RE: Porsche Taycan | Official reveal!
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Dave Hedgehog said:
It’s very simple you look at the amount to be charged and divide it by the kWh rating of the charger so if you need a 30 kw charge that would be 10 hours on a 3 pin 3kwh domestic plug or 4.2 hours on a 7kw 32amp domestic charger
As a rough guide, bat temp affects charging and there are losses, and charging slows as you get near 100%
You can also get faster home charging by having 3 phase installed but for most people a 7kw charger will ensure a full charge over night
Nobody will have 3 phase at home. It's for industrial onlyAs a rough guide, bat temp affects charging and there are losses, and charging slows as you get near 100%
You can also get faster home charging by having 3 phase installed but for most people a 7kw charger will ensure a full charge over night
Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Thursday 5th September 07:22
jamoor said:
We were promised that traditional auto manufacturers are just waiting out Tesla to see if the electric car things catch on and then we will start seeing them manufacture them by the thousands.
In reality we are 7 years on from the Tesla model s launch and we have this effort which is slower, less efficient and more expensive
The taycan is a superior performance ev to Tesla in everyday use having none of the temp issues after repeated use or SoC performance drop and no need to prep the battery for an hour to get the best performance it also does not have the old fashioned Tesla infotainment with 2005 2D sat navIn reality we are 7 years on from the Tesla model s launch and we have this effort which is slower, less efficient and more expensive
It takes time to develop EVs and 2020 is really the first year when main stream manufacturers are starting to enter the market with cars like the ID3 and Cora’s EV, by 2022 the market should have matured to offer a lot more choice.
Tesla has caught the whole car industry with their pants down and it took them time to wake up to this. Big oil certainly had no influence on car manufacturers resisting the change to EV either
Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Thursday 5th September 07:39
gangzoom said:
And I do wish people stop pretending 800 mile trips in the UK is a regular occurrence.
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You right on a 800 mile trip in the UK we will have to stop and charge lots.....but I cannot remeber when I last did a 800 mile road trip in the UK.
So do I. Neither is helpful.[...]
You right on a 800 mile trip in the UK we will have to stop and charge lots.....but I cannot remeber when I last did a 800 mile road trip in the UK.
The problem really is the infrastructure. I often do 400 mile or more *round* trips, with no decent charging provision at the other end. If you take it on holiday somewhere or to see friends or whatever (especially if you then want to actually use it at the other end, an hour later, say), how is this not a massive pain in the arse?
The issue isn't so much one-shot massive journeys, which few people do often, and which can have a planned break for charging in the middle without that much bother.
The problem is wanting to do independent middle-distance trips, with no chance to plug it in to more than a 13A socket in between. Needing a 40 mins charging break in the middle of a six hour drive is fine for me. Needing it 20 mins into what would otherwise be a two and a half hour trip home is going to get annoying pretty quickly.
Do people who buy these sorts of vehicles insist all their friends install charge points before they can come visit? Or do they spend a lot of time in motorway service stations on the way home, but never talk about that? Or do they all have a second car for such trips? Genuinely curious.
If the infrastructure and charge speeds improve so that's 15 mins then way less annoying. Not there yet, though, and that is a _massive_ undertaking.
abzmike said:
Lots of want here, and I’m not even a diehard Porsche fan. Couple of comments - the lights front and back look unnecessarily big and plasticky, some silly detail inserts on the steering wheel... and why Turbo? It’s like the turbo button on an old PC that no one ever turned off.
The turbo button on an old PC was to limit the clock speed so legacy software that assumed a given clock speed could be run. 
dvs_dave said:
So which is the production front end?
This fairly inoffensive one:
Or this Monstrosity?
Either way it’s irrelevant as it won’t be able to do my weekly on-a-whim schlep from London to Edinburgh without a lengthy stop for a charge along the way. So its completely pointless and might as well not exist.
The bottom one is the production version This fairly inoffensive one:
Or this Monstrosity?
Either way it’s irrelevant as it won’t be able to do my weekly on-a-whim schlep from London to Edinburgh without a lengthy stop for a charge along the way. So its completely pointless and might as well not exist.
herebebeasties said:
gangzoom said:
And I do wish people stop pretending 800 mile trips in the UK is a regular occurrence.
[...]
You right on a 800 mile trip in the UK we will have to stop and charge lots.....but I cannot remeber when I last did a 800 mile road trip in the UK.
So do I. Neither is helpful.[...]
You right on a 800 mile trip in the UK we will have to stop and charge lots.....but I cannot remeber when I last did a 800 mile road trip in the UK.
The problem really is the infrastructure. I often do 400 mile or more *round* trips, with no decent charging provision at the other end. If you take it on holiday somewhere or to see friends or whatever (especially if you then want to actually use it at the other end, an hour later, say), how is this not a massive pain in the arse?
The issue isn't so much one-shot massive journeys, which few people do often, and which can have a planned break for charging in the middle without that much bother.
The problem is wanting to do independent middle-distance trips, with no chance to plug it in to more than a 13A socket in between. Needing a 40 mins charging break in the middle of a six hour drive is fine for me. Needing it 20 mins into what would otherwise be a two and a half hour trip home is going to get annoying pretty quickly.
Do people who buy these sorts of vehicles insist all their friends install charge points before they can come visit? Or do they spend a lot of time in motorway service stations on the way home, but never talk about that? Or do they all have a second car for such trips? Genuinely curious.
If the infrastructure and charge speeds improve so that's 15 mins then way less annoying. Not there yet, though, and that is a _massive_ undertaking.
I regularly have meetings in Manchester, North Wales, Southampton etc. That mean going and coming back. I used to find what happens is you need a charge to get there and back which doesn’t look to bad, but then you realise the chargers aren’t quite in the right place so you need a third to be able to make sure you can get to your destination then get back to the charger. That can add 3 hours to a journey add in having to go 30 mins off of your planned route to get to the charger can add a lot of time to trips where you really just want to get there and get back.
Before I got my Range Rover and have my Tesla to my wife for the last year I was borrowing my Dads Bentley to do those trips.
Going to see family was always a bit awkward having to beg to have a cable out the window. Lots of jokes about my big flash car but can’t afford to fill it up.
Lots of Tesla owners either have a spare car to long trips in which seems mental to me when you have spent 80k on a car that you a basically having to admit isn’t good enough. Or have the patience of monks.
Personally it wore thin for me quite quickly. I find a lot of Tesla owners simply will never admit there is any limitations on there cars.
RacerMike said:
You could go most places in the Uk on a single charge, and there are hundreds of high power 350kW Ionity chargers all over Europe already that will charge this to 80% from 5% in 20mins.
To put it into perspective, I drove from the ‘Ring to Stuttgart in an I Pace recently. I stopped once for a piss near Frankfurt at a 100kW charger. It took my 30s to start charging, 15mins to go into McDonalds, use their facilities and get a coffee for me and my colleague. I then walked outside to the car with said coffee, waited for 5 mins as my colleague was queuing in a line of cars at the petrol station to refuel our hire car and then took it off charge. In that time, the car had done from 40% to 69%. I needed a total of 30% for the rest of my journey.
Travelling distances with a modern EV really isn’t very taxing.
That’s a poor example mate. To put it into perspective, I drove from the ‘Ring to Stuttgart in an I Pace recently. I stopped once for a piss near Frankfurt at a 100kW charger. It took my 30s to start charging, 15mins to go into McDonalds, use their facilities and get a coffee for me and my colleague. I then walked outside to the car with said coffee, waited for 5 mins as my colleague was queuing in a line of cars at the petrol station to refuel our hire car and then took it off charge. In that time, the car had done from 40% to 69%. I needed a total of 30% for the rest of my journey.
Travelling distances with a modern EV really isn’t very taxing.
You state it will charge 75% in 20 minutes by giving an example of where it charges 29% in the same time.
Like most things battery related lots of figures are based on perfect conditions/lies.
I know what that is. I do know I want it. If you are looking for handsome, I can tell you that's not bad. But what it does have is a very particular set of skills, skills Porsche have acquired over a very long history, skills that make it a nightmare for competitors like Tesla. I don't have the money now, so that'll be the end of it. I won't look for one. I won't pursue one. But if I did, I would look for one, I would find one, and I would buy one.
Taycan.
Taycan.
Top model has 750bhp and Porsche promising that after 8 years it will have 70% or 525bhp at least. That's still some drop off though. So 3rd or 4th owner will have reduced performance and then potentially big battery replacement bill I guess.
Could make them cheap to buy though around that time.
Could make them cheap to buy though around that time.
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