) if we're playing top trumps?

And who TF cares how someone made their money or not? All of us have been granted privileges to one degree or another, its just a matter of how one uses it

[easytiger123]

Ho Lee Kau said:

Thank you for a mature answer, unlike the two other idiots above.

I do not deny there are self-made men/women. Good for them! I know some.

I am convinced though that most people that can afford these kind of cars had some kind of silver spoon: "trust money", family connections one way or the other (=getting in on a good position with great pay and moving on up the ladder with support), family business (= starting to work for family business at a high position and moving on up the ladder with support / getting into other businesses with support, for example on boards of directors). I know many more like that.

First million is the hardest...unless you get a tailwind.

Convinced based on what kind of evidence? Firstly, even if your 'conviction' is correct, so what? If I'd won the birth lottery and had family money you can bet your bottom dollar I'd enjoy my good fortune.

Secondly, it runs contrary to my own experience in just about every single instance. Every Lambo and Ferrari owner I know with one exception, made it themselves from nothing. That doesn't mean they were brought up in some kind of ludicrous Four Yorkshiremen type of environment, but that they (like me) had zero money left to them or given to them and took the 'advantage' of a stable, loving upbringing even though there wasn't much money and made something of their lives to the point that they could afford those sort of cars.

I really am genuinely bamboozled by why you have such a jaundiced and wholly incorrect opinion about the kind of people who own these cars, and more importantly why it makes the slightest bit of difference to you.

[67Dino]

easytiger123 said:

Ho Lee Kau said:

I do not deny there are self-made men/women. Good for them! I know some.

I am convinced though that most people that can afford these kind of cars had some kind of silver spoon...

First million is the hardest...unless you get a tailwind.

Convinced based on what kind of evidence?
...
I really am genuinely bamboozled by why you have such a jaundiced and wholly incorrect opinion about the kind of people who own these cars, and more importantly why it makes the slightest bit of difference to you.

Don’t forget ‘luck’. Working with start-ups, you meet many smart, seriously hard working entrepreneurs working on great businesses that just don’t take off. The ones that do are not always the obvious ones either (or seed investing would be a lot easier than it is!).

Only a small percent make enough to buy an F8 Tributo, and aswell as skill and hard work, there’s often a lot of luck involved (right people/place/time). In my experience, successful entrepreneurs are often just those who kept at it long after most would have given up, raising the odds of an eventual success.

[Jex]

easytiger123 said:

Secondly, it runs contrary to my own experience in just about every single instance. Every Lambo and Ferrari owner I know with one exception, made it themselves from nothing. That doesn't mean they were brought up in some kind of ludicrous Four Yorkshiremen type of environment, but that they (like me) had zero money left to them or given to them and took the 'advantage' of a stable, loving upbringing even though there wasn't much money and made something of their lives to the point that they could afford those sort of cars.

That has been my experience too. Nearly all of the Ferrari owners that I know have started their own businesses and grown them to the extent that they eventually have enough money to be able to afford things they probably only dreamed of when they were younger.

[GordonF430]

is it just me that thinks the relatively short model life is due to yet another manufacturer taking advantage of the madness in car prices in the last few years?

With social media driving the frenzy to have the next latest and greatest, and speculators in the mix, they are all cashing in on it.

I'm sure its an awesome car, but not sure I want the hurdles of dealing with Ferrari dealers anymore.

Hoping the new team in my local can change my mind, but didn't jump at the chance to have one of the first of these due to dissapointments on promised Pista.

[tuono]

..as I have immediately thought when the car was launched..
The answer is: this car exists because the 720s kicked the 488 really hard in the painful parts and made the F12 look like a dinosaur.
F8 Tributo is a tribute to the McLaren 720s.

[WCZ]

tuono said:

..as I have immediately thought when the car was launched..
The answer is: this car exists because the 720s kicked the 488 really hard in the painful parts and made the F12 look like a dinosaur.
F8 Tributo is a tribute to the McLaren 720s.

meh, ferraris are selling as well as ever and the owners haven't lost £150k in 12 months

[neil1jnr]

MrwReckless said:

Cacatous said:

As capable as these machines are, how about a 400hp lightweight model? Even that would stretch the limits of what's legal on the road but you'd be able to enjoy more of its engine and capabilities.

Are these cars getting too powerful to enjoy?

This +1!

Watching the Smoking Tires 812 Superfast review last night and I kept thinking the Japanese were onto something with their 280hp gentlemans agreement.

I get that manufacturers are in it to make money, but the specs and pricing just seems to have run a bit awry. Who needs and can use this kind of performance on the road? It seems it's just a coy play to con the wealthy out of their money so they can "one up" their peers.

Who here would rather see the return of a smaller displacement, high revving V12 manual gearbox with approximately 400bhp? With the right gearing it will be plenty fast enough and still be enjoyable responsibly on the road. I'd rather the manufacturers offer the rich to pay a premium for a genuine exotic true light weight chassis as an option rather than just playing the horsepower game.

Regards

Not me. There are lighter cars with approx that power; Lotus Exige for example. Whether it's 400bhp or 800bhp, both can be enjoyed on the road. You already have a choice.

Watch the Autocar review of the F8 Tributo, he can't stop laughing at times when driving the thing and there only seeems to be praise.

[FerrariGuy007]

Ho Lee Kau said:

Thank you for a mature answer, unlike the two other idiots above.

I do not deny there are self-made men/women. Good for them! I know some.

I am convinced though that most people that can afford these kind of cars had some kind of silver spoon: "trust money", family connections one way or the other (=getting in on a good position with great pay and moving on up the ladder with support), family business (= starting to work for family business at a high position and moving on up the ladder with support / getting into other businesses with support, for example on boards of directors). I know many more like that.

First million is the hardest...unless you get a tailwind.

Nah it’s call saving. Not too popular but I’ve been doing this for over 20 years and just living in a crap tenement and eating fast food so I can finally drive a Lambo. But it’s sad because ppl will always think like you and hate and so do stupid stuff to my car and I end up paying like crazy just to replace the parts. Sad world we live in because not too many ppl are willing to sacrifice and save but like to hate and vandalize ppl’s hard earned stuff.