RE: Land Rover Defender walkaround | Frankfurt 2019

RE: Land Rover Defender walkaround | Frankfurt 2019

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techguyone

1,392 posts

87 months

Tuesday 10th September
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I wonder if the D5 will just quietly disappear.

JLR really need to rework their ranges, so much overlap it's got to be self cannibalising.

ogrodz

85 posts

65 months

Tuesday 10th September
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Astacus said:
ogrodz said:


The Rivian is going to blow this - and every other pickup/4WD - out of the water.
Nope, well, at least not in the UK. Its aimed squarely at the US market where this type of pick up rides a very buoyant market. In this country that shape and size is a niche. For builders who don't want to get their truck scratched.
My point is more towards the "innovative" leap that the Rivian represents.
5 seater go anywhere, tow anything, carry anything (almost) electric 4wd utility vehicle that accelerates 0-60 in 3 secs, has a range of 400 miles and storage space front and back (oh and on top and through the middle - behind the rear seats).

When the Defender was first launched - it did all of that in spades for its time. I had hoped after waiting so long for this new Defender model, that landrover might have taken the next innovative leap forward. Instead, they have remoulded a Discovery to conform to current legislation. They could have done so much more in my humble opinion...


The Moose

18,513 posts

154 months

Tuesday 10th September
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Yes yes yes, it all looks very nice.

Do we really trust that Land Rover can build a vehicle (that works) with a bazillion ECUs etc?

smartypants

41,156 posts

114 months

Tuesday 10th September
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The Moose said:
Yes yes yes, it all looks very nice.

Do we really trust that Land Rover can build a vehicle (that works) with a bazillion ECUs etc?
Nope, not on your life. Just ensure you have a warranty smile

They still haven't managed to make the adaptive suspension work reliably in 10 years of development, so that should be fun too. Still worth it though!


iain-9v450

2 posts

4 months

Tuesday 10th September
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Sorry to be the party pooper here but I just don't get it. There's no doubt that the new Defender is good looking and I'm sure it's excellent off road but isn't that missing a huge part of the point of the original car? I've had a couple of new defenders over the years and the joy of them was their practicality, hoseable interiors, repairability and the fact it was a working vehicle designed to do a job. I totally agree with those that have said this would make a fantastic discovery or cheaper G-Wagen but a replacement for the spirit of the defender it is not. I can't see zoo's, electricity board, military or police queuing up to replace their current defenders. I await Projekct Grenadier with interest....

LostCockney

9 posts

8 months

Tuesday 10th September
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Very impressed and worth the wait . The only downside is that it won't be built in the UK

NomduJour

14,493 posts

204 months

Tuesday 10th September
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iain-9v450 said:
I can't see zoo's... queuing up to replace their current defenders
I cannot believe they’ve abandoned the zoo market.

ogrodz

85 posts

65 months

Tuesday 10th September
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NomduJour said:
iain-9v450 said:
I can't see zoo's... queuing up to replace their current defenders
I cannot believe they’ve abandoned the zoo market.
Its the elephant in the room...

ZX10R NIN

15,096 posts

70 months

Tuesday 10th September
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I have to say that it looks smart.

theredbaron

1,162 posts

150 months

Tuesday 10th September
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LOOKS GREAT !

DoubleTime

1,342 posts

87 months

Tuesday 10th September
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Yes looks great. Registered interest.

simon-tigjs

32 posts

42 months

Tuesday 10th September
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Well thats killed the Disco 5 overnight.. thank god for that. This is what it should have been to separate it away from being the worlds ugliest pastiche Range Rover
Given that the raise in car standards over the years has been astronomic I suspect this is nothing short of a bit of genius. Carpets and mats, massive towing capacity, lots of built in options via packs. You watch how many urban buyers will kit up a winch and a snorkel in case it rains on the way to Tescos. Its the next evoke on a massive waiting list, rock solid residuals for leasing and PCP deals will be cheap and Devon will be full of them every summer holiday. The true working requirement these days is well fulfilled a pick up and the original 90 will always be a loved and cherished icon of its time.

skyrover

12,224 posts

149 months

Tuesday 10th September
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No thanks smile

The Vambo

3,752 posts

86 months

Tuesday 10th September
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Should you consolidate your Defender threads?

If you are struggling to keep up with multiple Defender threads, consolidating your threads could help you take back control. Here is how it works and when you should do it.



What is thread consolidation?
It is where you put all identical threads into one easy to manage thread, normally to reduce confusion or to make it less fking annoying.

Motormatt

218 posts

163 months

Tuesday 10th September
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simon-tigjs said:
Well thats killed the Disco 5 overnight.. thank god for that.
My thoughts exactly, where does this leave the Disco? A quick play on the configurator shows a base spec Disco D240 is only a couple of grand cheaper than a basic Defender 110 D240 with 7 seats, both over £50k

Given the new Defender has been developed with good road manners in mind, it should be just as useable as a Disco everyday. You've got to wonder who would choose a Disco over a Defender now?



DoctorX

4,493 posts

112 months

Tuesday 10th September
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Is this a 300 bhp free zone?

I bloody love it.

smartypants

41,156 posts

114 months

Tuesday 10th September
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Motormatt said:
My thoughts exactly, where does this leave the Disco? A quick play on the configurator shows a base spec Disco D240 is only a couple of grand cheaper than a basic Defender 110 D240 with 7 seats, both over £50k

Given the new Defender has been developed with good road manners in mind, it should be just as useable as a Disco everyday. You've got to wonder who would choose a Disco over a Defender now?

I wouldn't have chosen the current Disco over a second hand Disco 4!


Jonny TVR

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2,593 posts

226 months

Tuesday 10th September
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There are very thin lines between each models positioning. I guess the discovery is supposed to be a bit more luxury but where does that leave the Velar?

London335igb

5 posts

40 months

Tuesday 10th September
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Overall like it, and would probably buy one 1-2yrs down the road... BUT why did they have to go and place what looks like a random square painted body panel in the middle of the rear 3/4 side glass!!! That is one detail that almost ruins the design imho. I hope there is a genuine reason for it.. might make me feel a bit better if I can excuse it.

Edited by London335igb on Tuesday 10th September 17:09

MC Bodge

11,281 posts

120 months

Tuesday 10th September
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What vehicle do/will HM Forces be using in place of the old Defender?

I assume that most people in need of an off road utility vehicle for work use a Japanese pickup truck these days.