RE: Porsche Taycan | Official reveal!
Discussion
Big GT said:
Augustus Windsock said:
ntiz said:
That’s both my Tesla’s getting replaced then.
To answer some of the questions of why is this better. Obviously this is just guessing:
Better built. Not hard achieve I grant you.
Better to drive. Tesla although not bad aren’t great either. Brakes and steering are pretty poor for the money. Having driven a Cayenne and Panamera recently I would expect this to be pretty impressive to drive.
Performance. I had to get some where in a hurry the other day in my Tesla had yellow triangles and the power halved within 10 mins of 90+ plus driving. Porsche have made it very clear and proven that there’s won’t be having that issue.
Range. 280 miles doesn’t look great it will depend how it does them. If it can 280 miles on the motorway at 90 that would be a step forward. If it loses a big chunk will be disappointing. I do believe the 2 speed rear axle is there to facilitate better range at speed. Time will tell.
Charging network. This is where I see the biggest problem if it’s not reliable or not enough chapters will ruin the car. For me at least. I use the Tesla network weekly. It is absolutely brilliant Porsche have to match it. I hope they do.
Just my opinion/hopes and expectations.
Perhaps you’d get more range if you stuck to the speed limit instead of thinking it’s ok to hoof up the motorway at 90?To answer some of the questions of why is this better. Obviously this is just guessing:
Better built. Not hard achieve I grant you.
Better to drive. Tesla although not bad aren’t great either. Brakes and steering are pretty poor for the money. Having driven a Cayenne and Panamera recently I would expect this to be pretty impressive to drive.
Performance. I had to get some where in a hurry the other day in my Tesla had yellow triangles and the power halved within 10 mins of 90+ plus driving. Porsche have made it very clear and proven that there’s won’t be having that issue.
Range. 280 miles doesn’t look great it will depend how it does them. If it can 280 miles on the motorway at 90 that would be a step forward. If it loses a big chunk will be disappointing. I do believe the 2 speed rear axle is there to facilitate better range at speed. Time will tell.
Charging network. This is where I see the biggest problem if it’s not reliable or not enough chapters will ruin the car. For me at least. I use the Tesla network weekly. It is absolutely brilliant Porsche have to match it. I hope they do.
Just my opinion/hopes and expectations.
Could say a lot about that but I’ve seen to many ‘life-altering’ or indeed ‘life-ending’ rtc’s causes by excess speed.
Anyhoo, I’ll pick up on the charging issue, as I alluded to, I wonder what Porsche recommend about charging?
Will repeated charges when the car is nearly empty of electrickety shorten battery life, or charging when there’s still 50% range left?
Only asking as I’m currently watching ‘Dave’ where the 3 amigos EVs and Clarkson ponders just the same issue.
I'm not going to even bother on your other point.
Never understood why people boast about driving 90+. Personally I’d raise the motorway speed limit to 90 but when you are claiming to have a speed differential of 20+mph you deserve what is coming to you.
Clown.
Edited by Augustus Windsock on Wednesday 4th September 21:51
Edited by Augustus Windsock on Wednesday 4th September 21:55
Big GT said:
Augustus Windsock said:
ntiz said:
That’s both my Tesla’s getting replaced then.
To answer some of the questions of why is this better. Obviously this is just guessing:
Better built. Not hard achieve I grant you.
Better to drive. Tesla although not bad aren’t great either. Brakes and steering are pretty poor for the money. Having driven a Cayenne and Panamera recently I would expect this to be pretty impressive to drive.
Performance. I had to get some where in a hurry the other day in my Tesla had yellow triangles and the power halved within 10 mins of 90+ plus driving. Porsche have made it very clear and proven that there’s won’t be having that issue.
Range. 280 miles doesn’t look great it will depend how it does them. If it can 280 miles on the motorway at 90 that would be a step forward. If it loses a big chunk will be disappointing. I do believe the 2 speed rear axle is there to facilitate better range at speed. Time will tell.
Charging network. This is where I see the biggest problem if it’s not reliable or not enough chapters will ruin the car. For me at least. I use the Tesla network weekly. It is absolutely brilliant Porsche have to match it. I hope they do.
Just my opinion/hopes and expectations.
Perhaps you’d get more range if you stuck to the speed limit instead of thinking it’s ok to hoof up the motorway at 90?To answer some of the questions of why is this better. Obviously this is just guessing:
Better built. Not hard achieve I grant you.
Better to drive. Tesla although not bad aren’t great either. Brakes and steering are pretty poor for the money. Having driven a Cayenne and Panamera recently I would expect this to be pretty impressive to drive.
Performance. I had to get some where in a hurry the other day in my Tesla had yellow triangles and the power halved within 10 mins of 90+ plus driving. Porsche have made it very clear and proven that there’s won’t be having that issue.
Range. 280 miles doesn’t look great it will depend how it does them. If it can 280 miles on the motorway at 90 that would be a step forward. If it loses a big chunk will be disappointing. I do believe the 2 speed rear axle is there to facilitate better range at speed. Time will tell.
Charging network. This is where I see the biggest problem if it’s not reliable or not enough chapters will ruin the car. For me at least. I use the Tesla network weekly. It is absolutely brilliant Porsche have to match it. I hope they do.
Just my opinion/hopes and expectations.
Could say a lot about that but I’ve seen to many ‘life-altering’ or indeed ‘life-ending’ rtc’s causes by excess speed.
Anyhoo, I’ll pick up on the charging issue, as I alluded to, I wonder what Porsche recommend about charging?
Will repeated charges when the car is nearly empty of electrickety shorten battery life, or charging when there’s still 50% range left?
Only asking as I’m currently watching ‘Dave’ where the 3 amigos EVs and Clarkson ponders just the same issue.
I'm not going to even bother on your other point.
Those talking about the 'Turbo' branding don't seem to have noticed that every 911 you can buy currently (excl. GT3) is Turbo-charged and yet only the non-GT flagships are badged 'Turbo'. I think badging the different Taycan models like EV, EV-S, EV-RS would have just been confusing to people.
I want to see a bit more on the rear seat space, it looks like it is more of a 2+2.5 rather than a full on family car. I think it looks cool, more like a 4-door 911 and certainly better resolved than the Panamera. The front reminds me of the McLaren Speedtail with those droopy vents under the headlights though.
I want to see a bit more on the rear seat space, it looks like it is more of a 2+2.5 rather than a full on family car. I think it looks cool, more like a 4-door 911 and certainly better resolved than the Panamera. The front reminds me of the McLaren Speedtail with those droopy vents under the headlights though.
Turbo label is hilarious.
Weight is depressing.
Looks like a panamera.
The price is nuts.
A rich mans vehicle.
A big GT car that you will struggle to do big miles in for a road trip . You are gonna have range anxiety still.
How many for UK p.a? 1500 ? So an irrelevance in the scheme of things.
Weight is depressing.
Looks like a panamera.
The price is nuts.
A rich mans vehicle.
A big GT car that you will struggle to do big miles in for a road trip . You are gonna have range anxiety still.
How many for UK p.a? 1500 ? So an irrelevance in the scheme of things.
The back 1/2 looks far more resolved than the front 1/2.
The interior looks positively dangerous with all those touch screens. In a car where battery life and range are key, why fill it with unnecessary power swapping screens and cpu’s where buttons could do the job more efficiently? I just don’t get it. Maybe I’m getting old but I don’t want to watch screens while I’m driving, I would far prefer to watch the road.
Until the car industry standardises on a single charge socket that can then be deployed to all motorway services, filling stations, car parks etc I’m out. The thought of queueing for hours to access the only suitable charge socket for miles does not appeal.
The interior looks positively dangerous with all those touch screens. In a car where battery life and range are key, why fill it with unnecessary power swapping screens and cpu’s where buttons could do the job more efficiently? I just don’t get it. Maybe I’m getting old but I don’t want to watch screens while I’m driving, I would far prefer to watch the road.
Until the car industry standardises on a single charge socket that can then be deployed to all motorway services, filling stations, car parks etc I’m out. The thought of queueing for hours to access the only suitable charge socket for miles does not appeal.
ducnick said:
In a car where battery life and range are key, why fill it with unnecessary power swapping screens and cpu’s
Because its easier to customize and change and the screens use up bugger all power relative to actually driving.ducnick said:
Until the car industry standardises on a single charge socket
They have. The CCS type 2 combo.mstrbkr said:
That's not what the article implies though. That's batteries in a centre tunnel; it is not two gaps in the entire floor to create foot wells! I suspect it's just badly written.
It’s no batteries under the rear passenger feet so give them a sensible posture and headroom. Good images around on google. They literally have taken modules out in the J1 platform the e tron GT will useEdited by JonnyVTEC on Wednesday 4th September 23:41
Augustus Windsock said:
Big GT said:
Augustus Windsock said:
ntiz said:
That’s both my Tesla’s getting replaced then.
To answer some of the questions of why is this better. Obviously this is just guessing:
Better built. Not hard achieve I grant you.
Better to drive. Tesla although not bad aren’t great either. Brakes and steering are pretty poor for the money. Having driven a Cayenne and Panamera recently I would expect this to be pretty impressive to drive.
Performance. I had to get some where in a hurry the other day in my Tesla had yellow triangles and the power halved within 10 mins of 90+ plus driving. Porsche have made it very clear and proven that there’s won’t be having that issue.
Range. 280 miles doesn’t look great it will depend how it does them. If it can 280 miles on the motorway at 90 that would be a step forward. If it loses a big chunk will be disappointing. I do believe the 2 speed rear axle is there to facilitate better range at speed. Time will tell.
Charging network. This is where I see the biggest problem if it’s not reliable or not enough chapters will ruin the car. For me at least. I use the Tesla network weekly. It is absolutely brilliant Porsche have to match it. I hope they do.
Just my opinion/hopes and expectations.
Perhaps you’d get more range if you stuck to the speed limit instead of thinking it’s ok to hoof up the motorway at 90?To answer some of the questions of why is this better. Obviously this is just guessing:
Better built. Not hard achieve I grant you.
Better to drive. Tesla although not bad aren’t great either. Brakes and steering are pretty poor for the money. Having driven a Cayenne and Panamera recently I would expect this to be pretty impressive to drive.
Performance. I had to get some where in a hurry the other day in my Tesla had yellow triangles and the power halved within 10 mins of 90+ plus driving. Porsche have made it very clear and proven that there’s won’t be having that issue.
Range. 280 miles doesn’t look great it will depend how it does them. If it can 280 miles on the motorway at 90 that would be a step forward. If it loses a big chunk will be disappointing. I do believe the 2 speed rear axle is there to facilitate better range at speed. Time will tell.
Charging network. This is where I see the biggest problem if it’s not reliable or not enough chapters will ruin the car. For me at least. I use the Tesla network weekly. It is absolutely brilliant Porsche have to match it. I hope they do.
Just my opinion/hopes and expectations.
Could say a lot about that but I’ve seen to many ‘life-altering’ or indeed ‘life-ending’ rtc’s causes by excess speed.
Anyhoo, I’ll pick up on the charging issue, as I alluded to, I wonder what Porsche recommend about charging?
Will repeated charges when the car is nearly empty of electrickety shorten battery life, or charging when there’s still 50% range left?
Only asking as I’m currently watching ‘Dave’ where the 3 amigos EVs and Clarkson ponders just the same issue.
I'm not going to even bother on your other point.
Never understood why people boast about driving 90+. Personally I’d raise the motorway speed limit to 90 but when you are claiming to have a speed differential of 20+mph you deserve what is coming to you.
Clown.
Edited by Augustus Windsock on Wednesday 4th September 21:51
Edited by Augustus Windsock on Wednesday 4th September 21:55
Been driving the way I do for 10 years no points and one accident so far that was hitting a deer at 30. I travel through Germany regularly as well.
Why getting so aggressive? There are loads of threads on here of guys discussing how fast there cars are and comparing. Is everyone on here with a Lotus, Porsche, Ferrari etc on here a clown?
So which is the production front end?
This fairly inoffensive one:
Or this Monstrosity?
Either way it’s irrelevant as it won’t be able to do my weekly on-a-whim schlep from London to Edinburgh without a lengthy stop for a charge along the way. So its completely pointless and might as well not exist.
This fairly inoffensive one:
Or this Monstrosity?
Either way it’s irrelevant as it won’t be able to do my weekly on-a-whim schlep from London to Edinburgh without a lengthy stop for a charge along the way. So its completely pointless and might as well not exist.
t out of a release. herebebeasties said:
But I do wish people would stop pretending that you can go 800 miles in them as easily as a petrol car, especially in the UK.
And I do wish people stop pretending 800 mile trips in the UK is a regular occurrence.We have the smallest battery Model X Tesla sold, and have done 28k in 2 years with no worries about range or charging mid trip.
Infact am so unbothered by range for the last 7K miles the cars been running on massive 22inch wheels which drops the Mway range to 180 miles.
You right on a 800 mile trip in the UK we will have to stop and charge lots.....but I cannot remeber when I last did a 800 mile road trip in the UK.
The Turbo pricing of the Taycan is a bit nuts, but if Porsche releases a RWD non-S version for £70k its becomes a very very interesting car for us.
RWD is what I want next in our car, the AWD system in our X is far too good and removes any need for skill to drive quickly, the AWD Taycan will be the same. 200 mile range is more than enough for us.
We were promised that traditional auto manufacturers are just waiting out Tesla to see if the electric car things catch on and then we will start seeing them manufacture them by the thousands.
In reality we are 7 years on from the Tesla model s launch and we have this effort which is slower, less efficient and more expensive
In reality we are 7 years on from the Tesla model s launch and we have this effort which is slower, less efficient and more expensive
Pistonheads said:
. It takes five minutes to go from empty to 62 miles-worth of range, or, if you've only a regular 50kW charger to hand, 1.5 hours to brim it. The Turbo S is set to have near identical charge times, with its range rated at 257 miles. Those stats are inevitably only possible when the charging hardware is supplied with its maximum of 270kW, the figure provided by Porsche's home charging docks.
Are those figures right? I’m not sure my domestic supply could cope!Aren’t current domestic chargers an order of magnitude below those?
Edited by LooneyTunes on Thursday 5th September 06:14
ducnick said:
On a domestic supply how long does it take to charge from 20% to full then?
Assuming I plug it in at 8pm can I get out of the house for work at 6:30 am ?
It’s very simple you look at the amount to be charged and divide it by the kWh rating of the charger so if you need a 30 kw charge that would be 10 hours on a 3 pin 3kwh domestic plug or 4.2 hours on a 7kw 32amp domestic chargerAssuming I plug it in at 8pm can I get out of the house for work at 6:30 am ?
As a rough guide, bat temp affects charging and there are losses, and charging slows as you get near 100%
You can also get faster home charging by having 3 phase installed but for most people a 7kw charger will ensure a full charge over night
Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Thursday 5th September 07:22
jamoor said:
We were promised that traditional auto manufacturers are just waiting out Tesla to see if the electric car things catch on and then we will start seeing them manufacture them by the thousands.
In reality we are 7 years on from the Tesla model s launch and we have this effort which is slower, less efficient and more expensive
Slower in that it has a higher 0-60 time except the Taycan can do its repeatedly and the Tesla can’t...and then when it comes to handling cornering the Tesla won’t see which was the Taycan went. More expensive to buy but I bet you it’ll be cheaper to own. In reality we are 7 years on from the Tesla model s launch and we have this effort which is slower, less efficient and more expensive
Cheib said:
Slower in that it has a higher 0-60 time except the Taycan can do its repeatedly and the Tesla can’t...and then when it comes to handling cornering the Tesla won’t see which was the Taycan went. More expensive to buy but I bet you it’ll be cheaper to own.
But it has a shorter range with a similar sized battery pack....And nobody does 0-60 repeatedly, ever unless they are on a track.
Top speed you can just about do but there is literally nowhere to do repeated 0-60 launches on a road car. It's like they wasted their time on that one
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