RE: Porsche Taycan | Official reveal!
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BaronVonVaderham said:
Ask yourself this; what is the purpose of this vehicle? Why does it exist?
Is it a better vehicle than the petrol equivalent in any tangible way?
No.
It exists so that a producer of products with a high environmental impact can show that they ‘care’ about the environment. Purchasers will be driven by the same reason, it improves their ‘green’ credentials.
Ironically the environmental impact of this with its 650kg of batteries when viewed in totality is probably no better than the equivalent petrol engined Panamera.
Hence my comment that this is automotive virtue signalling.
EVs do have a place as small city cars and the like, but a 2.3 tonne GT that can only manage 280miles if tickled along at 60mph is utterly f
king pointless.hyphen said:
BaronVonVaderham said:
Ask yourself this; what is the purpose of this vehicle? Why does it exist?
Is it a better vehicle than the petrol equivalent in any tangible way?
No.
It exists so that a producer of products with a high environmental impact can show that they ‘care’ about the environment. Purchasers will be driven by the same reason, it improves their ‘green’ credentials.
Ironically the environmental impact of this with its 650kg of batteries when viewed in totality is probably no better than the equivalent petrol engined Panamera.
Hence my comment that this is automotive virtue signalling.
EVs do have a place as small city cars and the like, but a 2.3 tonne GT that can only manage 280miles if tickled along at 60mph is utterly f
king pointless.u9ge said:
Have just seen chatter that Rossberg may take an updated Model S around the next week, seems a lot of doubt whether they can do a hot lap but i'm not sure this was part of Porsche's marketing plan.
Hah - like it's going to be a untouched model s.Suspect the battery will be melted by the end if it means musk can tweet something
ads_green said:
Hah - like it's going to be a untouched model s.
Suspect the battery will be melted by the end if it means musk can tweet something
will be interesting to see what they can do, the S is generally regarded as a bit of barge and not as well setup as the M3, there are several vids of the S drastically reducing power when the bats get hot after sustained use. I wonder if the raven upgrade will help or maybe they can code a track mode like the M3P which does not have a heat problem on track.Suspect the battery will be melted by the end if it means musk can tweet something
anonymous said:
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I-Pace is the best car in the Jag range in my opinion, and the Model 3 is a lot of fun. Considerably better to drive than a current 3 series which is very very average.And I strongly suspect the Porsche will be a fantastic car to drive given the mass distribution of an EV mixed with the driving attributes of a Porsche.
ads_green said:
u9ge said:
Have just seen chatter that Rossberg may take an updated Model S around the next week, seems a lot of doubt whether they can do a hot lap but i'm not sure this was part of Porsche's marketing plan.
Hah - like it's going to be a untouched model s.Suspect the battery will be melted by the end if it means musk can tweet something
RacerMike said:
A model S is down to about 70% power by the end of Hatzenbach and is considerably slower over a lap than an I Pace so it’s going to take a very non standard Model S to get even within a minute of the Taycan time
I do like the way Porsche merely stated the lap time with a YouTube video.Tesla took the chance and turned it into a PR stunt with an F1 driver for publicity.
Many thanks for the responses to my little rant, some were excellent, one was particularly daft.
To those that would suggest that BEVs are the ‘future’ and that any who disagree must be luddites, allow me to remind you that the electric car predates the ICE car by some years, and evs had very little development until now, as burning hydrocarbons was simply better and more efficient. All that’s changed now is the regulatory environment is now in favour of EVs as the climate is now the in vogue topic.
Secondly, once we have cracked micro-scale fusion reactors that can power a vehicle in effective perpetuity, then I will happily never touch another drop of VPower.
Until then, I will not bow to some Orwellian half truth that battery electric vehicles are in any way a solution for anything.
To those that would suggest that BEVs are the ‘future’ and that any who disagree must be luddites, allow me to remind you that the electric car predates the ICE car by some years, and evs had very little development until now, as burning hydrocarbons was simply better and more efficient. All that’s changed now is the regulatory environment is now in favour of EVs as the climate is now the in vogue topic.
Secondly, once we have cracked micro-scale fusion reactors that can power a vehicle in effective perpetuity, then I will happily never touch another drop of VPower.
Until then, I will not bow to some Orwellian half truth that battery electric vehicles are in any way a solution for anything.
BaronVonVaderham said:
Many thanks for the responses to my little rant, some were excellent, one was particularly daft.
To those that would suggest that BEVs are the ‘future’ and that any who disagree must be luddites, allow me to remind you that the electric car predates the ICE car by some years, and evs had very little development until now, as burning hydrocarbons was simply better and more efficient. All that’s changed now is the regulatory environment is now in favour of EVs as the climate is now the in vogue topic.
Secondly, once we have cracked micro-scale fusion reactors that can power a vehicle in effective perpetuity, then I will happily never touch another drop of VPower.
Until then, I will not bow to some Orwellian half truth that battery electric vehicles are in any way a solution for anything.
Well they're a start surely?To those that would suggest that BEVs are the ‘future’ and that any who disagree must be luddites, allow me to remind you that the electric car predates the ICE car by some years, and evs had very little development until now, as burning hydrocarbons was simply better and more efficient. All that’s changed now is the regulatory environment is now in favour of EVs as the climate is now the in vogue topic.
Secondly, once we have cracked micro-scale fusion reactors that can power a vehicle in effective perpetuity, then I will happily never touch another drop of VPower.
Until then, I will not bow to some Orwellian half truth that battery electric vehicles are in any way a solution for anything.
The electricity can come from one of several ways whereas petrol can only come from one place.
BaronVonVaderham said:
Many thanks for the responses to my little rant, some were excellent, one was particularly daft.
To those that would suggest that BEVs are the ‘future’ and that any who disagree must be luddites, allow me to remind you that the electric car predates the ICE car by some years, and evs had very little development until now, as burning hydrocarbons was simply better and more efficient. All that’s changed now is the regulatory environment is now in favour of EVs as the climate is now the in vogue topic.
Secondly, once we have cracked micro-scale fusion reactors that can power a vehicle in effective perpetuity, then I will happily never touch another drop of VPower.
Until then, I will not bow to some Orwellian half truth that battery electric vehicles are in any way a solution for anything.
what a load of cobblers, giving a certain irony to the "Orwellian half truth" line.....To those that would suggest that BEVs are the ‘future’ and that any who disagree must be luddites, allow me to remind you that the electric car predates the ICE car by some years, and evs had very little development until now, as burning hydrocarbons was simply better and more efficient. All that’s changed now is the regulatory environment is now in favour of EVs as the climate is now the in vogue topic.
Secondly, once we have cracked micro-scale fusion reactors that can power a vehicle in effective perpetuity, then I will happily never touch another drop of VPower.
Until then, I will not bow to some Orwellian half truth that battery electric vehicles are in any way a solution for anything.
RobDickinson said:
Micro scale fusion reactors 
Yes dear.https://physicsworld.com/a/physicists-spot-the-sig...
BaronVonVaderham said:
RobDickinson said:
Micro scale fusion reactors
Yes dear.https://physicsworld.com/a/physicists-spot-the-sig...
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